Is Hunting for Fun Immoral? Discussion.

[toxictaipan]

You are clearly stagnant in your beliefs and way of life so proving you wrong is going to be impossible because of your combination arrogance/ignorance.

Sounds a lot like you right about now.

Do Ash and his friends eat Pokemon? I don't think so. We'd be better off in harmony with animals rather than against them.

No, but I've seen them tear into some kind of meat numerous times.

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Benzo, I was (I think) the first person to say that "Anyone who thinks killing is funny is sick in the head." I wasn't talking about an individual, but anyone and everyone all at the same time. I'm not sure if someone else used my quote or what (I reused it once in reply to you, but I still wasn't talking about you), but I didn't mean to offend anyone. I'm sorry if you were offended by my post, it wasn't intentional.
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Personally, I'm sick of hearing this crap about the environment, green house gasses, etc. HUNTING DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE ENVIRONMENT IN SUCH A NEGATIVE WAY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FACTORY FARMING, SLAUGHTERHOUSES, ETC. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT. THAT IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE AND IRRELEVANT ARGUMENT.

I agree with waynegg on just about everything he's said. Hunters are some of the most environmentally conscious people there are. The cows are going to fart and crap whether or not we all become vegetarians, so pick a stronger argument.

And this new technology crap is about as valid as someone saying we shouldn't play our PS1's because we have PS3's now.


I would also like to dig this post up that I made a while ago. Everyone needs to read it. It has to do with the enjoyment of hunting--an important part of this debate.

This is what I'm getting at. It's not the actual act of killing the animal that the hunter enjoys.

Imagine the fun you would have if you had a greenhouse. The climax of your enjoyment is not the moment you pluck the helpless plant out of the dirt, just as the climax of the hunter's enjoyment isn't the moment he takes the animals life.

 

[waynegg]

The funny part of this:

This is being discussed on a website which promotes a card game that depicts and simulates dog/rooster fighting and which is created by a company that's from a country which believes in animal rights so little, they still hunt whales. lol!

 

[Nekizalb]

Why would you hunt for fun? I see it as immoral. You are just taking the life of another creature for amusement. In my opinion, that is not a good enough reason to take the life of another creature. If you want meat, go buy it at the grocery store. If you want other stuff that comes from an animal, go buy it at Walmart. If you want amusment, go play a shooting game at an arcade.

 

[waynegg]

Why would you hunt for fun? I see it as immoral. You are just taking the life of another creature for amusement.

No. I think that's what the tree huggers don't understand. There are other forms of fun, or enjoyment, than amusement. I don't know a single hunter that shoots an animal and says or thinks, "Yeah! Take that! It's so funny to watch you die! Hahahahaha!", yet that's the picture you "people" (robots or foreigners who don't realize there are multiple meanings to words in English) keep trying to paint.

 

[DarthPika]

I read a couple of years ago that livestock emissions contribute to 18% of greenhouse gases given off - more than transportation. It is a problem.

Anyway, what are people's opinions on illegal hunting, as apposed to sustainable ( this hasn't been talked about yet ). Regardless of whether people do that here, it still goes on and lots of species have become extinct in the past from it.

This is bad info. I'm not going to slam you for it or anything since there is a LOT of bad info out there concerning Global Warming, but I would like to point out that this is incorrect. I don't know the exact number off the top of my head, but it's so small it's really not even worth comparing to CO2 emissions. This is really off topic though, so we shouldn't worry about this for the whole hunting argument.

The more beef people eat, the more beef people raise.

Do Ash and his friends eat Pokemon? I don't think so. We'd be better off in harmony with animals rather than against them.

But they eat meat frequently. What's wrong with raising beef? You can make a choice not to eat it. You shouldn't criticize others based on their decision to eat it.

BTW, stop the silly "harmony with nature" junk. Nature is NOT very harmonious. Nature is violent and uncaring. Animals don't want to live in harmony with you. Many animals will kill you given the chance. You can live in "harmony" with a crocodile if you wish. Have fun finding out just how long that lasts before it rips off your arm. :tongue:

 

[Mitsuhoney]

The cows are going to fart and crap whether or not we all become vegetarians , so pick a stronger argument.

Well it's not exactly 'rocket science' is it!!?? Less meat eaten = less demand = less cows = less methane emissions or cow farts as you put it. Let's not forget all the other associated problems too.

I would also like to dig this post up that I made a while ago. Everyone needs to read it. It has to do with the enjoyment of hunting--an important part of this debate.

Yes we keep hearing that same old line, but it doesn't make it anymore believable...

 

[calisupra2nr]

The saddest part of all of this is that we have people like Darth, Cyrus and Wayne who think hunting is natural for man. Lions hunt out of instinct, relating a human to a lion is just ridiculous. There are so many fallacies in many of the arguments for eating meat it just is way too simple minded and contradictory.

