SaiaSandstorm
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To be honest, I'll probably just stay away from card games entirely.
Fall Regional Prizes Anounced
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To be honest, I'll probably just stay away from card games entirely.
baby mario
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This doesn't affect me personally because Europe has never had that prize support.
But in principle, I dislike anything which treats the age divisions differently. Not because I think Masters are 'owed' by Pokemon, but because I think it should be the same game for everyone.
But in principle, I dislike anything which treats the age divisions differently. Not because I think Masters are 'owed' by Pokemon, but because I think it should be the same game for everyone.
Charizard3712
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I can never understand how people say they "quit this game" but yet they still hound on these websites
losjackal
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I agree that mosherstomper has been trying to have a productive conversation, but it also appears he/she is new to the way things work. In short, the people in charge at P!P do read these forums, even avidly I would presume, so they are definitely seeing this reaction already. Can you petition to change an official announcement they just made? Highly doubtful. The Sableye rotation example is flawed, because people are paid at P!P to pay attention to the health of the format; that decision didn't solely stem from the community's input.
As soon as Domino's Pizza starts holding free-to-attend pizza eating contests throughout the years, and then suddenly starts changing the travel stipends to attend the Nationals tournament, THEN it would be a reasonable analogy.
I think the nature of SDPokemom's comment that has been getting so much flak is this: lots of guesses have been made as to why TPC is doing this, and some are reasonable arguments. But that reasoning doesn't appear to be good enough to suppress the outrage because it's not coming from the source. If TPC echoes the same thing, that suddenly satisfies the crowd? I guess it would JWittz, since that level of communication is simply what he is asking for, but sometimes that is indeed how a corporation must behave. But let's not equally vilify the people in charge of Organized Play, because they do have constraints they must work with, and I guarantee you they do care about us players.
Here's my contribution:
As a the parent of a winning Junior (now Senior), it does cost me more to travel than some Masters, because they frequently split the cost of rides and rooms. I also have to take vacation time from work and board our dogs. Families that make the trip simply have more obligations to take care of then a young adult who is still in school or with part-time job. So I appreciate the travel stipend, if we are fortunate enough to win one. (And it was never two awards, one for player and one for parent...just one award, so yes $500 is more than $300).
Know what hurt more? Taking away the scholarships at the Regional level last year. But I don't remember this level of outrage, I guess because it was taken away from all divisions. The rage seems to come from the "discrimination" against Masters. You can continue to rage about that if you want, or you can accept it as changing rules of the game. The game being in the big picture, how to win the most throughout the season. Two years ago, there was only one Regionals event. This year, there are THREE. That means three of the best Masters in a particular area of the country now have the chance to get a fully-paid trip to Nationals, rather than just the Top 2 from two years ago. Isn't that better overall?
As soon as Domino's Pizza starts holding free-to-attend pizza eating contests throughout the years, and then suddenly starts changing the travel stipends to attend the Nationals tournament, THEN it would be a reasonable analogy.
I think the nature of SDPokemom's comment that has been getting so much flak is this: lots of guesses have been made as to why TPC is doing this, and some are reasonable arguments. But that reasoning doesn't appear to be good enough to suppress the outrage because it's not coming from the source. If TPC echoes the same thing, that suddenly satisfies the crowd? I guess it would JWittz, since that level of communication is simply what he is asking for, but sometimes that is indeed how a corporation must behave. But let's not equally vilify the people in charge of Organized Play, because they do have constraints they must work with, and I guarantee you they do care about us players.
Here's my contribution:
As a the parent of a winning Junior (now Senior), it does cost me more to travel than some Masters, because they frequently split the cost of rides and rooms. I also have to take vacation time from work and board our dogs. Families that make the trip simply have more obligations to take care of then a young adult who is still in school or with part-time job. So I appreciate the travel stipend, if we are fortunate enough to win one. (And it was never two awards, one for player and one for parent...just one award, so yes $500 is more than $300).
