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Durant and the Spirit of the Game

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vaporeon said:
You do realize that most of us win that way right?
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Unfortunately, you neglected to read my full sentence there before hastily posting.

If you finish my post, I go on to say that, according to a "scrub's" definition of winning Pokemon, that (taking 6 prizes) is the ONLY way to win the game. Deck-outs and Bench clears are not acceptable according to their definition. Hence "cheap" and "against the SOTG" are tossed about by said players. Neither of which are true.
 
You wanna know what makes me laugh?

How everyone is talking about Durant being totally fine, not against SotG (which I totally agree with, legit deck, looks fun, etc.)

Are people forgetting just a few months ago, with all the donking threads on here? About wanting donking to be banned? Donking was just one of the three winning conditions, as is Durant milling.

Throwing that out there.
 
One difference I see, is that with Durant you acutally play a game (someone alluded to this earlier). Where as with Sabledonk and others, there is (consistantly) games where the opponent doesn't play.

Now am I against donking? No. But when the format boils down to Donk or be Donked (play Sableye to have a chance at winning), then the FORMAT needs to be looked at. As mentioned before in anti-Sabledonk threads, some cards were not designed to be played under certain rules. T1 supporters was not even a glimmer when Sableye was written (probably).

Some of the Sabledonk rage was directed (rightly) towards the fact that the card was incompatible with the ruleset that was in place. If T1 supporters had not been instituted, then Sabledonk would never have been an issue.
 
This thread has probably increased the number of people playing Durant. Way to convert people to the cause. I even built the deck myself, and it's so ridic against some match ups (Trainer Lock) and so hilariously bad against others (random, generic fire pokemon who attack).

As creepy/weird/terrifying as someone might find a giant metal ant, it's still awesome. I'd argue that it's against the spirit of the game NOT to have Durant around hassling people.
 
Sandslash7 said:
Now am I against donking? No. But when the format boils down to Donk or be Donked (play Sableye to have a chance at winning), then the FORMAT needs to be looked at.
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Donks still exist in this format, because of the synergy between Shaymin + Pachirisu, Even games last format that were 6 turns, 6 prizes felt like donks. The annoyance I have with donks is more directed at the long established bench out rule. However, that debate pales into comparision to the first turn rules we have.
 
Tl;dr half of the discussion. Either way, is durant legal? Yes. Does it win in a viable outcome(decking)? Yes. Is the player with the bad attitude usually on the other side of the table? Yes. Do they only complain only when you win with it? Of course. That is all the logic that should have to be used for this discussion, no if, ands, or buts about it, it is here, deal with it.
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As much as I hate Durant myself, I would never, ever say Durant was against the spirit of the game. It's winning by one of the conditions: Decking out. It's pretty much end of story. If the Topic Creator ever encounters the person who said "it's against SotG!", I would highly suggest reporting that player to the league leader if you both go to the same leagues or if possible, to a judge that happened to be at the same tournament in which the comment was made.

It's of course, way too late right now to do anything about the comment, but it sets a precident with that player. It just seems they're a really, really sore loser and might need to be kept an eye on.
 
Perhaps I'm the only one who goes "Cool, a deck of killing my own cards."? I mean, it's an epic concept, and I'd much rather get owned by a swarm of metal bugs then a giant fire dragon(Which is banned in the VGC cups lol).

I mean, if a player can pull off the skills to pound a deck with just a bunch of ants, I think they deserve to go to top cut, rather then just Blue Flaring/Lightning Bolting everything in sight until nothing's left. What's broken again? Having a big Samurott/Serperior/any other giant Stage 2 up just to be OHKO'd by a giant electric dragon thing that decided to pick off all your poor little babies first with a net that we call Catcher, or a bunch of ants eating your cards?

I'm thinking that the giant dragons are a TINY bit worse then the ants. But, where's their hate threads? Oh yeah, nonexistant. If you folks love complaining, pick something that is at least borderline slightly bad.

SoTG isn't broken by ants. It's broken by people who can't accept the fact of being beaten up by a swarm of ants. If you really want to counter it, go get a Heatmor. It eats them in-game, maybe that'll help ya out here in the TCG world.
 
