does pokemon have the same problems as yugioh with cheating

[ilikegengar]

Cheating? I see it at league sometimes with the juniors. Occasionally we have someone that stacks their deck. We always go over rules at league telling our kids to cut or shuffle their opponents deck, but sometimes a more experienced player will pull a fast one on a new player. I've battled kids before that say, "I've already shuffled", and I'm sure they haven't stacked their deck, but I tell them the rule that they must shuffle in front of their opponent and keep their cards where they can be seen.

As for cheating amongst older, more experienced players, I hope the penalties stay strict. Even in trades you can have cheating. We league leaders must approve all trades. It's our rule.

Be honest. Stay honest. Thank you.

 

[Magic_Umbreon]

Judging by how many people have been caught is completly invalid criteria. If anything it shows one card game has more players who are better at cheating and not caught.

 

[SteveP]

I once had a conversation with a TO who runs many events in a varity of games. He claimed he has seen excessive amounts of cheating, and so he watches and judges with "suspicious eyes," something that I suppose is necessary, but can become a bit extreme.

I'm sure cheating happens. I occasionally have my suspitions while judging. Stacking is such an easy thing to catch, and anyone who does it is a fool.

This morning on GMA (Good Morning America), they had a self-proclaimed gambling cheater. It was "sad" to see how he boasted about his ability to cheat and not get caught (he even wrote a book about how to cheat at gambling).

I hope that anyone who admits he/she has cheated will be reported to POP so we can monitor those players, hoping to catch them and ban them for a very long time.

 

[zman22674]

Glad to hear it.
I was basing it on the "suspended for a couple of weeks" comment from the original poster.

Pop,
That is not what the original post said. It did not say "suspended for a couple weeks". It said "banned in the next few weeks". I read that as the player will be banned from events and the punishment will start in the next few weeks. That post did not say how long the "ban" will be. I think you misread how it was written. As a judge in UDE, I have access to all of the suspended list and some people on there are suspended from ALL UDE games all the way until 2016. UDE does take cheating and unsporting conduct very seriously. I know, my role as a TO and judge, I put up with no cheating. If a player was found cheating, they were DQ. I had to DQ 2 players who made it to a final cut in our local tourney who mistakenly had more than 1 card that was restricted to 1 in their deck. They didn't mean to do it, but if it was not the final cut, they would've probably only been given a match loss, but since it was final cut, they were DQ.

I know this is a Pokemon board and respect that and as I said before, I play Pokemon mainly now and I have not even played Yu-Gi-Oh competitively in over 4 years. I used to be one of the top ranked players in the southeast. However, I got tired of the cutthroat tactics and cockiness of players. However, as I have seen in Pokemon, it is no different. There are cheaters in Pokemon and cutthroat players in it. I play it for fun and a lot of our local players have turned me off to the game competitively also. Especially the way some judges in our local shops talk to some of the Master Division players. So, to sum it up, cheaters are in every game, no matter what game it is.

Z

 

[Regis_Neo]

Have you ever been to a Pokemon Regional or National championship or Worlds? We have plenty valuable prizes to win AND more people have a chance to win them since we have 3 age divisions.

Pokemon players are trained from day1 to cut your opponents deck or even shuffle it themselves if they want before a match starts.

Sounds like Yugi players set themselves up to be cheated by not protecting themselves from such shennagins.

Funny enough, I actually haven't been to either Regionals, Nationals, or Worlds, but I read up on their prizes, don't worry.

But hey, let's compare the prizes then, shall we, for Nationals Top 16 and up last year:

Pokemon:

1st Place
* A Pokémon TCG National Championships First-Place Trophy
* An invitation to the 2008 Pokémon TCG World Championships
* A Travel Award for the winner (and parent or legal guardian for players under 18) to the 2008 World Championships
* A scholarship award worth $5000. Click here for scholarship details and restrictions
* A Nintendo Wii Game Console
* A combination of 72 booster packs from the current Pokémon TCG expansions
* Other great Pokémon-themed merchandise!

2nd Place
* A Pokémon TCG National Championships Second-Place Trophy
* An invitation to the 2008 Pokémon TCG World Championships
* A Travel Award for the winner (and parent or legal guardian for players under 18) to the 2008 World Championships
* A scholarship award worth $3000. Click here for scholarship details and restrictions
* A Nintendo Wii Game Console
* A combination of 72 booster packs from current Pokémon TCG expansions
* Other great Pokémon-themed merchandise!

