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Jake Shpringman's apology

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I addressed your points in my first paragraph >_>
And you're still being condescending, so much for compassion and patience, huh.

my point is: if POP did an investigation, like they said they do, to collect evidence against jake, they would have a heap of other evidence.
reasons i dont think they did an investigation:
they didnt contact jake before the ban(biased =\)
they dont have any other bans(i know people linked to jake's ban did alot worse)
i know of other things people have told POP that are pretty big violations, and nothing has been done.(which makes me think POP is really just biased, and only gets evidence when they want to, and only looks at evidence when they want to)
 
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ryanvergel said:
too late. they already have quite a few others who did the same thing as jake, the only difference is that they aren't being punished. like pheonixsong said the other day, if you're going to try to uphold some "spirit of the game" then alot more people need to get banned.
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Well if more people want to send me pokemon links masked as porn i'll warn the pokemon community of those people as well, and then you wont be able to complain about unfair bans when they happen.

Drift.
 
AXE said:
Who else hear thinks "'mom" should take a chill pill for once in her life and just drop it. instead of continuing the argument for arguments sake.
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Do you honestly think that Mom is alone in her opinion on the topic? No.

Do you think that she's the sole reason the topic has continued for so long? No.

I honestly don't see how any of that has anything to do with the topic at hand.
 
GymLeaderPhil said:
Do you honestly think that Mom is alone in her opinion on the topic? No.

Do you think that she's the sole reason the topic has continued for so long? No.

I honestly don't see how any of that has anything to do with the topic at hand.
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No what else has nothing to do with the topic at hand? Mom being sarcastic and telling me to look up words, insulting my intelligence ~_~

"get it, yet?"

not to mention her entire attitude towards people who have a different opinion "love it or leave it".
 
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Deleted......sheeesh chill a little!
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Mozz You got PWNED. TO think you'd be getting Edited on the Mozzgym... Sheesh , thats harsh.
 
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Squirtle said:
Mozz You got PWNED. TO think you'd be getting Edited on the Mozzgym... Sheesh , thats harsh.




Mike , I agree that what Jake did was stupid. Now personally , I would like to see him at worlds. I dont know jake that much. But what I do know is that what he did was a crime. And that whoever gave him the link cimtted a crime. Contributin to the Delinquice of a minor ( Not teh exact name seeing as I cannot type) But thast where it all comes down to. Thast the facts. You cannot argue with that.





SE: We may disagree on some points , but the fact fo teh matter is , No one except a handful of people know who put jake up to it. Myself. All I know are some facts that neo hated jake and wanted him out of the game. CircumstantialEvidence , Nothign more , nothing less.

Take your stance


Another thing to consider is maybe jake got off easy.If eh was over 18 and sending porn link to people under at the F.B.I would be involved and jake would be in jail. Think about it.
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pm me with who you think sent in squirtle, i want to find out, since i'm on neo
 
AXE: Noooooooo. As much as some of us may agree with you. Disrespect fo a mod ( And as far as my knowledge goes she still is) will get you a ban.


Ryan: Just drop ti. Its over. He is banend and thats all there is too it.
 
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storm said:
I want to tell you what happened behind the scenes, so this will not repeat itself with someone else. So one day I got an IM from a person who says he's a member of NEO, and gave me a list of people who they said I should [trick], for this, I was promised access to the secret section of NEO which discusses deck ideas. This was a terrible mistake. I asked, “What does [tricking] mean?” They replied that it means masking a link with a specific site that I found the link for on the public areas of NEO.
They were all on NEO, and to check this I went on the site to confirm this, and it was true. All I knew is that they were on NEO, and that the "[trick]" joke was on basically every other post, I knew that they knew what it was I was doing and that they wouldn't get upset.
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OK i asked some people on NEO, they said this is a lie people from NEO did not put jake up to this. I am only bringing this subject up again because i do not want even more people thinking NEO is a bad site.


I agree with sd_pokemom on everything, jakes should not get to attend Pokemon World 2005 Championships as an result of his actions.

i thought the IP ban was to prevent banned people from viewing pokegym. Why is jake allowed to view and post, or is it just because he was posting his apologies?

sorry jake you do the crime you do the time.=/
 
That really angry Pikachu avatar of 'Mom's probably makes her posts read with "attitude".
 
ryanvergel said:
I addressed your points in my first paragraph >_>
And you're still being condescending, so much for compassion and patience, huh.

my point is: if POP did an investigation, like they said they do, to collect evidence against jake, they would have a heap of other evidence.
reasons i dont think they did an investigation:
they didnt contact jake before the ban(biased =\)
they dont have any other bans(i know people linked to jake's ban did alot worse)
i know of other things people have told POP that are pretty big violations, and nothing has been done.(which makes me think POP is really just biased, and only gets evidence when they want to, and only looks at evidence when they want to)
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How do you know what evidence POP has and what amount of it? How do you know what POP Policies and Procedures are?

