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Lack of Diversity in Nats & Worlds Cities

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If honestly dont even care anymore as long as its not hawai... Hawai equals one year of playing only nats for me :/

Through I probably wouldnt go to san diego a 3rd time either
 
My "Bucket List" for Nationals or Worlds would be -

Vancouver - great city

Seattle - Great Tourist opp that is a bit different than before

Anaheim - Yes, it was done ONCE before, but I liked that locale

Boston - Great city, great travel opps

Pacific Mexican Resort Locale - stay away from 'canes, but get the tropical experience

Tokyo or a major Japanese City - ONCE, just ONCE

Sydney, Austrailia - once again, ONCE

Honolulu - Just switch the island for a different experience

Some of these are repeats from prior posts, but fun, fun, fun.

I do like the Hawaii locale in Kona, as you can make the trip different even on that one island each time you go. Hawaii has the GREAT WOW factor for 1st time Worlds Participants, and that particular hotel is awesome. Truly looking forward to it.

Vince
 
I have been to three worlds sites myself (2002, 2004, and 2005) and the most exciting one in terms of location had to be Seattle (2002). But that might be because I have a thing for the northwest (homeland of Shari's restaurants, Tillamook cheese, marionberries, kites, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY COFFEE!).

I enjoyed Orlando and San Diego equally, however the vibe of the tourist cities often left me feeling worn out by the end of the weekend. I do want to visit a worlds site in Hawaii just because Hawaii is a fun place to visit.
 
Sydney would be interesting, but seeing as a majority of Pokemon's competitive fan base is American, they'd never agree to it. Canada would be nice though.
 
Ness said:
The people that love it even more than you do are always seeking ways to improve it and make it more fun. A lot things you may enjoy about the Pokemon TCG were at one point nothing more than an idea. Are you older than 15 or do you plan to still play Pokémon when you are 15? If so, did you know there was a time when 15+ year olds lost all their organized play? It was only restored after players joined together and demanded it be returned.

There's a difference between pointless complaining and a healthy discussion of new ideas and constructive criticism. As PokePop wrote in another thread, if it bores you, don't read it.

Back to the topic. Let's get constructive: What cities would you like to visit for Worlds or Nationals?

Though it wouldn't be new to me, I'd love to see Nationals or Worlds in Chicago. And what about New York City?
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Ok, i'll play along. I am 26! (i know, big shock). I AM aware of the loss of organised play but, as Mom states in a later post, i was always under the impression that it was the change in the rights of the card game that initiated the change in OP, rather than an uprising by players.

Now i'm talking as someone who is currently in the process of saving £2000+ (convert to US Dollars if you wish) to go Hawaii for Worlds next year so don't think the choice of Worlds location doesn't affect me.

Obviously i would like a European worlds, as it would save me (literally) over a thousand pounds, but i have faith that PUI know what they're doing and i feel privileged to play the game so i'll work around their schedule. Heck, they clearly know more about location factors at play than we do.

My point is this: There is no problem with the Worlds and Nationals location. Obviously not everyone loves it but you can't please everyone all the time.

Indianapolis makes sense, given the geography and population centres of the US, for US Nats and it's clearly a good location, otherwise PUI would not keep using it. Why look for someone new and good when you have somewhere that works (you only need to look at attendance figured from the past few years)?

Point number 2: We all know representatives of PUI read these boards, so let's make sure that we focus our efforts on the changes that we can effect and that will help us the most. The more we complain about, the more we risk losing their attention.

I also contend that my post was on topic. The question: Is there a lack of diversity in the Nats and Worlds location? My answer: If there is, it doesn't matter. There are a range of factors at play when choosing a location that nobody from outside the company can possibly have full knowledge of. The attendance at both events is fantastic and i can see no tangible negative effects by repeating the location.

Keep up the good work PUI :D
 
Prime said:
I think it'd be much more memorable if Worlds was held in a more exciting area, like an arena.
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I agree it would be more memorable, but not in a good way. No matter how many people you stick on the court/ice/etc, when you have a mass of empty seats in a professional-grade arena, it is massively unsettling.


Honest question: what percentage of US players that would want to go to Worlds have passports? I'm guessing (seriously, just guessing) that it's not a very large number, particularly for the Juniors and Seniors. As soon as you move it anywhere else (even just to Canada), now all of those players (and their parents) are all needing passports. I doubt that would go over very well.
 