The one message I think every person should understand is that while nature does permit the hunt and the circle of life, humans are moving beyond it and we have a special place in this world. We can either be the leaders of the Earth or be a virus which continues destructive ways. Eating meat and hunting animals (especially for fun) are old ways of doing business. It really does not matter what all of these people (wayne, cyrus, darth, ryan) say because vegetarianism is spreading rapidly and we will get to that forward point in which we realize we are better than this and we do not have to kill animals to sustain ourselves. Population control is the only approach that I even see as an argument. The other garbage is totally ruined by medical studies and other factual documentations. And no Wayne you can not bring me 25 doctors that say meat is good for you for every 25 I prove you wrong with.

 

[baby mario]

This is bad info. I'm not going to slam you for it or anything since there is a LOT of bad info out there concerning Global Warming, but I would like to point out that this is incorrect. I don't know the exact number off the top of my head, but it's so small it's really not even worth comparing to CO2 emissions. This is really off topic though, so we shouldn't worry about this for the whole hunting argument.

Not saying I agree with the vegetarians here. I eat meat. Basically because I enjoy it.

But, nnaann IS getting is figures from a respectable source:

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...o-planet-than-cosub2sub-from-cars-427843.html

That 18% figure comes from a United Nations report.

I'm not getting into the whole 'OMG the UN is a giant liberal conspiracy!' stuff cos I think that's nuts, to be honest, and a lot of the anti global warming propaganda is funded by oil companies so it isn't exactly unbiased either.

www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/01/exxon-mobil-climate-change-sceptics-funding

 

[calisupra2nr]

I can tell there are plenty of members that are not OK with killing other creatures. That is what makes us different, sets us apart from a crocodile. We have the intuition to know that something may not do us harm and so we have NO reason to harm it (especially since we can have an alternative diet).

Honestly this all came around to me about a year ago and I can say that vegetarian food is just as delicious and more nutritious than anything else. Not only that, but I am far healthier in so many aspects.

 

[TOYBOX]

this thread paralyzed me from intense loling.

 

[DarthPika]

Not saying I agree with the vegetarians here. I eat meat. Basically because I enjoy it.

But, nnaann IS getting is figures from a respectable source:

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...o-planet-than-cosub2sub-from-cars-427843.html

That 18% figure comes from a United Nations report.

I'm not getting into the whole 'OMG the UN is a giant liberal conspiracy!' stuff cos I think that's nuts, to be honest, and a lot of the anti global warming propaganda is funded by oil companies so it isn't exactly unbiased either.

www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/01/exxon-mobil-climate-change-sceptics-funding

Possibly I was thinking of the one for the US only. Not that it matters...

BTW, did it ever occur to some of you that people eat meat because they enjoy it?

Falling back to the arguments used by cali... you people who are vegetarians are morally wrong for killing plants! You should rise above that and find some other way to get food! I'm sure you could get the nutrition you need with out ever needing to eat! Just take little pills! YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE TO KILL ANYTHING!!! Dosen't that just sound great?!!!!

>_>

 

[pat460]

this thread paralyzed me from intense loling.

I did as well. But to try to stop some shenanagins, which is wierd coming from me, I think, lets get back on topic. The topic is not whether people need to eat meat, nor is it whether or not eating meat is moral, or healthy, or at all related to eating meat. The topic was and still should be: Is hunting for fun immoral?

 

[Nekizalb]

BTW, did it ever occur to some of you that people eat meat because they enjoy it?

I LOVE CHEESEBURGERS!!!
I still say hunting's immoral if you are doing it just for fun and you don't need the meat or stuff for anything. I think that whenever Native Americans hunted, they did it because they needed to and therefore it wasn't immoral. But since we have invented the Grocery Store, we have all the food we need and therefore hunting is immoral if we are doing it for fun.

 

[toxictaipan]

Well it's not exactly 'rocket science' is it!!?? Less meat eaten = less demand = less cows = less methane emissions or cow farts as you put it. Let's not forget all the other associated problems too.





Yes we keep hearing that same old line, but it doesn't make it anymore believable...

Okay, you're right. There would be less demand. It's still not what we're (supposed to be) talking about. Once again, hunting doesn't cause such harm to the environment.

You keep hearing the same line but it isn't believable? How am I supposed to convice you if you won't keep an open mind about what I'm saying? Are you trying to say I'm lying? Do you think I'm covering my butt for the next time I go hunting? On my last hunting trip with my dad, after we got a deer, we both took a moment to thank it. Not all hunters are quite as heartless as you people are making them out to be.


