Flygon! What beats it?
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Banette EX
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Why would Beedrill even be in decision??? What can Beedrill beat other than Flygon???? Flygon isn't even that great of a card. 110 max with 5 on the bench,150 with 4 special dark and weavile. Hippodwon is a better card and it isn't getting any kind of hype. Silly gymers.
elekid_957
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flygon can 2KO anything. hippo needs 4 energy to do this. flygons X is also really annoying =P.
How is Hippowdon a better card then either of the two? it's damage output is as bad as blissey's, and your oppponent would be prepared for the eventual sand reset, and play so that when they lose it all they're not gonna be stuck for the rest of the game. Besides, the worst it's gonna do is set the opponent back a couple of turns as they power up something on the bench.
beedrill is a lot faster with the new RR one. t2-3 90-120 and consistently that much for the rest of the game is nothing to scoff at. For one energy.
I won't say anything about flygon yet though, as I haven't tested it. =x
Banette EX
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Hippo isn't about OHKOing everything, its like Blissey, its cumulative damage, you build, then 40/40 or 80 and 10 to the bench. Thats STRATEGY, what a deck should have besides just trying to OHKOing 1 pokemon.
Flygon X is decent, it will discard 3-4 cards max since most decks are speed based and hit T2- T3. 150 to Lv.x is one of the easiest to get around if you just don't play a Lv.X until your going for a Ko.
Yea Blissey was a real bad deck?? It dominated BRs earlier that year, and got 2nd at worlds just off that BAD damage output. Did you not forget that Regirock and Stark Mountain makes Hippo faster?? 2 energy placement per turn then 1 discard attachment from attack. So the output builds from 30 to 60 to 90 to 120 in 4 turns easy. Or you can build from 30 to 80 to 40/40 to 40/40 to 40/40. Stage 1 over a Stage 2, I only need 1 Hippo to be effective, you 4 Beedrill to be effective.
Thats in the first turns of the game, how is that bad???? Beedrill is one of those decks that is good,never said it wasnt, but I just don't see it being the go to answer for the meta. Neither is Hippo either, but its a really good card.
Flygon X is decent, it will discard 3-4 cards max since most decks are speed based and hit T2- T3. 150 to Lv.x is one of the easiest to get around if you just don't play a Lv.X until your going for a Ko.
Yea Blissey was a real bad deck?? It dominated BRs earlier that year, and got 2nd at worlds just off that BAD damage output. Did you not forget that Regirock and Stark Mountain makes Hippo faster?? 2 energy placement per turn then 1 discard attachment from attack. So the output builds from 30 to 60 to 90 to 120 in 4 turns easy. Or you can build from 30 to 80 to 40/40 to 40/40 to 40/40. Stage 1 over a Stage 2, I only need 1 Hippo to be effective, you 4 Beedrill to be effective.
Thats in the first turns of the game, how is that bad???? Beedrill is one of those decks that is good,never said it wasnt, but I just don't see it being the go to answer for the meta. Neither is Hippo either, but its a really good card.
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i like burdn of a day
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beedrill is a BEAST! Flygon beats it in my experience. but i dont think it should. my opponent misplayed and put down BTS, well, if he didn't he would have been dead.
That's the problem. Strategy like cumulative damage doesn't work well in this format. =\
yoyofsho16
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....because the new Beedrill and Kakuna get a consistent T2-3 120, that's why.
Banette EX
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Please explain this. I want to know the situation on how this will happen every game.
i like burdn of a day
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the new beedrill isn't that great... who am i KIDDIN'?! that thing rocks. it does help alot with consistency.
Politoed666
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Excuse me, Gigas gets owned by Flygon. It lacks speed without the Lv.X, and the Lv.X gets OHKOed.
XxMaChAmPxX
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I think maybe Tyranitar could have a good shot at beating Flygon, If you have the perfect list that is.
Banette EX
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Gigas is alot faster than Flygon is, even with the 150 attack. Gigas is T2 - T3 deck, Flygon is setup and prey for Upper energy when Gigas hits the field. Even then, Palkia X makes you sacrifce pokemon harder than usualy and Mesprit locks your setup. Gigas in fact owns Fllygon.