One of the major things that separates Pokemon from a game like M:TG is the diversity in where they hold their game's premier events. I racked up a lot of passport stamps playing M:TG in a lot of exciting locales around the world. While it would be great for me to have yet another excuse to travel, most people wouldn't be so receptive if Pokemon Worlds was in Paris, Singapore, or Rio de Janeiro even though it would be amazing, imho.

Although it boggles my mind why they haven't had a Pokemon Worlds in Japan, since the country spawned the game.
 
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Honestly, most people don't take more than one vacation year, if even that. So, what is the incentive for that one vacation a year to go to the same place every time? Oh, yeah, to play Pokemon...but, what if, as Ness has stated, we actually move the event around? I'm not sure how that seems like a bad idea to ANYONE.

As for some places, I think Nats should try and stay somewhat centrally located and not get into any extremes (SoCal, NW, Florida, New England). Specific cities I would like to see Nats (in no particular order): Dallas, Chicago, St Louis, OKC, VEGAS!!! (I know, NOT kid friendly), Memphis, Denver. Wouldn't mind some centrally located East Coast areas, like NC, or just about anywhere in the Midwest, as long as it differs.

And, for Worlds, I think this has more potential. This can fall in those "extreme" areas (SoCal, NW, Florida, New England), except it has already been to most of those. So, hitting up some other large cities arcoss the US would be cool. As far as going international, it think it seem stupid to keep it here in the US, it is WORLDS!!! But, Ness is right, it certainly needs to be in an area where English speaking people can get around easily (ie, England). Now, that's not to say it can ONLY be in England, English is spoke in MANY countries around the world. But, the POP reps in that country would have to do a lot of work to ensure it is accessable for English. As far as going international, I think this should be on a set schedule, say, every 3-4 years, and should be decided on by a P!P committee that would have a selection process that is (for lack of a better comparison) similar to the Olympics selection committee. Also, I think the P!P should give away trips in the "inbetween" yearrs. As an example, maybe hold a few tournaments (or one) a year that has a small fee to enter with the prize being a paid trip to the international Worlds and/or give all Worlds winners another paid trip to the international worlds, meaning we could have the last 2-3 World champs get automatic invites to the international worlds.
 
Vancouver 2014, folks: make it happen.

P.S. You guys think it's tough to get passports? Try travel visas in Mexico - now that's difficult.

It's a boring, mildly obnoxious process, but if you really want to go to Worlds, then it should be the least of your worries (and possibly the least of your expenses, as well).
 
Cyrus said:
Vancouver 2014, folks: make it happen.

P.S. You guys think it's tough to get passports? Try travel visas in Mexico - now that's difficult.

It's a boring, mildly obnoxious process, but if you really want to go to Worlds, then it should be the least of your worries (and possibly the least of your expenses, as well).
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We don't want the Vancouver natives to rage and riot in the streets when America wins. I'm only half-kidding

In all seriousness, I'll be fine with a venue over-seas, I got tired of Hawaii after about 2 days. There isn't much fun stuff to do there in my honest opinion. Even though Europe would be very expensive for americans, it is probably just as expensive as Hawaii, and I assume there is more to do there.(I repeat, assume)

I would be happy with Canada, I hear it is very nice there and the people are mostly nice as well. I would have to get a passport along with probably a lot of other people, but I've never been out of the US and I would like to see what the rest of the world is like. I think a lot of people would.

Although I think Tokyo, Japan would be pretty cool, the whole Japanese culture is, at least in my opinion, crazy. A lot of the stuff may be kid friendly, but I've seen a lot of stuff from Japan that could possibly traumatize them.

I still stand by my idea of putting worlds in New York City, even if some of the same issues I brought up about Japan could be true about New York too. There is more to do in New York City than a lot of the other places in the country, and I don't think that can legitimately be argued with. A lot of places in California are pretty cool, but out of the 8 years that there have been Worlds Championships, half of them have been in California, not very fair to East coasters

I completely agree with Ness on changing the Worlds locations, but I do not think they should experiment with new Nationals locations. We don't want a situation like St. Louis to happen ever again. Nationals in St Louis was literally on the the worst experiences in my life so far. I'm not just talking about the scorching heat wave either. There was no place to get food for several blocks, you either had to rent a car, walk, or eat the funnel cake in the convention center. The funnel cake wasn't even really edible unless you were ok with throwing up.
 
This bugs me a lot. However if you live in US then Pokemon USA International will have to move worlds to a different country because a lot of people are saying the USD's are becoming worth less than they are so they will have to move it to a cheaper country.
 