Know what hurt more? Taking away the scholarships at the Regional level last year. But I don't remember this level of outrage, I guess because it was taken away from all divisions. The rage seems to come from the "discrimination" against Masters. You can continue to rage about that if you want, or you can accept it as changing rules of the game. The game being in the big picture, how to win the most throughout the season. Two years ago, there was only one Regionals event. This year, there are THREE. That means three of the best Masters in a particular area of the country now have the chance to get a fully-paid trip to Nationals, rather than just the Top 2 from two years ago. Isn't that better overall?
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supertyranitar
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One Step Forward, Three Steps Back
This is a seriously bad sign for the game. TPCi has done something good for the Juniors and Seniors by adding these prizes, helping to make things a little less top heavy (but, it is still very top heavy considering both divisions have to get to top 4 to really get anything of value). I think it's good that they're adding to the prize support for them. But, in the process of doing something good for two age groups, they have alienated the masters in doing so - that is terrible for the game.
Masters make up the biggest age group, and are probably the most loyal to the game. I encourage anyone to think about that. There are the masters that have stayed in this game for years on end because they enjoy the game, and the friends that it brings. Not to mention, we've seen masters sky rocket and continue to grow because of the masters that continue to come back to a game that they left for multiple reasons. And usually, masters do not quit the game unless life gets in the way, or, in some cases, some simply get fed up with the company that runs it. Back in the Wizards days, masters did not have much choice but to quit considering that the company decided to completely obliterate the division, which practically killed the game once the "fad" that pokemon was dropped out from the radar of cool and hip.
I've seen the game at its worst, that was the Wizards days, when the company did not want Masters playing. Watching people leave the game left and right once Worlds 2002 happened was not a fun experience. It was not fun to watch this game go on life support because Wizards wanted new business for magic, and treated pokemon as a mere kids game. It was not fun to have to fight for the attendances that pokemon now gets.
So, why be angry with this decision? Why be angry with the fact that the masters, the largest and most loyal age group, does not get the benefits of added prize support? Because this is the first step in a possible path of mistakes that might lead to turning off the masters, ultimately killing this game. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, Masters drive this game. Whether it be the parents that support their kids, or the masters that play on their own accord.
I just want to make it clear, before I get dog piled on, I'm not devaluing Juniors and Seniors here. I'm not saying for one instance that it's a bad thing that TPCi is trying to promote the growth of these age groups by adding prizes; however, Masters need to see the same pieces of the pie. One of the messages that TPCi sends by only adding to the Juniors and Seniors is that they do not care about the Masters that play; rather, it sends off a signal that TPCi views this game as a child's game at best, just as Wizards did. That cannot be done if they want their game to continue to flourish.
Perhaps I'm paranoid, perhaps I'm being over the top. I'll let everyone else judge.
This is a seriously bad sign for the game. TPCi has done something good for the Juniors and Seniors by adding these prizes, helping to make things a little less top heavy (but, it is still very top heavy considering both divisions have to get to top 4 to really get anything of value). I think it's good that they're adding to the prize support for them. But, in the process of doing something good for two age groups, they have alienated the masters in doing so - that is terrible for the game.
Masters make up the biggest age group, and are probably the most loyal to the game. I encourage anyone to think about that. There are the masters that have stayed in this game for years on end because they enjoy the game, and the friends that it brings. Not to mention, we've seen masters sky rocket and continue to grow because of the masters that continue to come back to a game that they left for multiple reasons. And usually, masters do not quit the game unless life gets in the way, or, in some cases, some simply get fed up with the company that runs it. Back in the Wizards days, masters did not have much choice but to quit considering that the company decided to completely obliterate the division, which practically killed the game once the "fad" that pokemon was dropped out from the radar of cool and hip.
I've seen the game at its worst, that was the Wizards days, when the company did not want Masters playing. Watching people leave the game left and right once Worlds 2002 happened was not a fun experience. It was not fun to watch this game go on life support because Wizards wanted new business for magic, and treated pokemon as a mere kids game. It was not fun to have to fight for the attendances that pokemon now gets.
