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Benzo
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@weavile#1- I do not think that God came from nothing. I do not think that our existance came to be from some cosmic big bang either. Look at the odds we face everyday in staying alive. Without some kind of order, we all would be just fumble-bumbling around due to the lack of order and intellagence. If God was created by a big bang 1in a bazillion million triillion chances of a bunch of random stuff slamming together and creating something intellagent just so that in return it can create or duplicate the same "accident". If God is just floating around, then he would be at the mercy of some cosmic collision that could react to turning into another event that would change the current state of existance that is to be, or has been already established. God is in the heavens, and the heavens is located in the universe. If even a black hole where to swoop by and destroy that location, we are subject to the same volnerable possability. But there is way too much order, and way to much intelligence behind everything logic and emotional, spiritual and flesh to simply toss aside that God is a homeless being that just so happened to be smart enough to keep our world from floating around like specs of dust in a chaotic universe where everything is left to "chance survivle" and existance.
@wynegg-nice points made. We are the "property" of our creator. Some being tried to "steal us"-( create question with lies by sparking curiosity which led to sin)- thus, we are the repentative ones who wish to seek redemption to gain the promised rewards that God has offered in return for our repentence and devotion. No one can realy cause us to sin on purpose but ourselves- for we have the choice to sin or not. If God did not exist, then why do we have an emotional desire to be repentive? A big bang theory can not be responsable for creating a conscience, for if it did then the big bang theaory would be able to have a living conscience as well, then it could duplicate that if it was a perfect thing and pass it along with that "chance" that happened 1 in a bazillion trillion million oppotunity that created our existance.
@wynegg-nice points made. We are the "property" of our creator. Some being tried to "steal us"-( create question with lies by sparking curiosity which led to sin)- thus, we are the repentative ones who wish to seek redemption to gain the promised rewards that God has offered in return for our repentence and devotion. No one can realy cause us to sin on purpose but ourselves- for we have the choice to sin or not. If God did not exist, then why do we have an emotional desire to be repentive? A big bang theory can not be responsable for creating a conscience, for if it did then the big bang theaory would be able to have a living conscience as well, then it could duplicate that if it was a perfect thing and pass it along with that "chance" that happened 1 in a bazillion trillion million oppotunity that created our existance.
ryanvergel
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_Dalai Lama in
for you, dogma
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:lol: (assuming that was a mistake)
I kinda agree. I know that scientists would argue that this is by definition wrong because their world view is guided by rationality alone, but there are huge gaps in that rationality currently, and a leap of faith is required.
Then you get people like Dawkins (which tempts me to agree wholeheartedly with what the Dalai Lama says) :nonono:
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ryanvergel
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it was haha. a funny typo though!
Benzo
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@lucario aura- If that is what YOUR understanding of my post, you can see it that way. God does not hold those accountable for sins WHO HAVE YET TO UNDERSTAND HIS word. Or are even old enough to comprehand what it is to sin, or even to sin on purpose. You can not simply tell a baby who is fluently speaking in their native language " Oh, now that you can speak, you understand everything, so , go and be on your way"- Ignorance of anyone who thinks that a child who is younger then 2 that can fully be prepaired to answer for themselves before God to be judged who has even yet been potty trained. Heck, even a two year old is not able to be on there own- (neener)hmm, I wonder why the age of 18 in our country was selected to be an age considererable to be an adult- (sarcasm included), and that is MAN"S "Law"- so if man says 18, man must be correct in believing a certain age is reasonable to hold someone acountable for being responsable for their actions. Even with what I just stated- some states even say 15 year olds can be held accountable for their actions in the court of law. I do not know a single 2 year old EVER who has been held accountable for anything at the level when it comes to God.
P_A
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I'm afraid you are oversimplifying this a bit. I don't believe this is what Benzo was saying. He's saying that if that indeed happens, it's "mankind's" fault, or the original opposer who is currently the ruler of this system of thing's fault. God is righteous, and cannot be involved with unrighteousness. He doesn't specifically take the lives away, unless those ones are under judgement by him. Among examples in the bible, we can find that the ancient world before the flood was under judgement by him, along with those in Sodom and Gomorrah (spelling?). Also those destroyed at the future guaranteed Armageddon are said to be under his judgement. This isn't a war that happens from mankind starting a nuclear war, but the direct result of a decision by God to destroy the wicked. However all the bad things that have happened, resulting in pain, heartache, bad consequences and ultimately death in this system of things, as a result of mankinds original sin have come about as a result of that original opposer, and the willful sin of our original human parents. God allows this to go on, but doesn't support it, or authorize it. In fact He says this will be a thing of the past where the idea will never even come up into mind. You personally may blame God for the attrocities that have happened for the last few thousand years, but that doesn't mean you're correct in your assumptions. Many children from the dawn of time have blamed parents for one thing or another without cause. However coming to know the real facts behind decisions made will go a long way to learning the truth of a matter. I implore you to learn why things are as they are instead of just allowing yourself to form an opinion without the full facts. Jehovah's Witnesses are active in every nation on earth teaching people from the bible, reasoning from the scriptures, helping people to come to a better understanding of God's purposes, and the future of mankind. Ask one the next time they come by any of the questions that have been brought up in this thread. If you truly want the answers, and are willing to hear the bible's viewpoint, you might learn something new. The Apostle John was inspired to write at John 17:3 "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ." So your eternal welfare is at stake, whether you want to believe it or not, depending upon your decision here. Will you learn about Him, and Jesus ..... or not?
