Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Is your JUDGING IMPARTIAL?

My judging is perfect. I don't got easy on friends or hard on people i hate, i'm always the same. I always try and give the most correct answer for the situation.
 
PokemonSteve said:
My judging is perfect. I don't got easy on friends or hard on people i hate, i'm always the same. I always try and give the most correct answer for the situation.
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Heh, the only perfect judge is one who doesn't judge very much.
 
"My judging is perfect"

You take any of the top judges, any of them, and they will never make such a lofty cry!

I am NEVER going to claim my judging is perfect - it is the best it can be.

It is impartial, it is fair.

Do judges make mistakes? Yep.

Do all judges make mistakes? Yep.

Do GREAT judges - (TEGO) admit to their mistakes? Yep.

Heck, I am glad I was not the judge in Memphis, for my take on a situation was not only wrong, upon looking at precedent it was CLEARLY WRONG.....Luckily the HJ/PTO there made the CORRECT ruling...

If anything, my stating my opinion afterwards clearly showed one thing...I am more than capable of being WRONG!!!

We do our best...it is all we can do.

Vince
 
Thanks Tina,

that does raise a dilemma when I'm HJ. It gives my own children no right of appeal.

A similar thing must occur when I'm the only Judge, everyone else is actually in the tournament.
 
Gives your children no right of appeal?

If you have trained and supervised your judges...you should be OK.

But yeah, it cuts you in a corner sometimes.

M45
 
I always try to do my best. But I do make mistakes, not often fortunately. However I'm most likely to make a mistake at the end of a long day when my concentration is wanning: just when it is needed most. That never seems to be particularly fair on ither the players or the staff. Pity we can't start the day with the finals when all the staff are nice and fresh!

M45: It is very common in the uk for the TO to be the only staffer.
So my concern is that someone may print out Mikes' post and start waving it under my nose saying that I can't judge my own children. My only response will be to encourage them to write to or email POP if they remain unhappy. I can't foresee the local situation changing much in the near future.
 
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NoPoke said:
I always try to do my best. But I do make mistakes, not often fortunately. However I'm most likely to make a mistake at the end of a long day when my concentration is wanning: just when it is needed most. That never seems to be particularly fair on ither the players or the staff. Pity we can't start the day with the finals when all the staff are nice and fresh!

M45: It is very common in the uk for the TO to be the only staffer.
So my concern is that someone may print out Mikes' post and start waving it under my nose saying that I can't judge my own children. My only response will be to encourage them to write to or email POP if they remain unhappy. I can't foresee the local situation changing much in the near future.
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If you are the ONLY Judge, then you will be forced to make a ruling involving your kids. To do otherwise would allow the oppo. to "rules lawyer" and keep your kids from having the "benefit" of a judge to rule properly on those matches. Most people will be able to figure out very quickly if you are biased or not. I know on local "fun" tourneys where it is just league members playing (and I am the only judge); all the players know I will judge fairly and if it involves my son, it will be no different.

Keith
 
Ian, IMO if others aren't willing to step up to the plate and HELP OUT so there IS a second judge to go to, they've got NO justification to complain in that situation.

What are your kids SUPPOSED to do, not play _just in case_ you MIGHT have to make a ruling on one of their matches, in the name of 'fairness'? How is that fair to _them_?

'mom =/
 
SD PokéMom said:
Ian, IMO if others aren't willing to step up to the plate and HELP OUT so there IS a second judge to go to, they've got NO justification to complain in that situation.

What are your kids SUPPOSED to do, not play _just in case_ you MIGHT have to make a ruling on one of their matches, in the name of 'fairness'? How is that fair to _them_?

'mom =/
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Others maybe more willing to step up to the plate if as TO's we had some Judge Support to offer them :(

This year the CC's have no Judge Support and without any headcount bounty either we are fighting for players to help pay for a venue.

I know this gives me another dilema too.. do I encourage Judges to play so I can use their entry fee to offset costs and as I have nothing to pay them with other than what comes from my pocket avoid more cash drain too or do I encourage them to judge even if there is nothing in it for them?

If you get one staff promo for working all day at UK Nationals and no player goody bag or promos why oh why would you judge rather than play? You get more as a player than a judge therefore the majority will play.