So, why be angry with this decision? Why be angry with the fact that the masters, the largest and most loyal age group, does not get the benefits of added prize support? Because this is the first step in a possible path of mistakes that might lead to turning off the masters, ultimately killing this game. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, Masters drive this game. Whether it be the parents that support their kids, or the masters that play on their own accord.
I just want to make it clear, before I get dog piled on, I'm not devaluing Juniors and Seniors here. I'm not saying for one instance that it's a bad thing that TPCi is trying to promote the growth of these age groups by adding prizes; however, Masters need to see the same pieces of the pie. One of the messages that TPCi sends by only adding to the Juniors and Seniors is that they do not care about the Masters that play; rather, it sends off a signal that TPCi views this game as a child's game at best, just as Wizards did. That cannot be done if they want their game to continue to flourish.
Perhaps I'm paranoid, perhaps I'm being over the top. I'll let everyone else judge.
losjackal
Technical Administrator
The post above made me think of one more thing: when I think of the loyal Masters who have played the game for years and years, it also makes me think of how the prizes for winning were much greater in the past. Something about winning a Gym Challenge and getting a trip to Worlds? Scholarships that were huge? Those Masters got to benefit from winning prizes that we as a family that started playing in December 2009 never had a chance to get. Someday Xander will be a 16-year old Master and not benefit from these changes either. Until then, I will appreciate what we can win now. But it's not nearly as much as the Masters have won in the past...so I'm sorry it's getting hard to hear that you feel so disrespected.
SaiaSandstorm
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I didn't "hound" this website. It's just all over my Facebook news feed and I wanted to throw in my two cents.
I've said this before, and it shows now more than ever. TPCi can do pretty much whatever they want when it comes to prize support and other decisions. Masters will still play because they love the game, while most of the revenue will come from kids who have no grasp on the stuff being discussed in this thread. It's honestly the sweetest deal ever for them. If I've learned anything about Organized Play, this is it.
Let me defend TPCi a bit. We've seen decisions in the past that affected US players negatively, yet it benefited international players. Remember Gym Challenges? They disappeared while more trips showed up overseas. I despised this change to begin with, but have since recognized it as a good thing because it got more players into the game. Guess what? This is nearly the exact same scenario. If you're complaining about age discrimination now, then I sure hope you were complaining about the pathetically little support international players were receiving back in the day. Funny though, I don't remember any cries of justice for that particular move.
Now, let me defend the masters, the most dedicated group of players that Organized Play has. Some decisions level the playing field a bit, just like the switch to international support TPCi made so long ago. This one doesn't. This decision seems aimed at pulling in more Juniors/Seniors. And while TPCi can make pretty much any decision they want when it comes to prize support, it doesn't mean they should. If they slashed all prize support for masters, I wouldn't be surprised if that group continued to grow. But again, most players would recognize it as greedy, selfish, and downright rude — then go on to play anyway. We are some of the most dedicated players TPCi will ever find, and while decisions like this won't change the decision of most masters to play, it certainly does feel unfair.
And to those saying that Masters will "continue to show up at Nationals," you're right. You're actually more right than you know! Like I said above, masters will continue to play because they love the game. It's the sad truth to this game. This doesn't come down to whether or not masters will play, it comes down to a level of respect. Masters will still show up at Nats, but they don't cram 8 in a room and carpool just because they're being thrifty; in many cases it's the best they can do. While some parents have to dedicate vacation time to make the trip, many masters don't even have vacation time to give up. Yet they still make it out. The masters are a dedicated playerbase, and this decision completely ignores their presence.
Let me defend TPCi a bit. We've seen decisions in the past that affected US players negatively, yet it benefited international players. Remember Gym Challenges? They disappeared while more trips showed up overseas. I despised this change to begin with, but have since recognized it as a good thing because it got more players into the game. Guess what? This is nearly the exact same scenario. If you're complaining about age discrimination now, then I sure hope you were complaining about the pathetically little support international players were receiving back in the day. Funny though, I don't remember any cries of justice for that particular move.