To the health issue: If you're so concerned about the health aspect of eating meat vs. all veggies, then why aren't you causing a stink about candy bars and coke? There are so many things out there that you can eat that are much less healthy than meat.

 

[calisupra2nr]

Hunters that appreciate what they are taking a life for and do it on a limited basis are the most respectable meat eaters out there. People that go to McDonalds for their doublecheeseburger make me want to vomit and yes I was one of those at one point.

 

[pat460]

*facepalm*


THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE MORALITY OF EATING MEAT

omg I hate those threads, lets not ruin this one.

/vent

 

[waynegg]

Do Ash and his friends eat Pokemon?

Yes. Yes they do. Just watch:

So Near, Yet So Farfetch'd

And no Wayne you can not bring me 25 doctors that say meat is good for you for every 25 I prove you wrong with.

Lol! Again, making and unqualified statement doesn't prove anything. There are plenty of benefits to eating red meat as well. It just depends on which side of the coin you are looking at it from. An oncologist would be against it while a doctor from sports medicine would be all for it and both for equally valid reasons.

You are so ignorant it's unbelievable. Nothing is a definite and you should never make a statement like that because it just shows how much you don't know and how much experience you lack.

If you want meat, go buy it at the grocery store. If you want other stuff that comes from an animal, go buy it at Walmart.

Nekizalb translated: Hunting, where there are strict limits and regulations, less waste, healthier meat, and kills far fewer resources is bad. You should only get your meat and animal products where where the animals are wholesale slaughtered with few enforceable limits, where waste is massive, and where the meat is pumped full of hormones and chemicals.

Well it's not exactly 'rocket science' is it!!?? Less meat eaten = less demand = less cows = less methane emissions or cow farts as you put it. Let's not forget all the other associated problems too.

Yes because as we all know, if we ALL stopped eating beef today cows would lose the urge to reproduce and would actually magically disappear from the face of the planet...

 

[calisupra2nr]

Lol! Again, making and unqualified statement doesn't prove anything. There are plenty of benefits to eating red meat as well. It just depends on which side of the coin you are looking at it from. An oncologist would be against it while a doctor from sports medicine would be all for it and both for equally valid reasons.

You are so ignorant it's unbelievable. Nothing is a definite and you should never make a statement like that because it just shows how much you don't know and how much experience you lack.

unqualified? You are the one who said for every 25 doctors that state arguments against eating meat, you can find 25 that are for it. That is unqualified. You have 0 clue of what you are talking about and you are trying to say that there is a 1:1 ratio of doctors against and for eating meat in terms of human health. That is simply not the case. I am not being ignorant, I am being realistic. The general concensus of our doctorate community is that meat is bad for the human digestive system. This really isn't a two sides issue like your coin reference makes it out to be. There is just the side that is right for fighting for other's lives and the side that is stuck in the stone ages thinking that eating meat is good for you and that doing a rain dance will make it rain... when neither are the case. You need to get a grip on reality and move out of that rock you call your life and move on. Christ you are irritating and blind.

 

[DarthPika]

unqualified? You are the one who said for every 25 doctors that state arguments against eating meat, you can find 25 that are for it. That is unqualified. You have 0 clue of what you are talking about and you are trying to say that there is a 1:1 ratio of doctors against and for eating meat in terms of human health. That is simply not the case. I am not being ignorant, I am being realistic. The general concensus of our doctorate community is that meat is bad for the human digestive system. This really isn't a two sides issue like your coin reference makes it out to be. There is just the side that is right for fighting for other's lives and the side that is stuck in the stone ages thinking that eating meat is good for you and that doing a rain dance will make it rain... when neither are the case. You need to get a grip on reality and move out of that rock you call your life and move on. Christ you are irritating and blind.

Can you please just stop? You are ruining what other wise was a very pleasant debate. Look, if your going to make such statements as eating meat isn't good for us, PROVE it. I'm not asking you personally to prove it, but please give a good scholarly article on it that explains it. As far as I've ever known, we digest meat a heck of a lot better than plants.

Hunting for your own meat is fine but going to McDonalds isn't? What? :/ That makes no sense at all. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, and I would really like it if you would stop posting in this thread unless you can keep a more civil tone, and are willing to keep a more open mind.

As I said before, eating meat is a choice. No one is forcing you to do so, don't bash those that chose to eat it.

 

[Nobodys]

Yes. Yes they do. Just watch:

So Near, Yet So Farfetch'd

Lol I remember that episode! So let's talk about Nintendo's hypocrisy. Eating Spearow or Pidgey = wrong. Eating Farfetch'd = delicious with leeks. WHA?

New question (for mods) - is locking this thread for fun immoral? (I hope the answer is yes).

Hunting > Slaughterhouses.