DarthPika
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Drew, I suggest you take another look at RR. This hype about Beedrill isn't just out of nowhere, we just got a new one. The new Beedrill and the new Kakuna give the deck quite a boost in speed and consistency. You would be very foolish to not expect to see a few Beedrill running around at BRs.
How does Beedrill beat Flygon? Assuming equally good builds with equally good players, Beedrill just plain out speeds Flygon. Anything that gets in a OHKO match with Beedrill loses. So what if you discard my stadium. I'll just warp you and OHKO something else.
Not saying that Beedill is the BDIF or anything, just that it does beat Flygon, and that there is reason that it's getting hype. :tongue:
Banette EX
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How do we know, we haven't seen a deck like this played in this format. Nobody tried blissey because of Machamp/Gengar running around. We don't know how well it can do, but its a good deck to test and build around. Its self reliant and can hold its own.
butlerforhire
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Hippowdon has one of the worst weaknesses in the game. Palkia G and Kingdra will beat it on a regular basis because of this alone, although there are other factors that just make things worse for Hippowdon against both decks, such as speed and disruption and, in Kingdra's instance, complete lack of Sand Reset vulnerability. Why are you comparing it to Flygon anyway? As far as a "a deck like this played in this format," what about Blastoise/Delcatty? Hippowdon level X's attack is like a lesser Double Launcher, and Save Sand is similar to Aqua Press. Blastoise has the advantage of being able to use Delcatty, unlike Hippowdon, and it has a weakness that is generally less common (especially pre-RR). Blastoise didn't shine especially bright when it had the chance, and it had more things going for it. To back up what the ralts was saying, sniping/spreading isn't a reliable way of winning because there are numerous spread and snipe counters such as Nidoqueen RR, Alakazam 4 lv. X and Manectric PT. Save Sand's damage output is also very low when you look at what other cards are dishing out for either the same amount of energy or less. I know it is really just a way to soften things up for Groundquake while also charging for it (and/or recovering from your own Sand Reset, or the level X's attack) , but Groundquake isn't that great anyway. Blissey was good because it had tools like Cessation Crystal and Crystal Beach to severely hinder the damage output and set up of other decks which would otherwise have blown it away, and that is why it was able to get by on hitting for 40-60 and usually not much over (excluding PlusPowers/Boosts/etc.). Hippowdon doesn't have such assistance.
Back to Flygon: I think Nidoqueen RR is actually one of the best tech cards to run in this deck. Mewtwo lv. X variants would be able to attack with it if needed since there would already be Psychic energy in the deck, and it could retreat for free, although the real use is of course in that great Body. Since Flygon has free retreat, it can escape to the bench when heavily damaged and heal over time while another takes its place; this process can be repeated throughout the game. Nidoqueen also gives +10 to Power Swing and essentially beats Gallade 4, Abomasnow, Manectric, and any other spread card while helping out a lot against Kingdra.
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Lucian's Assignment might just make Blissey playable again. That, and the amount of Flygon that will be around.
Super wooper trooper
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I`ve beaten Flygon with my (unfinished) Dusknoir/Dialga deck. I have to admit that luck was the main reason for this but it was cool anyways...
Out of fear for Dark palm he didn`t fill up his bench (I don`t have Dark plam dusky, I run promo dusky...Mwahahaha:lol
and his attacks of 40+10 (resistance:biggrindamage were just perfect for my damage evening Dusky...
You just gotta make sure you don`t level up when risks are high and you can just walk right over him...
Out of fear for Dark palm he didn`t fill up his bench (I don`t have Dark plam dusky, I run promo dusky...Mwahahaha:lol
and his attacks of 40+10 (resistance:biggrindamage were just perfect for my damage evening Dusky...You just gotta make sure you don`t level up when risks are high and you can just walk right over him...
FLCLFANMAN
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It all depends on who attacks first
Regular Gigas (Gigaton Punch) can one shot Flygon and Giga Blaster is another OHKO
Just remembered:
Luxray (LA)+ Sunnyshore owns Flygon
vanderbilt_grad
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^ why would the flygon player ever use the X vs Luxray? And why wouldn't the Flygon player use the RR Flygon to discard the stadiums and follow up with the SW one?