3rd Place
* A Pokémon TCG National Championships Third-Place Trophy
* An invitation to the 2008 Pokémon TCG World Championships
* A Travel Award for the winner (and parent or legal guardian for players under 18) to the 2008 World Championships
* A scholarship award worth $1500. Click here for scholarship details and restrictions.
* A Nintendo Wii Game Console
* A combination of 36 booster packs from current Pokémon TCG expansions
* Other great Pokémon-themed merchandise!

4th Place
* An invitation to the 2008 Pokémon TCG World Championships
* A Travel Award for the winner (and parent or legal guardian for players under 18) to the 2008 World Championships
* A scholarship award worth $1500. Click here for scholarship details and restrictions.
* A Nintendo Wii Game Console
* A combination of 36 booster packs from current Pokémon TCG expansions
* Other great Pokémon-themed merchandise!

5th through 8th Place
* An invitation to the 2008 Pokémon TCG World Championships
* A scholarship award worth $750. Click here for scholarship details and restrictions
* A combination of 36 booster packs from current Pokémon TCG expansions

9th through 16th Place
* A combination of 18 booster packs from current Pokémon TCG expansions

Yu-Gi-Oh:

1st Place Travel and accommodations to Yu-Gi-Oh! TRADING CARD GAME World Championships held in Berlin, Germany. High-end laptop computer, a complete set of Light of Destruction , $1,500 Best Buy gift card, Playstation 3, a magnificent trophy, and a booster box of the most current Yu-Gi-Oh! TRADING CARD GAME product.

2nd Place Travel and accommodations to Yu-Gi-Oh! TRADING CARD GAME World Championships held in Berlin, Germany. High-end laptop computer, 32GB iPod Touch, Playstation 3, a magnificent trophy, and a booster box of the most current Yu-Gi-Oh! TRADING CARD GAME product.

3rd-4th Place Travel and accommodations to Yu-Gi-Oh! TRADING CARD GAME World Championships held in Berlin, Germany. $500 Best Buy gift card, Playstation 3, 160GB iPod Classic, a magnificent trophy, and a booster box of the most current Yu-Gi-Oh! TRADING CARD GAME product.

5th-8th Place Playstation 3, digital camera, 8GB iPod Nano, a magnificent trophy, and a booster box of the most current Yu-Gi-Oh! TRADING CARD GAME product.

9th-16th Place 8GB iPod Nano and a booster box of the most current Yu-Gi-Oh! TRADING CARD GAME product.

I'll be honest, for 1st-4th Place, it's a bit of a toss-up. Yes, the scholarship is worth more, but put simply, if you're not planning on going to college or anything, it's a bit worthless since there isn't a cash value I think. For YGO, there's more "direct" value (ie, you can spend/use it immediately), whereas with Pokemon, especially if you're the Senior or Junio Champ, there isn't as much direct value since you're waiting anywhere from 4-10 years to use any scholarship you get through PUI.

Now once you get down to 5th-8th, it's more or less equal in terms of cash value. Again, there's that whole scholarship thing, but w/e. And once you get down to 9th-16th, well, I'd definitely be more inclined to go to YGO then.

So overall, I still see it being more "worth" your time to cheat at YGO rather than Pokemon (disclaimer, I do not advocate cheating in any TCG). I mean, their Shonen Jump tourneys also offer some pretty nice prizes if you're up in the top 16, and at each of the top events, they do give you cards that are playable (unlike a certain promo that's been around each year at Worlds for how long now?). And unlike scholarships, you can more easily sell off any prizes you get. Now, don't get me wrong or anything, personally I'm fine with cheaters being in YGO, keeps them out of Pokemon, lol.

 

[Professor Elm]

Honestly, I would think it would be a lot harder to cheat in this game anyway.

In Yu-Gi-Oh you have tons of broken cards, and topdecks are much more crucial to game play.
In Pokemon you have enough recursion and draw power to where you very rarely need to topdeck a certain card.

Also, in my experience, Pokemon players are just all around more friendly than Yu-Gi-Oh players, and the environment is much more chill. That's part of the reason I recently quit Yu-Gi-Oh

 

[the_sniper]

Cheating at Pokemon is like cheating at golf- the only person your cheating is yourself.

Think about it.

 

[PokePop]

Pop,
That is not what the original post said. It did not say "suspended for a couple weeks". It said "banned in the next few weeks". I read that as the player will be banned from events and the punishment will start in the next few weeks. That post did not say how long the "ban" will be. I think you misread how it was written.