Do you honestly know why POP doesn't contact a person under investigation? What would occur when that person knows that an investigation is going on? They could and quite possibly would get in the way of that investigation. Not saying that Jake or anyone else would, but it could happen.

These people aren't just twiddling their thumbs and throwing darts at the POP ID Database to decide who gets suspended this month. They aren't being biased, hell I'll assume that if they had evidence to get those also involved with the prank suspended they would, if they were deemed troublemakers as well.
 
Mk well i just read through this all and heres my opinion.

In reality Pokemon is pretty much a children's(early teen's) game. Also in reality, most reasonable people give children and teen's 2nd chances to redeem themselves. In a game that has so many children and teens, I believe that 2nd chances should be given to the players.

I am speaking with Jake right now and he is telling me that his dad did post this, but that Jake himself wrote a good chunk of it. I don't quite see why he would lie to me so I'm sure its true.

I can understand why Nintendo wouldn't want parents to hear about people sending porn links to others but would Nintendo want people to hear a story about a 14 year old boy's dreams being crushed for a simple mistake that he made? And not being given another chance when there was no offense made prior to this?

It really annoys me to see some members of neo trying to get Jake banned and keep him banned just because Jakes annoys them, because if they truly felt what he did was wrong they wouldnt take part in a lot of the things neo does.

Jake is truly sorry and I think he should be given a 2nd chance.

~Colin
 
*Havent read all posts here*

The following is my humble opinion:

First of all, I think what happens on the interent should stay on the internet. You dont REALLY have a way of knowing who posts what. And the older players online, not being TOTALLY ATTACHED to pokemon, like to throw in jokes and some sick stuff to have more fune. It's because they're teenagers.

Now I'm not downscaling what jake did; I think it was stupid. But I also dont think everyone should be totally up in arms if something idiotic slips into a non-idiotic place every once in a blue moon. I understand little kids come here, but the ones that are so little wouldn't have understood what the link was, and the slightly older ones should be mature enough to handle it well.

REGARDLESS, I dont think Jake should be banned from POP. Not only were his actions non-pokemon related, they were online. What would you guys have done if a random internet idiot came to these boards and posted that stuff? You would delete the posts and ban that person from these boards. I think the same should be done to Jake.

On a side note, I wish not for anyone to bring NEO into this. I'm tight w/ a lot of them, and while they do goof around a lot w/ stuff like this, none of them would bring it to these boards. I KNOW this because they all hate this board, lol.

Finally, I've seen worse happen online than this. Much worse. Did those players get banned? Not to my knowledge. Go to some other boards and see how they dis this place, nintendo, pop, certain people... will you do anything about it? Or is it just the gym? Is your only REAL point "little kids come here"? I think you all were slightly biased on Jake's banning. Look at Andrew Newman; he bribed a player and was banned. I could see a DQ from that tourney, but a year ban? They were out for him. Jake too maybe? IDK.
I'm not pushing for his unban, I'm just trying to make things relative.
 
Hedge, Colin, I am getting in contact to see what can be done, if anything, at this point.

Read Liesek's post carefully...it actually gives the rationale for the ban.

It seems that if Jake would have used ANY OTHER moniker for his link, and not masked it as an official POP site, then none of us would be having this conversation.

It seems to have come down to a defamation issue...and that is where he got fried...just bad, dumb luck trying to make his joke too believeable (once again, NOT AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE JOKE...had he sent that link to me or my kids under ANY link he would not be playing Pokemon in ST LOUIS at all)

We will see where the chips fall.

M45
 
I've only read the apology and the first page of replies. I don't want to read a bunch of back and forth arguments (by the sounds of it) only slightly concerning Jake, so i'll get right down to it.

Mike got it down. I would like to defend Jake as he is a friend, but what he did was against POP's rules, and whatever they say goes now. I hope the best for Jake, as in an earliest possible lift of his ban.

There's nothing else to add really.
 
For the last time: Jake's POP ban had NOTHING TO DO WITH POSTING ON THE 'GYM...
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This will be my only post on this matter.

Three points:

1. Regardless of whether Jake was put up to this or not, the fact remains that he made a conscious decision to send those messages, by his own admission.

