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Is there such a thing as God?

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I think that he's trying to say that because the BB theory is proved, God can't exist. (I didn't look at the link yet)

Now I really haven't kept track of this thread, but I know earlier people were saying that God works through nature (they were, right?), so why couldn't the Big Bang be God working through nature to create the universe? There was a really good episode on the History Channel that showed how all of the plagues in Exodus were natural events, as well as the parting of the Reed Sea. So the big bang theory really does nothing to disprove God's existence.
 
The 'Big-Bang' theory could be seen/interpreted in the Biblical account of God saying 'let there be light' and of the hiryangarbha creation myths found in the Upanishads and other similar works.
 
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FWIW, big bang theory and Islam are definitely compatible, so assume it is the same for the other Abrahamic religions?
 
@dogma does 'mainstream' Islam believe in repetive creation as an entirety?

I quote the following:

...'Or Who originates Creation, then repeats it...' 27:64 (Quran-An-Naml)

'...See they not how God originates creation, then repeats it...' 29:19 (Quran-Al-'Ankabut)

As far as 'big-bang' or theory of 'spontaneous manifestation of creation' goes I quote the following:

...To God is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth...' 2:117 (Quran-Al-Baqarah)

...'Surely, when God intends a thing, His Command is, "Be" and it is!...' 36:82 (Quran-Ya Sin)
 
You know ridiculous amounts about religions!

I looked up an accepted Tafsir - exegesis (or putting it simply, essentially a commentary) for the first two verses.

The repetition referred to is that after this life, there will be another life in the Hereafter.

36:82 is an important verse (and other verses are similar). The importance arises from that fact that it is taken as further demonstration that Allah's powers are absolute. And yes, such verses have been taken to be compatible with the Big Bang. I think the Big Bang was a theory proposed by Islamic scientists long ago (but obviously without the rigour of today's scientists)
 
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@dogma Yes the repetitive creation in the sense of something of the Last Day is found in I believe 14:48 where there is mention of a new earth and heaven.

How long ago did Islamic Scholars propose a theory anologous to the big-bang theory? I know that Shavite Pandits have the theory of the binda which is the infitemesal dot or point of origin that had spread out the devayantra or map of creation. Were the Muslim Scholars also aware of the enormous size of heavenly bodies as the Nakastra-Pandits were?
 
Well you can't prove there is a God and you can't prove there isn't a God.
However with looking how everything is intricately made in this universe many people believe there is a God. Honestly I hope there really is a purpose and a reason behind everything.
 
@homeofmew the 'purpose and reason' behind everything thing is for the 'amusement' of God and God alone everything else is finite and perishable. This is a Truth as terrible as it may sound to self-centered creatures it is a Truth nonetheless.
 
I think amusement is a poor word, there. Here's how I look at it: if God is indeed without sin, then it stands to reason that He alone is worthy of eternal praise. Therefore, all of His creation exists to bring glory to Himself.
 
@SuperWooper that is why I had put the word amusement as 'amusement'. I honestly don't think anything can add, subtract, multiply or divide any 'glory' from God.

I have read That: 'In fact, the theory of some jurists is that the origin of law, as creative of obligations and rights, is to be found in a primordial covenant (mithaqi-azali) entered into between man and God at the beginning of creation, when the spirits of future humanity are suposed to have vowed allegiance to God, and God to have promised to create the world for their use and enjoyment.' Vol.I Islamic Jurisprudence (Fundamentals of Islamic Jurisprudence) pg. 144 edited by Muhammad Razi.

This would imply there is a trade of agreement between God and God's most valued creation, us prior to actual creation itself and that creation was the result of the contract/covenant that gave the world to us as real-estate that remains in our name as long as we vow allegiance to God. I find this of signfigance due to the implication of a 'Subtle/spiritual existence prior to the 'Gross/coarse creation. This is however merely the opinion of some mujtahids and is not of scriptual binding authority and is to explain more the reason behind the origin of Shariah than that of Creation itself.
 
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I think amusement is a poor word, there. Here's how I look at it: if God is indeed without sin, then it stands to reason that He alone is worthy of eternal praise. Therefore, all of His creation exists to bring glory to Himself.
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This is interesting, because this a very common theme in Islam also

Will, your knowledge is now starting to scare me :thumb: (Did you study religions at university or something?)
 
dogma said:
This is interesting, because this a very common theme in Islam also

Will, your knowledge is now starting to scare me :thumb: (Did you study religions at university or something?)
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Self taught since I was 10:smile: One can never know too much about theology:cool: No I went to college for like a year but dropped because my life was and still is a bit busy + college is pricey:eek::mad:
 
^ You are entitled to make that statement, but IMO that statement neither proves or disproves the existance of a God. Saying that God "allows bad things to happen" IMO is a way for someone to make a person or being to take the blame for unfortunit causes of pain or death. God "allows man to govern himself", thus leaving the option for us to choose what is right and to believe in our hearts what is correct. In God's original plan, all things where to be done His way. His way was an order to keep His creation safe, alive, and happy. Something to care for, to share His greatness, intelligance, and love. If a person is asking why would God allow bad things to happen, the answers are already accessable through His written word. God's plan was disrupted. Man chose to seek out the truth for himself, instead of trusting and believing His creator. Man found the answer, and through disobiediance, sinned, and thus was left to make the choice of continuing to respect and obey his creator. The penalty for disobiediance is death. With death being a slow decline of life, ( well, not any more since murder was introduced early after man was tossed out of Eden )- imperfection is pain. God did not create death- he created life. God has the right to end life, and His Son ended his life to give us all a second chance. If God allowed pain and suffering in the very start, then we would not have been created perfect in the first place. everything we endure and suffer now is through imperfection. Death being the finale result and our current destination, it is going to hurt, ( emotional as well ) and we are valunerable to all the imperfection that surrounds us every day.
 
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Well you can't prove there is a God and you can't prove there isn't a God.
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Well actually, using Einstein's Theory that matter can be neither created nor can it be destroyed when coupled with the Big Bang Theory proves just that. As all the matter of the universe had to first 'be' before it could Bang, rational thinking will lead you down the path of true enlightenment to only one plausible conclusion. A consciousness with much more understanding and knowledge as well as having complete dominion over everything had to make everything come to be in the first place.

Whether it's through evolution and/or creationism that we came to exist is completely irrelevant. The fact that we 'are' and that everything else 'is', when traced to its very roots, leads back to only one source. God.

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if g-d exists why would kids get ***** murdered die of disease/starvation
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You must have missed the whole test of faith part. We were made to suffer and to be tempted by that which detracts from God. Only after persevering with your faith intact have you proven yourself worthy to inherit the Kingdom. It's all about Faith. I would gladly suffer through losses for ±100 years so as to not suffer greatly for all eternity.
 
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i asked god for a bike...but i knew he didnt work that way. so i stole a bike and asked for his forgiveness.
 
GoStop said:
i asked god for a bike...but i knew he didnt work that way. so i stole a bike and asked for his forgiveness.
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Funny, but it doesn't quite work that way. You have to be truly repentant which includes making reparations. In this case returning or replacing the bike.
 
GoStop said:
im confused. omg17chractersishardtotype
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Really...really? You can't just go take someone's property, knowing it is wrong on top of it all, ask for forgiveness and poof it's gone. If you haven't returned the bike or replaced it if you damaged/lost it, then you are still actively engaged in theft...

You would not get to keep the bike like some kind of my-hands-are-clean reward.
 
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