Now, let me defend the masters, the most dedicated group of players that Organized Play has. Some decisions level the playing field a bit, just like the switch to international support TPCi made so long ago. This one doesn't. This decision seems aimed at pulling in more Juniors/Seniors. And while TPCi can make pretty much any decision they want when it comes to prize support, it doesn't mean they should. If they slashed all prize support for masters, I wouldn't be surprised if that group continued to grow. But again, most players would recognize it as greedy, selfish, and downright rude — then go on to play anyway. We are some of the most dedicated players TPCi will ever find, and while decisions like this won't change the decision of most masters to play, it certainly does feel unfair.
And to those saying that Masters will "continue to show up at Nationals," you're right. You're actually more right than you know! Like I said above, masters will continue to play because they love the game. It's the sad truth to this game. This doesn't come down to whether or not masters will play, it comes down to a level of respect. Masters will still show up at Nats, but they don't cram 8 in a room and carpool just because they're being thrifty; in many cases it's the best they can do. While some parents have to dedicate vacation time to make the trip, many masters don't even have vacation time to give up. Yet they still make it out. The masters are a dedicated playerbase, and this decision completely ignores their presence.
FincastlePokemon2
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Problem is, there's nothing (except our own desire) that says we should get this. I think we can be pretty confident that discussions along this line were voiced and vetted during the decision-making process. However, we have about as much "right" to know all of their reasoning as you have to know how much money is in my checking account.
Even publicly traded compaines with loads of stockholders only have the right to know the information mandated by the SEC - not the background of every discussion in every meeting.
I get the feeling that we're feeling a little bit too entitled...
TheDarkTwins
Active Member
A few things.
Lawman points out that Seniors/Juniors groups have remained the same. That's not true, they continue to grow, but not at the same pace that Masters does. It has nothing to do with any of this. It has to do with them AGING up. When they age up, they end up in Masters eventually, so logically the one with the big age diversity is going to be the biggest by far.
Jason (GodBlessAmerica) points out this is the worst thing ever done. Ryan (Bullados) points out when the same thing I was thinking, it's not even close. When they eliminated the Masters division, that was clearly the worst moment in Pokemon, hands down.
You guys want to know why nobody has posting from TPCi, well it's your own darn fault. You guys ruthless BASHED them in the Battle Roads thread, and threw Dan under the bus when he tried to help. Not only wouldn't I be shocked if nobody posts in this thread about it, but it would be rightfully deserved after the way most of you treated them.
You also have to realize that most of the players on Pokegym ARE Masters, so this discuss is going to be biased if it only affects Masters.
I understand why they did it. It costs Parents a lot more to go around than it does for 1 Masters players. Do I agree with the choice. I don't, but it's not the end of the world like most of you make it sound. It was a poor choice. TPCi has made WAY more good choices than bad ones. Is this up there as far as one of the worst ones, yeah, I can see that, but hopefully they will realize this and in the near future we'll find out why, and what there exact reasoning. However if you want an answer from them, you need to be respectful, not insult them, and compare them to things that are truly things that are real life issues, not something that has to do with a hobby.
I think that overall it's bad for the game, but won't do anything to kill it. We still have Masters division, and until that goes away, I'm happy. The events are free, and while that's not a reasoning, the Prizes haven't changed from last year in Masters. If anything they actually went up a little bit in Masters since before T32 didn't get packs.
I don't like it, but I understand why they made the decision. Hopefully they change it eventually to better suit the Masters in the future, but for now we can only give our argument respectfully, and in a way that doesn't insult and undermine what we as Masters are trying to do. If you continue to insult TPCi, why would they want to help, listen, or even respond to you. They are under more stress than you realize, and to be honest, while it is their job to respond, I find that if you are courteous to people, they are more willing to respond and explain things to you, and maybe, change it for future events.