Edit: Yes, I guess I can come forward and say that I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I wish I knew as much today as I did years ago regarding religion, God, and the bible, but my mind isn't as sharp as it once was, and I can't say my attendance at the meetings is as strong as it once was. However I have many publications at my disposal from different sources to help if I need it. I don't know much of Hinduism, or Muslim religions, but I have had some experience with "Christian" religions. And since I'm a firm believer in the bible, I tend to repudiate evolution. However I will never try to force anyone to "believe" in something against their will. If God draws you to learn about him, then it's to his glory. In fact I would be a terrible person to look to for answers, and to emulate. But in any case I hope you do find your way to learning about God. I can't stress the importance of doing so enough.
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Benzo
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A lot of people blame God for many causes of death. Our imperfection is to blame for many causes of death. How can we expect something imperfect to produce something perfect? All we are perfect at is being exactly that: imperfect.
@P_A- Nothing wrong in holding a conversation with anyone who is interested in looking for answers. If a person can answer a question from the heart, and if that person has God in there heart, then the question is answered in the best way possable. If a person is looking to God for an answer, and has gone through the proper channle (His son), then the result a person can expect is one that will lead them to the correct answer to the question. Christ sat at tables with sinners of all extremes, He never turned His attention away from, nor deprived them the same level of respect to those who saught the knowlage of His Father. Man is the only deterant from the Heavenly Father. Satan is the source of providing man with false information that further leads man away from his creator. All who seek the answers of what God realy has to say, they have resources, and all that is needed is to ask and look around. God is there, you can not see Him without an open heart. And an open mind will keep you peaceful among others who are seeking the best answers to the questions they have.
@gostop- I can do that in assistance to P_A although he can handle himself, but he was simply making a comment to what he believed I was saying, which was spot on for 90% of what I was saying: 1) Ask 2) God 3) for 4) the 5) answer.
@P_A- Nothing wrong in holding a conversation with anyone who is interested in looking for answers. If a person can answer a question from the heart, and if that person has God in there heart, then the question is answered in the best way possable. If a person is looking to God for an answer, and has gone through the proper channle (His son), then the result a person can expect is one that will lead them to the correct answer to the question. Christ sat at tables with sinners of all extremes, He never turned His attention away from, nor deprived them the same level of respect to those who saught the knowlage of His Father. Man is the only deterant from the Heavenly Father. Satan is the source of providing man with false information that further leads man away from his creator. All who seek the answers of what God realy has to say, they have resources, and all that is needed is to ask and look around. God is there, you can not see Him without an open heart. And an open mind will keep you peaceful among others who are seeking the best answers to the questions they have.
@gostop- I can do that in assistance to P_A although he can handle himself, but he was simply making a comment to what he believed I was saying, which was spot on for 90% of what I was saying: 1) Ask 2) God 3) for 4) the 5) answer.
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P_A
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Real words? Ummm, no. :biggrin: But then I'm known to be very long winded. How about this:
Learn the truth of God.
Or how about:
God is love - not mankind.
Hey, I tried.
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Benzo
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@P_A- (you know my intentions on this, if you take this in the wrong way- ask- )- You "guess" you can state your affiliation with an orginization? Is that a hint of fear of being made fun of, or a bad way of wording that claim? Also, for you to say that you are a "terrible person to look to for answers"- why belittle yourself with the knowlage you possess?
I could be way off, and maybe stepping pass a boundry on this- but it is better to get an understanding to something someone has said then to assume the intentions of others in their wording.
I could be way off, and maybe stepping pass a boundry on this- but it is better to get an understanding to something someone has said then to assume the intentions of others in their wording.
P_A
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Oh, no worries Benzo. I suppose I just worded it poorly. I'm no more embarrassed by my affiliation with Jehovah's Witnesses than I am with pokemon. I tell everyone I know about both parts of my life, and strangers too. However sometimes it just doesn't come up in conversation, that's all. This is actually the first time in my history here where it came up where it wasn't a private convo with another person. However I'm a very open and outgoing person - as you know.
I say I'm a terrible person to look to for answers, since I feel somewhat factually challenged at times. I sincerely try to have honest, utterly truthful knowledge of "facts" yet I find myself to be lacking in many aspects. As I grow older, along with a health problem I have, I feel less and less confident. I feel much more secure in using the information at my fingertips than my possibly faulty brain. I research things well at times. Read from that what you will.
Perhaps that may have a bearing upon my decision at the moment to believe in an all powerful, wonderful creator, Jehovah God, because I am puny and insignificant and do not deserve his loving kindness, but that was not why I originally was drawn to believe in Him. I just hope people learn about Him, and if I can help, ... I'm willing to try.
