Fall Regional Prizes Anounced
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Giving extra money for a guardian was already happening. That clearly isn't what is happening in this case, though. They had to know the Masters division would be upset with this decision and it could have all been avoided by giving us equal prizes. I guess our happiness is not worth a petty $22,500 worth of travel allowances to a corporation. I am giving up on this thread. It seems to always be about players vs. Judges/TOs on this board. I don't know how everyone continues to do it, but they are defending something that has the potential to kill the game. I just want you all to think about that. I'm done posting.
z-man
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Wait wait wait. I never implied that you didn't say you wouldn't support this idea. Why can't it happen? What reason is this result better than the theoretical that I provided? It solves most problems that you presented in your posts, it is far less discriminatory and it makes everyone happy. If this happened, the net prize pool would increase. There are always critics/complainers, but we would be more happy with that than being discriminated against in a blindingly obvious fashion.
food for thought: how many minor-aged masters players won travel awards? considering how division winners tend to skew towards the older end of the scale rather than the younger, i'd guess most are not minors...
and, how many of those minors who won travel awards brought an adult-aged friend/player as their 'guardian' rather than a parent?
and, how many of those minors who won travel awards brought an adult-aged friend/player as their 'guardian' rather than a parent?
psychup2034
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The last two winners of Worlds in Masters were both 16...
z-man
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So you're going to deny minors the opportunity to win money based on the fact that they're less likely to win? Who cares -who- is bringing the minor? That guardian still needs a trip to go. The same argument could be made for the guardian of a junior or a senior. The cost is unchanged.
GodBlessAmerica
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In 2011 I won a $300 stipend from winning New York States as a Master. My mom wasn't comfortable with me going alone or with an adult-aged friend so she had to come with me.
psychup2034
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I'm sorry I thought you meant exactly what you wrote. I will try to improve my mind-reading skills next time.
Thank you 'mom for clearing that up.To be honest I think it would say leaps and bounds if it said "T4 Masters- Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner vouchers to be redeemed at the convention center." Now whether it's food from the snack bar or ordered in pizza and such that's up to them. It's small, but it still says "We realize that you guys do add to the game." I won't say it would make things better as people are going to complain "We deserve our full 500 for T4," it would soothe over some wounds of the players affected however. I really think if they did SOMETHING the burns people feel would be less severe.
A Regionals T4 is a major accomplishment regardless of division. That said it is generally considered harder to T4 a Master's regionals. JR/SR got +500 for their 1-4 why not award masters 1-4 with a special promo that has no particular play value, but high collection value. To the right person that card may fetch a price that dents the Master's travel expense be it covering their 1/4 of the hotel for the 4-5 days or meals for those days. Just as an example as there is no point in saying it's easy as we've had the stamped card/special card talk before and most people realize it's not that simple to do it.
No one said life is fair, but imo TPCi has been fair to all divisions, A cut to one is a cut to all three. When it's time to increase it should be the same. I feel if they did the propose 300 for all three 1-4 places you'd hear minimal complaining of the cut (there's always going to be some let's be realistic) saying someone is getting shorted here or there or why not give 1st 500 and 4th 100 than what there is now.
Kudos on being a month early with your announcement of this, but again when you want to shake things up as much as this it would be nice to come with an explanation.
A Regionals T4 is a major accomplishment regardless of division. That said it is generally considered harder to T4 a Master's regionals. JR/SR got +500 for their 1-4 why not award masters 1-4 with a special promo that has no particular play value, but high collection value. To the right person that card may fetch a price that dents the Master's travel expense be it covering their 1/4 of the hotel for the 4-5 days or meals for those days. Just as an example as there is no point in saying it's easy as we've had the stamped card/special card talk before and most people realize it's not that simple to do it.
No one said life is fair, but imo TPCi has been fair to all divisions, A cut to one is a cut to all three. When it's time to increase it should be the same. I feel if they did the propose 300 for all three 1-4 places you'd hear minimal complaining of the cut (there's always going to be some let's be realistic) saying someone is getting shorted here or there or why not give 1st 500 and 4th 100 than what there is now.
Kudos on being a month early with your announcement of this, but again when you want to shake things up as much as this it would be nice to come with an explanation.
Mystery Thing
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Overdramatic much?