Drew
Lawman points out that Seniors/Juniors groups have remained the same. That's not true, they continue to grow, but not at the same pace that Masters does. It has nothing to do with any of this. It has to do with them AGING up. When they age up, they end up in Masters eventually, so logically the one with the big age diversity is going to be the biggest by far.
Jason (GodBlessAmerica) points out this is the worst thing ever done. Ryan (Bullados) points out when the same thing I was thinking, it's not even close. When they eliminated the Masters division, that was clearly the worst moment in Pokemon, hands down.
You guys want to know why nobody has posting from TPCi, well it's your own darn fault. You guys ruthless BASHED them in the Battle Roads thread, and threw Dan under the bus when he tried to help. Not only wouldn't I be shocked if nobody posts in this thread about it, but it would be rightfully deserved after the way most of you treated them.
You also have to realize that most of the players on Pokegym ARE Masters, so this discuss is going to be biased if it only affects Masters.
I understand why they did it. It costs Parents a lot more to go around than it does for 1 Masters players. Do I agree with the choice. I don't, but it's not the end of the world like most of you make it sound. It was a poor choice. TPCi has made WAY more good choices than bad ones. Is this up there as far as one of the worst ones, yeah, I can see that, but hopefully they will realize this and in the near future we'll find out why, and what there exact reasoning. However if you want an answer from them, you need to be respectful, not insult them, and compare them to things that are truly things that are real life issues, not something that has to do with a hobby.
I think that overall it's bad for the game, but won't do anything to kill it. We still have Masters division, and until that goes away, I'm happy. The events are free, and while that's not a reasoning, the Prizes haven't changed from last year in Masters. If anything they actually went up a little bit in Masters since before T32 didn't get packs.
I don't like it, but I understand why they made the decision. Hopefully they change it eventually to better suit the Masters in the future, but for now we can only give our argument respectfully, and in a way that doesn't insult and undermine what we as Masters are trying to do. If you continue to insult TPCi, why would they want to help, listen, or even respond to you. They are under more stress than you realize, and to be honest, while it is their job to respond, I find that if you are courteous to people, they are more willing to respond and explain things to you, and maybe, change it for future events.
Drew
mosherstomper
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ive been seriously playing for about 2 years now. so yea i am new to the way this company works. and yes pizza and trading cards are 2 different products, but the basic point i was tryin to make got across i believe.
thanks for giving a mature response to me.
eric does bring up a valid point. aint no masters quitting anytime soon. for every reason he mentioned and more. ive heard plenty of stories of amazing prize support that this game used to give out that has been cut over the years. but for the most part all those players are still here and growing.
its like tcpi is an abusive boyfriend, and we just love him so much. but hes always off running games behind out backs and hurting feelings. but we stay anyway.
MOM I understanding the reasoning, but since your such a hardcore believer in P!P I'm sure you understand how much negaitive press this is causing for the company.
I am seriously getting sick of this attitude that the player base doesn't matter to the company. Am I crazy for thinking that I should have my voice heard from by company that I am loyal to and support. I'm not saying that P!P has to run every decesion by mean, but I don't think a little communication hurts. And I certainly think I have the right to discuss these issues on a public forum.
when was it EVER $300 for the parent AND child? that $300 was for BOTH...
FireFighter095ReBorn
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Im not gonna get this rant going hard but here's the thing: back when wizards starting cutting the masters there was a 25 page uproar over it on here. Alot of masters bowed out almost killing this game. They all feel its a kids and and it is but the masters are covered with kids who just come up through seniors and yes the older kids are competitive but you gotta realize. ALOT OF THEM are college students who wants play but lose the resources to finacially. Im 30 now and ive played since oi was 17. i love this game and it brought alot but it cost alot to travel to places like philly and RI if i wanta play and if you strip the trip from masters it not only says why come out but hey your a matser now not a senior so good luck making it to nationals. Its just sad in my opinion that POP is seeing an ultra competitive field and have to cut masters trips thanks to it. What ever happened to spirit of the game and the idea that it was FUNNN!!