Possible.
The original post has been edited, so it's hard to tell now, but I did read it as saying 'for a couple of weeks". Maybe I misread it. In any event, that was where my "slap on the wrist" comment came from.

 

[yoyofsho16]

Possible.
The original post has been edited, so it's hard to tell now, but I did read it as saying 'for a couple of weeks". Maybe I misread it. In any event, that was where my "slap on the wrist" comment came from.

That is how I read it as well. Whoever posted this thread should clear this up.

 

[The Knee]

It is true. I come from the Yu-gi-oh Community. I left it because of a combonation of 500$+decks, an unbalanced metagame(You guys compalined about GG? Gladiator beasts dominated 2 formats in Yugioh.) and, of course cheaters. Not just the ordinary cheaters either. You have rulesharks of all kinds, deck stackers, thiefs(Oh so many thiefs, go to a regional, leave something alone for a minute, i dare you.) The only thing i liked better about yugioh was the judges, and thats just because i was good friends with most of them.

 

[XYZ_Sniper]

^ I guess we have a decent community since i can leave MOST of my stuff and wont get stolen. Yes cheating happens in Pokemon but on a lesser occasion then yugioh. Are you refering to Adam Corn cheating anyways =/?

 

[Crosplat]

Cheaters in anything are pathetic, either get some skill or go home.

The reason I do not respect YGO players is because of their attitude. Yeah dude, dropping $2000 on pieces of cardboard makes you really cool and gives you every right to act like you are God's gift to mankind. The most common phrase I have used around YGO players is "grow up."

 

[Hatter™]

I say when they ask about pokemon deck costs and if there are any cheap ones... "I won with a $15 deck, you entered a YGO regional with a $1000 deck and didn't make top cut"

 

[zman22674]

Cheaters in anything are pathetic, either get some skill or go home.

The reason I do not respect YGO players is because of their attitude. Yeah dude, dropping $2000 on pieces of cardboard makes you really cool and gives you every right to act like you are God's gift to mankind. The most common phrase I have used around YGO players is "grow up."

These are the type of comments that make me and a bunch of friends not want to play any card game. Why bash another TCG or say you do not respect players that play another TCG? I will say the same thing here that I have said in other TCG forums when I see bashing of other games, if you have nothing nice to say, then you shouldn't say anything at all. This was a simple post asking about cheating and if it happens also in Pokemon. Bashing players who play other games or say you have no respect for them is negative and counter-productive. Not all players who play YGO, or any other TCG game have the same attitudes and it is an irresponsible thing to say that they all have attitude. I know many, many YGO players that are very respectful and have great attitudes. I also know some are not so great. I can say the same thing about players in Pokemon, Naruto, WoW, Magic, even DuelMasters when it was active and the list goes on. You meet all kinds of people with all kinds of attitude, good and bad. However, to say you do not respect all players of that game because of their attitude is not a very "grown up" thing to do, don't you think? If you like Pokemon TCG better, so be it and that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but negativity and stereotyping of the players of another game shouldn't have a place on any forum board, here or UDE boards and I have voiced my opposition when someone there bashes other TCG players. There is one thing that YGO, Pokemon, Magic, WoW, Naruto, etc. all have in common. They are all TCG games and players of one game should not be so negative to players of another game or stereotyping players of another game.

Sorry for my rant, but it really does strike a nerve with me to see negativity towards a group of people when the reason is such a stereotype. I repeat, NOT all YGO players have bad attitudes and I have met a good share of bad attitude Pokemon players as well as those who cheat. That comes with any TCG or any gathering of so many different people with different backgrounds. Try not to be so negative about players, in general, of another group or TCG. That makes you look like you have the same type of attitude you speak of. Try to respect other's choices to play a wide range of games and respect other's choices and opinions without sterotyping.

Getting off soapbox now.

Z

 

[baby mario]

YGO players are more tempted to stack their decks for two reasons.

1. A lot of decks work by getting a certain combination of cards and going for a OTKO or even a FTKO, so they clump together the cards for their combo.

2. YGO has much less draw and search than Pokemon. If POV was printed as a YGO card, it would be a $200 Secret Rare and would be banned next format. Pot of Greed is exactly the same as Mom's Kindness and while we think Mom's Kindness is rubbish, Pot of Greed has been banned in YGO for years because it is 'broken'. When you can't search or draw through your deck for the cards you need, you get a big advantage by stacking.