K d Gg, did you forget where you were or something buddy? This is the Random Topic Forum on a pokemon forum. Most topics if they are tasteful can be talked about here. Hey, you'd be surprised on some of the subjects discussed at times.
I say I'm a terrible person to look to for answers, since I feel somewhat factually challenged at times. I sincerely try to have honest, utterly truthful knowledge of "facts" yet I find myself to be lacking in many aspects. As I grow older, along with a health problem I have, I feel less and less confident. I feel much more secure in using the information at my fingertips than my possibly faulty brain. I research things well at times. Read from that what you will.
Perhaps that may have a bearing upon my decision at the moment to believe in an all powerful, wonderful creator, Jehovah God, because I am puny and insignificant and do not deserve his loving kindness, but that was not why I originally was drawn to believe in Him. I just hope people learn about Him, and if I can help, ... I'm willing to try.
K d Gg, did you forget where you were or something buddy? This is the Random Topic Forum on a pokemon forum. Most topics if they are tasteful can be talked about here. Hey, you'd be surprised on some of the subjects discussed at times.
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Benzo
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^correct. We are not deserving of His love, unless we act upon showing love to Him in the first place. "Undeserved" IMO is a harsh word. You do not deserve something unless you have done something to deserve it in the first place. It is "undeserved" in the meaning ( tmu) that it is there, but you have to find it. To be factually challanged is to say that any information you have is "doubtable" IMO, for if you have God in your heart, then any information you pass on to others is "factual" because the intention of passing on such information is from the heart which in turn is linked to God. A person who truely loves God will not pass along incorrect information to others, for God will intervein, for it is not rightouse for a person to pass along wrongful information unless they do not have God in their heart and is intentionaly misleading the other person. Information about God is everywhere, to get a better understanding of it, you must ask questions. What you hear will assist you in making personal choices. Once a person dedicates their life to God- you claim responsabilitiy to answer to God alone. You make a promise to God that you will do the best you can in your imperfect existance that you will do right by His word, follow His Son's example, and be truely repentative of your sins. also, that when others ask, you ask God to guide you in the conversation. Anyone can give advice- but advice is not what a person needs when it comes to finding God. Directon is best. I say that because directoin lets people choose for themselves what is right and wrong. It is free will that man has that is compromiserable that leaves too much room for imperfection to lead us in the wrong path in finding God. An open heart,mind,prayer, and a personal relationship with God is the only solid path I can think of if one seeks happiness and everlasting life, like God's original plan. It is out there and for the taking, and to stand alone with the support of others who do not judge you or have control of what is in the best interest of the group. ( I believe that we are created equel, thus no man has authority over others and it is imperfection that allowes man to desire or take charge over others because some fallen angle decided that it would be cool to make others feel "more important " over others and that they deserve it or have earned it- a form of slavery imo)
If you know about Biocentrism, the universe cannot exist without any observers. The universe MUST have had to change itself, for it's own existence. The universe is left up to chance. Do you have proof that the heavens are in the universe? A black hole will suck up the Earth eventually. God won't "save" us then. Just because something like a black hole doesn't happen, you just assume God is "protecting" us?
Benzo
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^ not assuming, making a logical statement that if something created something else, it would want to protect it, if it cared about it's creation. But it could be argued back that God created, then left. I simply think that there is too much order in the design in something created. If it is something that came to be is by a "fluke" or chance, then we are the the mercy of another "fluke" or chance happening again. Where would we be at that point? An accidental coming into existance, and then "poof" non existant? Your right to say that in order for something to exist, it must have observation to be recognized as existing. Because the "heavens" have not been located by man, then yes, it can be considered to be non existant. But why would a creator want his creation whom he gave a home to already want to show us his home? We goofed up this home, I would not want that braught into my home. Proof? an every day request from those who have no belief. Your entitled to believe what you want. I simply said that God has a home that man labled as "heaven", and thus it exist's, even if it is in the realm of belief from with in a persons mind.
P_A
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I have no knowledge of Biocentrism, but the bible assures us that the earth will last forever, when it says that the meek will reside upon it forever. God's plan for the earth, the universe, and mankind has not changed from when they were created. He has every intention of bringing us back to perfection here on earth, with all of his creation glorifying Him. He will not allow a black hole to swallow us up - his word the bible assures us of that. Not specifically of course, but if humans are going to live on this earth "forever," obviously he will make sure nothing will harm the earth to the point of a life endangering event. Since all of His promises and prophecies have come true, you can have every confidence in his promises for the future.
AbsentGravity
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I was going to jump into this before I saw there were 13 pages of posts...
...I don't even know where to start @ this point
...I don't even know where to start @ this point
Maybe, in the near future hopefully, we can have a time machine that would allow us to do that. If we travel at the speed of light, we can literally go to the ends of the universe in a couple of steps. Time would stop for you only. Also, if you travel at 99% of light, you will have aged 10 years while everyone else would have aged 70 years. For even more time travel, if we travel at 99.999999999% of light, when 1 years passes for us, 223 centuries will pass for everyone else. You can find this in in Biocentrism by Robert Lanza, MD and Bob Berman.
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