In closing if they decide to do this all season not only will masters be dropped serverly i cant see pokemon hold course as hard as they were before. Honestly i dont know if it can stay afloat with just junior and senior support.
In colsing if POP wants a less competitive and more fun masters why not find ways to rule out the competitive nature that harms the game and keep the suport so seniors dont fear walking into masers and the masters can have their fun. This is juts a stupid idea that will blow up in their face in my opinion:nonono:
In closing if they decide to do this all season not only will masters be dropped serverly i cant see pokemon hold course as hard as they were before. Honestly i dont know if it can stay afloat with just junior and senior support.
In colsing if POP wants a less competitive and more fun masters why not find ways to rule out the competitive nature that harms the game and keep the suport so seniors dont fear walking into masers and the masters can have their fun. This is juts a stupid idea that will blow up in their face in my opinion:nonono:
To be realistic emotions are going to cloud clear judgement of people. It's nowhere near the same, but for some people we need an extreme statement to make it clear:
If suddenly your employer/company decided to give raises/bonuses to another group other than yours would you feel slighted? If you wouldn't feel slighted would you at least want to know what your department/division could do to get the raise/bonus next time around? I know in my work area we haven't had the funds to give our employees salary steps, but we've provided bonuses to ALL employees. Now to be fair your bonus was based on your your current rate of pay. The thing is the people who got smaller bonuses DID NOT complain as they knew WHY their bonus was at a reduced rate.
Again we're (the general 'we' as I've mentioned I'm not playing for prizes this year) not the employs of TPCi and thus aren't talking about bonuses, but we're still talking about a company policy.
I know myself and several I have spoken to would've been fine with an accompanying announcement like this:
"Thanks to the kind donations of several donations by large franchises across the country we've been able to increase the prize support for Junior and Senior players. At this time the donations were intended for Juniors and Seniors as the companies donating wish to promote positive after school activities and find TPCi promoting the same goals."
Now that might not be the case, but making it clear that there are new funds allocated for OP prizes and there is a reason why only 2/3 divisions can use the newly found money.
What I think irks people is this announcement was seemingly posted around 10 PM Eastern/7PM Pacific which is the close of business for sure. Now feel free to say they posted it far earlier, but no one found it until then. That is very much a possibility. This is about the same as the teacher saying in the last minute of class "Please do problems 14-33 tonight for homework," leaving no time for questions about the assignment.
To be fair, no, we aren't owed a reason as to why JR/SRs gets a raise in cash allowance and Masters don't. However I was around when the 15+ was cut out and that's the first time I left the game. It's not because I stopped liking Pokemon, but because I stopped feeling like the company cared about my friends and I. I still played the VGs, because I loved Pokemon and it was free.
A little "Masters don't worry you may feel slighted, but your time to shine is coming," would've also gone a long way.
If suddenly your employer/company decided to give raises/bonuses to another group other than yours would you feel slighted? If you wouldn't feel slighted would you at least want to know what your department/division could do to get the raise/bonus next time around? I know in my work area we haven't had the funds to give our employees salary steps, but we've provided bonuses to ALL employees. Now to be fair your bonus was based on your your current rate of pay. The thing is the people who got smaller bonuses DID NOT complain as they knew WHY their bonus was at a reduced rate.
Again we're (the general 'we' as I've mentioned I'm not playing for prizes this year) not the employs of TPCi and thus aren't talking about bonuses, but we're still talking about a company policy.
I know myself and several I have spoken to would've been fine with an accompanying announcement like this:
"Thanks to the kind donations of several donations by large franchises across the country we've been able to increase the prize support for Junior and Senior players. At this time the donations were intended for Juniors and Seniors as the companies donating wish to promote positive after school activities and find TPCi promoting the same goals."