 

[BJJ763]

But hey, let's compare the prizes then, shall we, for Nationals Top 16 and up last year:

Pokemon:

You forgot to mention that Pokémon's prizes are X3. I believe that YGO is only 1X.

And i like YGO as all the players i would not want in Pokémon are there. :thumb:

 

[The Gorn]

Didn't we have someone (don't remember who - don't think they even play anymore) cheat at Worlds in San Diego (2004?) (had cards under his leg or something)?

 

[homeofmew]

when you think your opponent is cheating say something right then and there.

Recently some baboons accused me of cheating by stacking my deck or something like that. (Mainly because I played AMU and started out with one of the pixies [almost]every time) [supposedly I started off with Uxie mind off one game and I only run one of those and someone was like I cheated cause I only run 1? but it is still in my deck, and my opponent did cut.] (and people don't understand probability.) And they are like ya I cut Tina's deck.

There were some people complaining about my mostly Japanese AMU deck, and I do agree if you are not familiar with pokemon pixies can look alike. There was this one guy who lost who got like everything out and was short 1 energy (and one turn [from winning]) and still complained he lost. The only reason he lost was due to the energies he put on claydol and he said he knew what deep balance did I even told him um k are u sure u wanna attach energies because of deep balance? he's like yeah because of palkia's restructure. He also flipped tails with a d20 and complained about it.

there should be a rule that completely bans d20s, for one reason they are too easy to manipulate. Even though a d6 one side is all evens and one side is all odds, depending from the view point, this is much easier to see on a d20.

I'm still quite taken back that the guy basically called over a judge because he got tails. yeah like he's gonna re flip just cause he got tails. sheesh. /rant\

edit.

if anyone would like to comment/ or bash me on this go ahead, i don't care. But I have never had my opponent basically complain the way they flip (in match then ask a judge about it).

Now I'll give it to him it did land on a card but it wasn't at any angle.

I went and flipped 14 heads with my dice or so at Mutant draft and my opponent never said a thing. Then out of fun I dice check my dice, judge flipped tails tails heads. judge was like ok dice lol. I would love to play this person again in the future they were a greatr sport watching me get 14-15 heads in a row lol...

And this guy complains one 1 tails that HE flipped with HIS dice.

 

[soxrcol]

lol @ 15 heads in a row.

Nah, I personaly havent seen any direct "cheating". Ive seen people misunderstand the card or the rules on special conditions and stuff, but not so much stacking, cards up sleeves that kind of stuff.

 

[the_sniper]

when you think your opponent is cheating say something right then and there.

Recently some baboons accused me of cheating by stacking my deck or something like that. (Mainly because I played AMU and started out with one of the pixies [almost]every time) [supposedly I started off with Uxie mind off one game and I only run one of those and someone was like I cheated cause I only run 1? but it is still in my deck, and my opponent did cut.] (and people don't understand probability.) And they are like ya I cut Tina's deck.

There were some people complaining about my mostly Japanese AMU deck, and I do agree if you are not familiar with pokemon pixies can look alike. There was this one guy who lost who got like everything out and was short 1 energy (and one turn [from winning]) and still complained he lost. The only reason he lost was due to the energies he put on claydol and he said he knew what deep balance did I even told him um k are u sure u wanna attach energies because of deep balance? he's like yeah because of palkia's restructure. He also flipped tails with a d20 and complained about it.

there should be a rule that completely bans d20s, for one reason they are too easy to manipulate. Even though a d6 one side is all evens and one side is all odds, depending from the view point, this is much easier to see on a d20.

I'm still quite taken back that the guy basically called over a judge because he got tails. yeah like he's gonna re flip just cause he got tails. sheesh. /rant\

edit.

if anyone would like to comment/ or bash me on this go ahead, i don't care. But I have never had my opponent basically complain the way they flip (in match then ask a judge about it).

Now I'll give it to him it did land on a card but it wasn't at any angle.

I went and flipped 14 heads with my dice or so at Mutant draft and my opponent never said a thing. Then out of fun I dice check my dice, judge flipped tails tails heads. judge was like ok dice lol. I would love to play this person again in the future they were a greatr sport watching me get 14-15 heads in a row lol...

And this guy complains one 1 tails that HE flipped with HIS dice.

I remember our t-16 match at the 06 Texas Regionals at the space center. Do you??

What you did to me was cheating- plain and simple. I'm over it Tina, you got caught, I won the
event, it's all good. But I haven't forgotten either.

Maybe things like what happened there are why people are so quick to accuse you. Maybe not.
Either way I hope you have cleaned up your act at the table.