Rainbowgym
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Seems to me there is something wrong with the new ruling made about Froslass/Sandslash vs Unown G.
If there is anybody reading Japanese and with access to their official ruling website, please I need your help.
Contact my so we can try to find out if this ruling should be revised (very important with BR in a few days).
Or voice you opinion in this thread.
Ruling made.
Short and simple why this ruling is wrong.
The attack of the Pokemon with Unown G attached is causing the effect, NOT the Sandslash/Froslass.
Therefor Unown G is NOT preventing anything.
Unown G equiped Pokemon are prevent effects of attacks from the opponent's Pokemon attack, but not from it's own attacks.
Or even more simple. During the turn, the Unown G equiped Pokemon attacks, Unown G doesn't even work at all. Because it only works against effects of attacks from your opponent's attacks. (and the opponent is simply not attacking)
Also found this comment on Unown G from a while ago
Seems that an effect like the Sandslash/Froslass have, is more an "effect in play" after the turn ends, which will make the current ruling invalid.
EXAMPLE
Player A - attacks with Froslass Destiny Bond attack, to "any Pokemon with Unown G attached" and discards a P energy.
At this point the opponent's Unown-G equiped Pokemon is protected from effects of attacks done by Player A it's Pokemon, so check if there are effects done to this Unown-G equiped Pokemon.
Since the effect of the attack of Player A is NOT an effect on the unown-G equiped Pokemon but on itself. Unown-G has nothing to prevent.
turn Player B
Player B attack's with the Unown-G equiped Pokemon, but nothing is checked.
Because Unown G only works against OPPONENT's attack (and the effects of those).
Since it's Player B's attack, there is nothing to protect.
However Player B's attack will trigger any "effects in play" like the KO from Destiny Bond, or for example the effect of the Venomoth Poke-Power.
If there is anybody reading Japanese and with access to their official ruling website, please I need your help.
Contact my so we can try to find out if this ruling should be revised (very important with BR in a few days).
Or voice you opinion in this thread.
Ruling made.
== SPIKE ARMOR (Sandslash - DP:Mysterious Treasures)
Q. If my opponent uses Sandslash's "Spike Armor" attack, but then on my turn I attack Sandslash with a Pokemon having Unown-G attached with its "GUARD" Poke-POWER, would Sandslash's "Spike Armor" be able to place any damage counters on my Pokemon or not?
A. The effect of Spike Armor is on Sandslash. The Unown G’s Poké-Power GUARD will prevent the effect of your opponent’s attacks, so you don’t put damage counters on your Active Pokémon (that has Unown G attached to it) after doing damage to Sandslash. (Sep 11, 2008 PUI Rules Team)
Q. Can Unown-G's "GUARD" Poke-POWER prevent the effect of my opponent's Froslass's "Destiny Bond" attack last turn?
A. The effect of Destiny Bond is on Frosslass. The Unown G’s Poké-Power GUARD will protect your Pokémon (that has Unown G attached to it) from being Knocked Out. (Sep 11, 2008 PUI Rules Team)
Short and simple why this ruling is wrong.
The attack of the Pokemon with Unown G attached is causing the effect, NOT the Sandslash/Froslass.
Therefor Unown G is NOT preventing anything.
Unown G equiped Pokemon are prevent effects of attacks from the opponent's Pokemon attack, but not from it's own attacks.
Or even more simple. During the turn, the Unown G equiped Pokemon attacks, Unown G doesn't even work at all. Because it only works against effects of attacks from your opponent's attacks. (and the opponent is simply not attacking)
Also found this comment on Unown G from a while ago
More interesting is thisThe attack effect is originally placed on Sandslash.
By the time damage counters are being placed, it's no longer directly an "effect of an attack on" that Pokemon and so it gets past the protection.
Holon Energy WP and Ancient Technical Machine [Ice] only prevent effects that come from attacks, not all effects in play. Trainer cards, Poké-Powers, and Poké-Bodies are not prevented by those cards.
Seems that an effect like the Sandslash/Froslass have, is more an "effect in play" after the turn ends, which will make the current ruling invalid.
EXAMPLE
Player A - attacks with Froslass Destiny Bond attack, to "any Pokemon with Unown G attached" and discards a P energy.
[P] Destiny Bond - Discard a P Energy attached to Froslass. During your opponent's next turn, if Froslass would be Knocked Out by damage from an attack, the Attacking Pokemon is Knocked Out.
At this point the opponent's Unown-G equiped Pokemon is protected from effects of attacks done by Player A it's Pokemon, so check if there are effects done to this Unown-G equiped Pokemon.
Since the effect of the attack of Player A is NOT an effect on the unown-G equiped Pokemon but on itself. Unown-G has nothing to prevent.
turn Player B
Player B attack's with the Unown-G equiped Pokemon, but nothing is checked.
Because Unown G only works against OPPONENT's attack (and the effects of those).
Since it's Player B's attack, there is nothing to protect.
However Player B's attack will trigger any "effects in play" like the KO from Destiny Bond, or for example the effect of the Venomoth Poke-Power.
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