Now that might not be the case, but making it clear that there are new funds allocated for OP prizes and there is a reason why only 2/3 divisions can use the newly found money.
What I think irks people is this announcement was seemingly posted around 10 PM Eastern/7PM Pacific which is the close of business for sure. Now feel free to say they posted it far earlier, but no one found it until then. That is very much a possibility. This is about the same as the teacher saying in the last minute of class "Please do problems 14-33 tonight for homework," leaving no time for questions about the assignment.
To be fair, no, we aren't owed a reason as to why JR/SRs gets a raise in cash allowance and Masters don't. However I was around when the 15+ was cut out and that's the first time I left the game. It's not because I stopped liking Pokemon, but because I stopped feeling like the company cared about my friends and I. I still played the VGs, because I loved Pokemon and it was free.
A little "Masters don't worry you may feel slighted, but your time to shine is coming," would've also gone a long way.
who are you? and tell me, when have i ever POSTPONED one of my events?
Politoed666
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Guys, keep this in perspective. They didn't cut any prize support from Masters. When you misrepresent or exaggerate the facts, you detract from your legitimate arguments.
JohnnyBlaze
New Member
Whats the biggest age group that plays Pokemon? The Masters division. This will not increase attendance in Jrs and Srs. This will actually decrease attendance as PokeParents like myself that drive those Jrs and Srs wont be attending Regionals since the MA players will have less of a chance to earn travel awards. I have myself and my oldest son in Masters to compete. Now thats 2 less chances and when my Sr ages up next year then thats 3 less chances. Families like myself are better off just attending Nationals and taking our shot there at T8. Frankly my JR that just aged up into Sr and is still only 10 is getting destroyed. He had great success in Jrs but now hes going to have to wait until he gets a little older and more mature to have a shot in the SR division.
Basically Nationals will be the place to gain your CP points. Just strive for Top 8 and you get 500 points. I can no longer justify spending money on hotels, gas and mileage on my vehicle to drive to earn 15 points at BRs for example. For my family it will be NATS or bust!! We will figure out a way to earn the bare minimum of CP points to get into Nationals without spending too much money traveling to Regionals and other tourneys.
I have to wait and see what all this means. Too soon to speculate.
Also if this is a kids game then why has it been since Next Destiny we as collectors/players have seen money cards reaching upwards to $100? 1st release of Mewtwo-ex $75-100, 1st release of Darkrai-ex $60-$75, 1st release of Shining Rayquaza $80-$100. I will promise you that if these new ACE Spec cards are made into $100 secret Rares and I am a family of 5 players trying to build 5 competitive decks, then this will be the last straw and I will be quitting this game. Again speculation but be warned.
BlisseyRocks
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If anyone defending P!P is SUPRISED by this reaction, you really need to think about this for yourself. Sure, we didnt lose any prize support and gained more championship points yay! But how can you expect us to NOT be angry when we basically see this as a slap in the face? Yeah people arent going to quit over this decision(even though i actually just saw a quitting post from one of my friends on facebook) but IF someone like Jason or Kyle were to quit over something like this, it WOULD definitley hurt the game. These players that people see as role models of the game are getting fed up by the decisions made, and eventually there will be a last straw.
Sure, we didnt lose anything, but to expect us to not be mad is ridiculous. We all play the same game so we should all get the same prizes.
Sure, we didnt lose anything, but to expect us to not be mad is ridiculous. We all play the same game so we should all get the same prizes.
losjackal
Technical Administrator
The above seems to be the tl;dr version: even though prize support is the same (or arguably better, given 3 Regionals), it's all about Masters being treated differently than Juniors/Seniors.
Masters play the same game one-on-one but there are way more opponents in Masters playing in the whole tournament, so it's already not exactly the same scenario across divisions. Looking at Nationals attendance numbers: 180 Juniors, 322 Seniors, 1005 Masters. It is now your job to boost those Junior and Senior numbers. What do you do?
(Seriously, try to think of something. And don't resort to saying what you wouldn't do.)