They won't "have" to move it to a cheaper country, especially when you factor in logistics. Is it worth moving Worlds to a cheaper country if it costs an arm and a leg?

Also, the issue with Kona isn't necessarily that there's nothing to do, since there's actually a LOT; it's just that the Waikaloa Village is a less-than-optimal location from a fiscal standpoint. For those who haven't been to it, WV basically "traps" its visitors in for miles, forcing them to buy vastly overpriced meals, groceries, etc from their King and Queen shops. So even if you've paid for airfare and hotel...You still have to dish out an absurd amount for basic provisions (I'd guess the average family has to spend $100/day just on food).

This is one reason why even if they kept Worlds in Hawaii, it should be moved away from Waikaloa Village. I'm not optimistic for this change, though, since Pokemon's long-term fondness of Hilton suggests there might possibly be a contract.
 
GodBlessAmerica said:
Nationals in St Louis was literally on the the worst experiences in my life so far. I'm not just talking about the scorching heat wave either. There was no place to get food for several blocks, you either had to rent a car, walk, or eat the funnel cake in the convention center. The funnel cake wasn't even really edible unless you were ok with throwing up.
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I agree. I might be bias because I bombed nats here, but why on earth this was ever a nats local is beyond me. (I saw a car get broken into with a crowbar and a drunk guy almost get hit by a car all in one evening of down town St. Louis.). And for the record, I came very close to throwing up after eating said funnel cake.

As far as places I'd like to see.

Nats: I don't care. When I go to Nats, I go for Pokemon. But if the local has to change, Let's rotate. Boston or a Pennsylvania city sounds cheaper than NYC. I'd want to keep Indy in there. As for way out west, I have no idea. Austin isn't really "out west" but probably fits better than Houston or Denver.

Worlds has to be in a place I (anyone) would want to go to for more than just Pokemon. I don't know what you people who say there was nothing to do in hawaii are talking about but I understand the price being hard to handle. Overall, I love Hawaii. The resort is amazing in my opinion, I can't see worlds on another island. But seriously, I don't think there's any competitive player rich enough to shell out the money for a Hawaii trip every other year. I'm pretty sick of San Diego at this point. It's nice and all, but half the time the sky is grey and the water is always cold. Orlando was great. The hurricane was sort of bad luck though, the humidity was at least more bearable than that of St. Louis. As for worlds in California, I'd like to see it move up the coast.

I'm one to think that worlds should stay in the United States though, for the reasons stated. I also don't think it should leave the coasts. As far as i'm concerned, there is no "wow" city in the USA not on the coasts. (Not counting Las Vegas, which is not a Pokemon city for obvious reasons or NYC)
 
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Wow they actually had Nats in St. Louis?

I haven't been to Nats yet in Indy but it seems like everyone really likes it there, so I feel like that should stay for sure

Worlds is kinda hard though to decide on, but it seems like most people don't want it in Hawaii much anymore

I do like the Seattle idea a lot thought actually

Seems like a unique place many people haven't been to, and should be much much cheaper
 
GodBlessAmerica said:
Nationals in St Louis was literally on the the worst experiences in my life so far.
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First world problem.

Seriously, though. I'm in complete agreement, Ness. They're not going to "wow" a whole lot of new players if it costs three-thousand damn dollars to attend Worlds. The vast majority of Worlds invitees are veterans anyways, so their desires should absolutely be considered. Having Worlds in Hawaii, especially, is a lose-lose.

Also would appreciate variation in Nationals, I guess, as long as it's in the midwest. That location is actually for logistic purposes.
 
I think a better question is who WOULDN'T want to go to Southern California or Hawaii during the summer...? There's an unlimited number of things to do at both. Nationals should be the one moved around imo.
 
Gengar said:
I think a better question is who WOULDN'T want to go to Southern California or Hawaii during the summer...? There's an unlimited number of things to do at both. Nationals should be the one moved around imo.
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You go one time to Southern California in 2009, you come back again in 2011, you don't discover much and Comic Con become worse. I don't want to return in San Diego in 2013.
 
I think Chicago makes a good spot for both Nationals & Worlds. Being centralized makes it a good spot for Nationals. Now I spent almost my entire life around Chicago so it's not necessarily exciting to me, but it certainly is a beautiful city with more to do in the Summer than just about anywhere. There are so many famous landmarks worth visiting: Cellular Field, Wrigley Field, The Willis Tower (Sears Tower), Shedd Aquarium, Adler Planetarium, Field Museum, Navy Pier, Michigan Ave...
 
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