I must be missing something here.
How is it even possible a full-on legit deck, that has a couple very bad match ups, focuses on winning just the way a deck should be doing, and succeeds to do so to some extent, but not too far, could be considered against the Spirit of the Game?

Durant would not be against the SotG even if the attack required no energy and consisted of "send your opponent's deck to the Lost Zone."
Yes, the game would be boring, but since it would be the best deck in format, what is stopping you from playing it (or, if it isn't as overpowered as my example, countering it)?
 
BW4 Dark Rush - Heatmor

Heatmor – Fire – HP90
Basic Pokemon

[C] Hot Tongue: 10 damage. If the opponent’s Active Pokemon is Durant, this attack does an additional 50 damage.
[R][C][C] Firebreathing: 50 damage. Flip a coin, if heads this attack does an additional 20 damage.

Weakness: Water (x2)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 1
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Seems like they dont like duraant either xD
 
I haven't been playing long, but that's the biggest hard counter I've seen yet. LOL.
Hitting Durant for 120 with a colorless energy. Love it. Eviolite and Special Metal can't save you now!

The fact the Pokemon is actually an anteater is so epic.
 
Yoshi- said:
BW4 Dark Rush - Heatmor

Heatmor – Fire – HP90
Basic Pokemon

[C] Hot Tongue: 10 damage. If the opponent’s Active Pokemon is Durant, this attack does an additional 50 damage.
[R][C][C] Firebreathing: 50 damage. Flip a coin, if heads this attack does an additional 20 damage.

Weakness: Water (x2)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 1
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Seems like they dont like duraant either xD
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That's funny! It won't stop a well build Durant deck, though.
 
PokePop said:
That's funny! It won't stop a well build Durant deck, though.
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Lol, I can't even imagine a scenario where it doesn't stop durant to be honest. Maybe with tons of crushing hammers or a lucky mill early on...idk. It's still a basic that can can deal 120 raw damage with a single colorless energy straight to the face. it'll be really hard to play around if you're durant.

This definitely won't be the end of durant in competitive play but all durant player's hearts will skip a beat once this card hits the table, guaranteed.
 
Your problem is that you think of a Durant deck as only having Durant in it.
Cobalion is the answer to that card.

OHKO's don't worry me at all when I'm playing Durant. It's things like Kyurem that cause my deck trouble. And not even then if I get a couple of turns to get Cobalion set up.
Two Kyurem set up at the same time are troublesome.
 
PokePop said:
Your problem is that you think of a Durant deck as only having Durant in it.
Cobalion is the answer to that card.

OHKO's don't worry me at all when I'm playing Durant. It's things like Kyurem that cause my deck trouble. And not even then if I get a couple of turns to get Cobalion set up.
Two Kyurem set up at the same time are troublesome.
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Attach a double colorless to that and it can take down Cobalion in a ohko.
 
Honestly, Durant has some tech room sure, but if you run Cobalion, you are gonna suffer the same way you make other decks suffer. Catcher catcher catcher catcher! Cobalion isnt the best answer, there may not even be a best answer! But now is certainly the time to play Durant, before the format shifts to ehavy Zekrom and before this thing comes in to completely tear it apart.
 
Charranitar said:
Attach a double colorless to that and it can take down Cobalion in a ohko.
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Right, but did you need a second Heatmor just now? Because the first one was taking down Durants up until Coballion stepped in and said hi. So which Heatmor is responding to Coballion?

I love the idea of the hard counter, but it would seem decks would tech in one of these at most.
 
Charranitar said:
Attach a double colorless to that and it can take down Cobalion in a ohko.
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Wrong.
Aside from what losjackal said, you will also need a fire and a DCE attached.

Fire decks won't need that card to be teched in. They can already OHKO the ants with a number of the cards they already have. Any 40 damage attack will do for them.
The decks that will tech it in will be non-fire decks. And those are not putting a fire or Rainbow energy card on this thing. They probably won't even have any Fire energy in their deck.
 
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