2. The ONLY reason that POP became involved in this issue was because the link was disguised as a link to an official Pokemon site.

3. This suspension has NOTHING to do with Spirit of the Game, and EVERYTHING to do with the protection of the integrity of the Pokemon Brand and our players.
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'mom
 
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okay, now that Mr. Jailbird Kettler is back from his confinement in prison, I'll post on the matter =)

First off, Jake is painting a picture of being a hapless victim to poke-neo. False? You bet.

What is done at poke-neo can sure stay on poke-neo. The board does not have to put on a "warning" sign. I think Eric B and Levi C have it clearly stated that you can say ANYTHING YOU WANT on neo, positive or negative. Do your comments on neo have repurcussions, direct or indirect? Sure, but you can't get directly punished by the staff, for the most part. It's a "haven" for us teenagers to talk about what we want to talk about, and ESPECIALLY joke about. .

However, if jake never painted a bad picture of POP and Neo simultaneously, then he wouldn't be begging for his trip back. What he did was something the secret forum members of neo, hopefully on a 100% majority, would never do: send a pornography link, joking or not joking, to 11 year old reed weichler, canadian champ 05 and 2nd at worlds 04. We had enough sense to not allow reed in solely due to the X-rated content on the board. Jake obviously had no sense in what he did, and burned for it. You just don't do that to anyone younger than 13. Jake OBVIOUSLY did it to look cool, 'cause he wants to be "the best," and suffered under what I like to call "indirect peer pressure." =/

One bad apple spoils the bunch. Just because Jake was registered, it made neo look awful, and in retrospect, made POP look awful because he was sending that to an 11 year old, misrepresenting Pokemon-tcg in front of America Online AND Reed Weichler. However, is a POP ban the just step to fixing the problem? I don't think so. This situation, in my mind, was never about "forgiveness." It's just logical to me that a life experience and trip worth $1000 should not be taken away for a brutally amateur case of juvenile delinquence.

Last but not least...this is off-topic, but some of you like Squirtle, Foisy, and Pokemom just need to relax. It's nothing to get bent out of shape for. =)
 
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Again: so what real 'punishment' would it be to allow him to play at Worlds, perhaps place well and win prizes/scholarships, and THEN enforce a ban afterwards?

Explain that to me please, those of you advocating his being allowed to play? What lesson(s) would be learned here?

'mom =/
 
SD PokéMom said:
Again: so what real 'punishment' would it be to allow him to play at Worlds, perhaps place well and win prizes/scholarships, and THEN enforce a ban afterwards?

Explain that to me please, those of you advocating his being allowed to play? What lesson(s) would be learned here?

'mom =/
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He wouldn't be able to play in city championships, and probably wouldn't be able to play in state, regional, or gym championships either in the 2005-2006 season.
 
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This seriously makes me sick to my stomach. Jake does something totally stupid on his own accord and now he's trying to pass the buck onto Neo. Guess what Jake, nobody on Neo liked you, likes you, and you have no shot at getting in the site, ever. I'm sure if someone on Neo "dared" you to give them $20 you wouldn't do it, so don't give me this MADE UP sob story about how you were taken advantage of. There are only three people (and I'm not one of them) on Neo who can grant someone access to the private forum and I'm sure that none of them would EVER pull a stunt like that.

Jake is banned and I could care less. I suppose it sucks whenever you see someone leave the game, but then again he makes ME look bad by being associated with the game, with the Pokegym, and by being one of the reasons most of the public Neo forums have been deleted (he and all the other people not allowed in the site but still lurked). The kid then goes and tries to blame myself and my friends for HIS problems. Yeah right. When I'd try to use the excuse that "someone put me up to it" my Mom would always respond with "If they told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it?" The answer is always "no." Jake can think for himself, and even though misery loves company, he's alone on this one.
 
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Originally Posted by SD PokéMom
Again: so what real 'punishment' would it be to allow him to play at Worlds, perhaps place well and win prizes/scholarships, and THEN enforce a ban afterwards?

Explain that to me please, those of you advocating his being allowed to play? What lesson(s) would be learned here?

'mom =/
Venusaur said:
He wouldn't be able to play in city championships, and probably wouldn't be able to play in state, regional, or gym championships either in the 2005-2006 season.
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So answer this: what are the good folks at POP supposed to say to the parents of the kids who got these links, when they see Jake sitting in a seat at the playing table at Worlds? "Oh well, never mind, boys will be boys, it was just a stupid prank"?

Yeah, that shows great concern for and defense of one's OP program's players and brand integrity...NOT!

'mom
 
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