Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Format Change for Next Year - Possible Change for Nats and Worlds!

Deathstroke said:
People who are complaining about Arceus and SV not being in the rotation:

Why are you assembling, let alone purchasing older sets, before rotation is said, after new rules are announced in Japan, when the cards from HGSS onwards are specifically made for HGSS On and HGSS On was one of, if not the, most likely rotation because of the environment?

Maybe people should stop complaining about money and start spending it wisely? ie, buy the damn cards/box when they come out, not later. When starting/restarting, go with the new stuff and wait for the game to catch up?

Blisters be buggered, same with Tins, I thought it was known that the older packets were fillers.
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Wow, what a GREAT attitude for new players: since you weren't playing 2 years ago when Uxie came out, you should just not run it in your deck...granted, you will be the only deck in a competitive environment NOT running it, so...ya know, good luck.

@Charizard3712
I don't think its so much that they are losing cards, I think its how many cards they are losing. Granted, we all knew a rotation was coming. But, essentially, we just lost 11 sets in 8 months, so much for the 4 per year we were anticipating...

While I will concede that leaving SV and Arceus (and even RR) would leave SOME problems, it still would have been a better move. It left more cards in the format. What would have been so bad about having a SV-on (or RR-on) format for the rest of the year, then rotate to HGSS on in September?
 
Ekaru said:
They *did* do the research.

RR-on wouldn't have worked because RR, SV, and AR all contain extremely strong basics. Even without the SP engine, extremely strong basics in a format where evolution decks are slowed down is just asking for everybody to use them. Remember, evolution decks are nerfed too, not just SP, Arceus, etc., and those will still be able to set up quickly, especially with the new T1 rule.

In a format where evolution decks are slowed down, all basics have to be balanced for such a format. When you have strong basics running around that weren't meant to be in the format, trouble can occur.

If they let these basics run around in this format, the game would probably break. Safest way to get everything is just to go HGSS-on. I wouldn't be surprised if P!P did some playtesting, too, to have some results to show the head honchos about such a dramatic rotation. Without any evidence at all it would've been hard for them to rotate out 7 sets like this.
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Doesn't make sense or agree with the set. Haven't you seen Reshiram and Zekrom? No leveling up required, bigger attacks and more HP than SP. Bottom line, Luxchomp would have been uncompetitive or completely gone without Cyrus Conspiracy and the Team Galactic set, and Dialgachomp would be rotated out. No way SP could keep up with higher HP and heavier hitting Pokemon without CC, Egain, Power Spray and Poketurn. You can't even level it up on the bench, so it has more restrictions than Stage 1 like Scizor or Steelix, and it's a liability to hold the Xs in hand with LostGar in the format. Without it's unbalanced engine, SP becomes mostly techs in a completely different and very diverse format. It would have been an awesome period of deck building and variety. There are plenty of good reasons to have HGSS on, but yours isn't one of them. I only think that there was an opportunity to do less damage to the customers and could have done RR now with HGSS after worlds. They could have spread the pain better and not cut 65% of the cards at once when it isn't even scheduled.

So now we get to loose 7 1/2 sets at once for basically 4 1/2 left behind plus 1 new to buy. To me it is just past mismanagement leaving the customers holding the bag with cards that never had a good format to get played.
 
.....does this community complain about everything!?!? Sableye with B&W rules was worth complaining about, it would have ruined the game.
Now people complaining about hgss-on format when it was obvious a change had to be made. Yes RR-On would have been fun with Arceus being bdif. Just be happy P!P actually did something to keep the game competitive. Seems like they can never win so why even change the format...
 
fabulousTaz said:
.....does this community complain about everything!?!? Sableye with B&W rules was worth complaining about, it would have ruined the game.
Now people complaining about hgss-on format when it was obvious a change had to be made. Yes RR-On would have been fun with Arceus being bdif. Just be happy P!P actually did something to keep the game competitive. Seems like they can never win so why even change the format...
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Hi! Welcome to Pokegym. My name is Naki!

Seriously though, theres always some people who are complaining about something. It could be raining Luxray GL Level X's and someone would forsake the gods for the free cards.
 
Seems like this is the usual complaints about rotation, just 3/4 months early. Sets rotate, cards become good or bad, something new becomes "broken". You either adapt, or drop the game.
 
Naki Feralkin said:
Hi! Welcome to Pokegym. My name is Naki!

Seriously though, theres always some people who are complaining about something. It could be raining Luxray GL Level X's and someone would forsake the gods for the free cards.
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The complaint would probably be twofold in this case. First of all you'd have a couple of collectors complaining about how this was going to devalue their collections. Second you would have players complaining that with Luxray GL LV.X being this common, no one would play anything else.

I just wish the people complaining would realize that there is no "perfect" solution to the problem that this compromise seeks to correct, and the solution they are giving us is most likely the best they can and more than most jaded players would suspect.
 
bullados said:
BiffMasta: Just, for one moment, assume that the P!P people aren't blithering idiots and understand that the RR-on AND the BW rules nerf were most likely talked about and rejected by other people in TPCi or from Japan for various reasons that might have absolutely nothing to do with anything you spoke about.
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Is that your way of saying its not a format issue? Care to shed any light on what those reasons might be Bullados?

