Politoed666
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Not everything that is different or unequal is unfair. This is unfair.
You still may not like it, but you have to acknowledge it is logical.
Given there is no cost to Masters, I still don't get it.
The arguement that "prizes have stayed the same for masters, why should we care? " is really getting to me, TPCi has a budget for prizes at tournaments each year, that extra $30,800 (yes, $30,800 for 14 Regionals in the US and Canada) could have been used to up the prizes in every division for Nationals and Worlds. Absolutly NO ONE can argue that making T16+ in either of those tournements in any division isn't much harder and those players are much more deserving that Juniors and Seniors who play a 4-6 Round T4-16 tournament that is arguably easier that many Battle Roads or Cities in Masters. I would know, 2nd Place in a 5 Round T8 Spring Regionals in Seniors in 2011 when I had a 101 Fever and slept in our hotel room during lunch break, it's THAT easy.
One more thought... was it considered to make the travel stipends more towards Minors as opposed to cancelling out those minors that play in the Masters Division?
Could a statement not be made in the Prize support tat All Minors (under the age of 18) will receive a Travel Award if they finish in the Top X? That way opens it up in the Masters Age division covering the younger of the group if they happen to place 2nd since the Winner is Auto.
Just a consideration. Everything else is fantastic.
Doing that wont change anything. Then the people like me (18) will complain that a person who is just a year younger and is in the same situation will get money for the same accomplishment, and i wont. Ex: if you had two kids and one was 17 and one was 18 and they both top 4'd but one of them got $500 and the other didnt how do you think the 18 year old would feel?
While I don't think that 15+ will be eliminated again, it's tough to forget what happened under WotC. If you sleight the Masters - the foundation of the game - the results will not be good.
An Edited TCG Autumn Regionals Prize System said:All Junior and Senior attendees will reciever 2 free packs of the latest set for participating in a 2012-2013 Autmun TCG Regionals Event while supplis last!
1st Place
A Pokémon TCG Regional Championships 1st Place award
A Travel Award (including a parent or legal guardian for players under 18) to the 2013 U.S. National Championships at the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis, Indiana, OR the Canada National Championships in Toronto, ON.* †
A first- and second-round bye at the U.S. National Championships**
A combination of 36 booster packs from current Pokémon TCG expansions
Changed from 72 back to the original 36. Frees up 108 packs per event
120 Championship Points
2nd Place
A Pokémon TCG Regional Championships 2nd Place award
A Travel Stipend of $300 for All Division finalists to the 2013 U.S. National Championships at the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis, Indiana, OR the Canada National Championships in Toronto, ON.* †
Changed from 500 exclusive, freeing up 100 dollars per event
A first- and second-round bye at the U.S. National Championships**
A combination of 36 booster packs from current Pokémon TCG expansions
Changed from 72 to the original 36 pakcs, freeing up 108 packs per event
110 Championship Points (if division attendance is 4 or greater)
3rd & 4th Place
A Travel Stipend of $300 for All Division finalists to the 2013 U.S. National Championships at the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis, Indiana, OR the Canada National Championships in Toronto, ON.* †
Changed from 500 dollar exclusive, freeing up 200 dollars per event
A Pokémon TCG Regional Championships 3rd or 4th Place award
A combination of 24 booster packs from current Pokémon TCG expansions
Changed from 36 to 24, freeing up 72 packs per event
90 Championship Points (if division attendance is 8 or greater)
5th Place through 8th Place
A combination of 18 booster packs from current Pokémon TCG expansions
Changed from 24 to 18 packs, freeing up 72 packs per event
70 Championship Points(if division attendance is 32 or greater)
9th Place through 12th Place
A combination of 12 booster packs from current Pokémon TCG expansions
Changed from 18 to 12 packs
50 Championship Points (if division attendance is 64 or greater)
13th Place through 16th Place
A combination of 12 booster packs from current Pokémon TCG expansions
Cahnged from 18 to 12 packs. Factored together with the change from 9-12, frees up 126 packs per event
40 Championship Points (if division attendance is 64 or greater)
17th Place through 32nd Place
A combination of 9 booster packs from current Pokémon TCG expansions
Changed from 7 to 9 boosters. 7 has no real signifigance as far as box raitos go and i don't understand the rational. 1/4th of a box makes sense to me, but if additional packs were needed, this change can be reverted. Takes away 96 packs per event
20 Championship Points (if division attendance is 128 or greater)
33rd Place through 64th Place
No packs, no edit
10 Championship Point (if division attendance is 256 or greater)
Total of freed up packs for the Junior and Senior attendees per event: 390
Total of freed funds per event: $300*
*The funds freed up could advisabley be split to increase the Junior/Senior payouts to 350 each, a small increase assuredly, but still a good act towards the need for parent accompanyment if the money cannot more positvely affect any segment of the season. If attendance begins to creep towards the 195 range in any event, funds can go to additional packs to insure all players particiapting get these packs.
If my understanding is correct, leagues are healthy right now, in that I believe most leagues have many more Juniors and Seniors attend than they do Masters. Is that not the case?
When it comes down to it, everyone posting in this thread wants to play Pokémon. For one reason or another, we all love the game and would love to play for as long as possible. Many of us have been customers since we were little, and we don't want to stop. Unfortunately, we gained various responsibilities and other obligations in life as we grew up. So, now we have to choose how to use our limited free time. As much as it seems "greedy" or "selfish" to some, prize support greatly factors into whether or not we want to use that time for Pokémon.
The root of the problem is that all of these people do want to keep playing, but it may not be feasible for them if there isn't a reward; this creates a huge internal conflict. No matter how much you love the game, if you can't get anything from it after dedicating countless time and money, it's not a practical decision to continue with it. Year after year, it seems like prizes are being cut, and it becomes tougher to justify playing. Now we see that new prizes were added, but it's just for the Juniors and Seniors. In principle, this isn't anything horrible, but it's all part of a snowball effect of hurtful decisions towards Masters. After all of the loyalty we have shown throughout the years, it's tough not to feel dejected by another decision that doesn't benefit us.
Since we love Pokémon so much, we are going to complain and argue; we don't want to have to make the decision to stop playing. But how long can you hold on before it becomes too much of a hassle? If events keep getting bigger, statistically it becomes tougher to win. No matter how good you are, you cannot expect to take first at an event with hundreds of people. So, unless prizes are increased, it's going to cause players to quit. Why come to events if my chances of winning anything substantial is so low? Sure, you can love the game, but it does cost money to travel and to obtain cards. Because people are so dedicated to Pokémon, you may see constant attendance or even small growth in the near future if you maintain the same prizes or decrease them a little. However, eventually people will get fed up and quit if nothing changes.
As a loyal customer and fan of Pokémon for 10+ years, I really am starting to fear what may happen if these sorts of decisions continue. Without a doubt, this game has the potential to grow and be much bigger than it is. If these trends continue, though, we may start to lose more players than we gain. While I don't think that 15+ will be eliminated again, it's tough to forget what happened under WotC. If you sleight the Masters - the foundation of the game - the results will not be good.
Las Vagas area must have a really big masters division for you to be able to say "don't like it, don't play" and not have your PTOs jump in here and reply "he does not speak for us."Well if you dislike the prize support then don't play.