I keep being told that the UK has a competitive judge team which is true but if offered the right rewards many would choose to judge rather than play.. at the moment here we're rewarded far more for playing than judging or TOing
 
Pardon me?!! Let me ask this: Is this due to the local distributor being cheap, or because he's trying to encourage more players? Either way - he will lose them. The fact of the matter is, without any judges and tournament organizers to do what they do, the tournaments will be non-existant. How can you guys keep on doing this without being fairly compensated? I guess you must all have your leagues at Burger King, right? (Inside joke there, by the way.) I'll probably be the first to admit that the judge support and "headcount bounty" for judges, TO's and PTO's here in North America may seem a bit excessive, though I have to agree it has benefitted me. But when the TO's from other countries are treated in this fashion, that's certainly not fair.
 
P_A said:
Pardon me?!! Let me ask this: Is this due to the local distributor being cheap, or because he's trying to encourage more players? Either way - he will lose them. The fact of the matter is, without any judges and tournament organizers to do what they do, the tournaments will be non-existant. How can you guys keep on doing this without being fairly compensated? I guess you must all have your leagues at Burger King, right? (Inside joke there, by the way.) I'll probably be the first to admit that the judge support and "headcount bounty" for judges, TO's and PTO's here in North America may seem a bit excessive, though I have to agree it has benefitted me. But when the TO's from other countries are treated in this fashion, that's certainly not fair.
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Our LD tells us we should get the same level of support as the US does... What we don't know is just what a TO gets for a CC in the states?

The kit in the UK is:

* 1 box of Boosters per age group - 3 boxes total or 98 packs
* 3 Goody Bags loaded with stuff
* POP series 2 Boosters
* CC Promos
* CC Badges

Are you saying there should be a booster box for Judge and TO support too just like last year?
 
ukpokemonpro said:
Our LD tells us we should get the same level of support as the US does... What we don't know is just what a TO gets for a CC in the states?

The kit in the UK is:

* 1 box of Boosters per age group - 3 boxes total or 98 packs
* 3 Goody Bags loaded with stuff
* POP series 2 Boosters
* CC Promos
* CC Badges

Are you saying there should be a booster box for Judge and TO support too just like last year?
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This kind of information is best discussed in the Professor Forums on the POP boards.
 
Or through pm. I was going to suggest the same thing Pokepop. Let's just say Ben that your CC box differs from mine.
 
ukpokemonpro said:
It has struck me reading the other posts on Nationals Captain for Franch and the Elitism post that we as judges have to be very careful to maintain our impartiality.

So the questions I would like to ask you are:

  1. What happens when a Judge who is a member of a secret team judges a match between a secret team member and another player?
  2. What happens when or if all the judges have a vested interest?
  3. Do they declare it or do they keep quiet?
  4. Who judges the judges and their impartiality?
Even with the best will in the world how do we keep impartial when a match involves a player from our team?
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Real mature buddy.
 
PokeWisconsin said:
Real mature buddy.
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3 pages on and that is all you can add? Guess my take on maturity is different to some other people. Certainly I think this thread and the others spurned from these posts have help clarify positions and clear the air?

If that is not mature in your opinion then I can only say I disagree as is my opinion and that I gues is a little more mature than one line at the end of debate that has been at the very least cathartic in my opinion.

Way to make a point PokeWisconsin...
 
If a judge in that position would want to show true impartiality, I'd say they'd have to either:-
i) admit to being on a team with that person to the HJ (in confidence), and get the HJ to oversee that match.
ii) be a GOOD judge, and just make sure they are as impartial as possible.

It is difficult to be impartial with friends/team members. But a truely good judge should just stick to their guns IMO. Make the correct ruling, and if there is further enquiry, inform the HJ, who has the final ruling.

I feel the true judge of the Judges and HJs is the TO. They make the decisions on who judges in the end, and if they feel that someone is being partial to a player or group of players, they can choose to not let them judge. Or they can become the HJ themself.

Its really an issue of trust, and yes, there will be some who exploit that trust. But you should keep trusting anyway.

JMHO,
PokeGuru
 
It may not be easy to be impartial but I certainly don't believe that it is difficult to be impartial.

However it is much harder to appear impartial when team allegiances are known or worse suspected. Suspicion is often more damaging than the reality.
 
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