ShadowCard said:
Japan's concern is OP in Japan. The reason we should not conform to Japan is because of the role of marketing in the international OP. Japan does not (appear to) make decisions with consideration to the international markets. It makes the two different. Then there's the fact that they play the game differently than the international OP does.
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If the above quote is true, then is it not safe to say Japan isn't influencing the decision?

Is the announcement strictly a warning of a mid season rotation that was already known about far in advance? If that's the case, wouldn't players and collectors be given sooner notice?


Assuming this is a move to turn a stale, sp and potentially higher donk infested metagame around, in other words, attempting to provide a healthy competitive format, how does rotating rising rivals, supreme victors, and arceus solve the problem at all? Would the only playable deck be arceus or something else I've overlooked? For the record, I'm in full agreement with rotating through platinum.


Assuming sales for a set will decrease as the set is rotated out of modified, where is the business incentive?
I must be crazy to think that OP would want as many legal sets as possible as long as the format was deemed healthy by a majority.
 
"The next Modified format will include expansions from HeartGold & SoulSilver to the present."

Seems to me this is pretty vague. While it guarantees the new format will include HGSS on, it does not exclude keeping in earlier sets. In a way that is good, as it leaves P!P some wiggle room.

I'm still hoping for something like an early rotation of SF only, then having RR on starting in September. No one ever said that sets need to be rotated out in sequence, even though that is generally what makes the most sense.
 
hueglin said:
"The next Modified format will include expansions from HeartGold & SoulSilver to the present."

Seems to me this is pretty vague. While it guarantees the new format will include HGSS on, it does not exclude keeping in earlier sets. In a way that is good, as it leaves P!P some wiggle room.

I'm still hoping for something like an early rotation of SF only, then having RR on starting in September. No one ever said that sets need to be rotated out in sequence, even though that is generally what makes the most sense.
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It has been said elsewhere by P!P that the format in September (regardless of an early rotation) is going to be HGSS-on. The wording is most likely so future expansions and promo cards aren't excluded.
 
I would like to ask why do people keep complaining that Stage 2 decks won't work?! They have worked in the past without the Super Rare Candy, and they will work again. The new Rare Candy makes it so you get your Stage two set up turn 2, last time I checked a set up by turn two was GOOD!

Furthermore, every evolution will have the ability to be set up at the earliest of turn 2. What is the bad thing about that?
The reason why Stage 2s need the Rare Candy is so that they are on par with the Stage 1s. If every Pokemon could be evolved the same way without any aid, what would be the point of having a difference of Stage 1s and Stage 2s?

Sorry for the little rant, but I seriously don't see the problem with the nerfed candy. Also, why don't people just playtest some, and see if the whole Zekrom thing is really as good as it seems.
 
hueglin said:
"The next Modified format will include expansions from HeartGold & SoulSilver to the present."

Seems to me this is pretty vague. While it guarantees the new format will include HGSS on, it does not exclude keeping in earlier sets. In a way that is good, as it leaves P!P some wiggle room.

I'm still hoping for something like an early rotation of SF only, then having RR on starting in September. No one ever said that sets need to be rotated out in sequence, even though that is generally what makes the most sense.
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There is nothing vague about it. When it says HeartGold & SoulSilver to the present." that is just what it means. It starts at HGSS and includes anything we get from now until the rotation takes affect. Nothing before HGSS.
 
evil psyduck said:
There is nothing vague about it. When it says HeartGold & SoulSilver to the present." that is just what it means. It starts at HGSS and includes anything we get from now until the rotation takes affect. Nothing before HGSS.
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The sentence I am about to write will include the words "just" and "only".

Just because you say you are going to include something, does not make it clear that you are going to exclude everything else; unless of course you use the word only, as in the phrase "will include only the sets". At least that is my understanding of the grammatical usage here. Others are free to differ in their opinion.

Another example might be - The team will include girls. That does not mean the team will have no boys on it.

It may well be that their intention is for it to only be HGSS on, but to me that is not exactly what it says.
 
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It kind of sucked, because I did not want to any prerelease for Undauted and Unleash and I only got some few stuff from TM and HGSS (like a typholosion and meganium), however my misfortune of having little to no card to play with, with only 2 reshirams I got from prerrelese and supporter/trainer staples, still does not content with the relief of having both SP and sableye gone. Darn, I even run Gyrados and I am glad. So basically what I am trying to say is that yes, losing so many cards sucks, but keeping them is even worse. (altough I doubt RR-on would have hurt, but who knows, maybe Arceus really was going to turn into a GODLY deck).
 
hueglin said:
The sentence I am about to write will include the words "just" and "only".

Just because you say you are going to include something, does not make it clear that you are going to exclude everything else; unless of course you use the word only, as in the phrase "will include only the sets". At least that is my understanding of the grammatical usage here. Others are free to differ in their opinion.

Another example might be - The team will include girls. That does not mean the team will have no boys on it.

It may well be that there intention is for it to only be HGSS on, but to me that is not exactly what it says.
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GEE your may be right. Maybe they will include cards as far back as base set. end sarcasm
 
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