This change will ultimately affect 45 players. To say that 1100+ players (remember, two Nationals in play here) will stop playing on the spot because of something that will effect no more than 4% of them is such an overstatement.
z-man
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It will affect more than 45 players. Many of us feel the impact of such changes. Many of us feel disrespected by such changes. Many of us feel discriminated against by such changes. Look at the unique post count against this change on gym. Now look at the other forums. That's over 45 players saying this is a bad idea. Many of us now have negative feelings towards TPCi because of this. The actual money is one thing, but the implications of this change is another. We all feel the weight of this decision whether we make T4 or not.
Mystery Thing
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And I'll try to work on my assuming you could make logical sense of what I was saying. I'll make sure to spell it out from A to Z next time, rather than assuming you can fill in the spaces.
I'm certianly not saying it is...trust me I spent the better part of this week writing my resume and I surely didn't put Pokemon Master anywhere on it. Seniors expecially have a lot of other pressures drawing them away from the game especially since many of them are already nervous about aging up. I think its important for the company to send a positive message.
Honestly Keith I also think its less about the money and more about the message. I am a hardcore fan of P!P and even I am reading this as a "this game is targeted towards the younger players" which comes off as a we care about them more type of thing.
again: were i to GUESS...they saw that many more junior/senior travel stipend winners were declining to attend nationals because it cost too much to claim the $300.
if the 'bang for the buck' they're looking for is to get more junior/senior player families attending nats, this would be more likely to get that result than increasing stipends across all groups.
to be perfectly blunt: masters players will carpool cross-country and sleep 8 in a room to get there. families of young kids won't.
if the 'bang for the buck' they're looking for is to get more junior/senior player families attending nats, this would be more likely to get that result than increasing stipends across all groups.
to be perfectly blunt: masters players will carpool cross-country and sleep 8 in a room to get there. families of young kids won't.
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Mystery Thing
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Perceived effect may be greater, sure. But the actual effect is 45 people. Only the ones who finish 2-4 are actually impacted by it.
My point is that to say it is potentially game-killing is an absurd overgeneralization.
When people were saying in the championship point thread that P!P was making bad decisions and they were running out of patience this was the type of thing they were referring to. At some point one of their decisions will be the straw that broke the camel's back and then there won't be 1100+ players at Nats anymore. Maybe when the top players start leaving the game P!P will finally realize how they've been screwing up for a while now.
Shino Bug Master
Front Page News Editor
It can be said that any average of players in a division have an easier or more difficult time getting to Nationals. Arguements can be made for Masters in college, kids with rich parents, or teens having jobs that cna finance trips while juniors don't.
But this prize distribution is drawing a line in the sand that says "Of the 9 players at each Regionals event who place from 2nd to 4th, 6 of you will reciever 500 dollars worth of extra prize support. The single determining factor being your age: something you have absolutely 0 control over."
I think its safe to call that a complete joke. Why don't we cut to two age groups like Japan and redistribute the prizes accordingly if three age divisions is such a problem to maintain?
But this prize distribution is drawing a line in the sand that says "Of the 9 players at each Regionals event who place from 2nd to 4th, 6 of you will reciever 500 dollars worth of extra prize support. The single determining factor being your age: something you have absolutely 0 control over."
I think its safe to call that a complete joke. Why don't we cut to two age groups like Japan and redistribute the prizes accordingly if three age divisions is such a problem to maintain?
mosherstomper
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i gotta be honest dude youve been pretty hard headed and condescending this entire thread. your a head judge from Canada right? you are aware your talking online to people that are most likely half your age and maturity level right? i never lurk the gym anymore and this is exactly why.
all the points here have been made. on both sides the constant bickering and arguing is going to get nothing but ban hammers and sour grapes. so why not turn this discussion into something else.
1 is there a way to get information FROM P!P as to why they made this decision? like a statement.
2 would there be a way to petition them for some kind of change.
JWittz
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I actually appreciate your attempt to answer my question in a logical manner. It wasn't an easy question.
The biggest problem of TCPi is rearing its ugly head again: communication. We can speculate, yell, and argue all we want, but in the end, all we can do is what 'mom just did: guess as to why. I hate playing a game where the community has no means of reliable communication with the company.
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Mystery Thing
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*shrug* Sure. Quit buying cards. Companies do only care about the almighty dollar, after all. Really, until they see a decline in sales, none of the bean counters will care what anybody says about this.
But keep in mind that if one person drops everything and quits, the ripple will be (relatively) much more noticeable in the OP bucket than the TCG sales bucket. The day that somebody can figure out a way to directly show the impact that OP has on sales will be a glorious day. I'm sure the OP guys would love nothing more than for that to happen.