prodigal_fanboy
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Really, Scipio? Lucario techs would have been enough to beat Luxchomp? Not like Palkia has cheaper, easier answers to Luxray X, and THEY STILL DON'T WORK at equalizing the matchup, esp. w/o Azelf MT.
Lost World isn't on the set??
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MudkipPrime
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First of all i dont care how we get this card (lost world) i dont care how many times i'd be wheepng after getting owned i just want it to be released.
To be honest I've been on the fence about the game sense after worlds. So if lost world does come out as a promo And it causes Gengar Prime to skyrocket awesome for everyone who has them I wish them all the best. And if I need them I can get them No problem.
A great man once said Everyone has a Price.
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Vanderbilt: SP decks are the best deck to beat Lost World with. Against any other deck, there is no disruption, and not nearly enough speed. SP decks can reliably take the fastest prizes while also stopping a deck from doing ITS game plan. A deck would have had to A.) put Lost World on a similar cloak ( 6 turns ) and B.) stop Lost World from simply outracing it. No deck comes close to SP in that department. The build I was testing didn't care if you killed Gengar every single turn. Look at Jumpluff. It could reliably get out a Jumpluff every turn of the game. Gengar can produce a Lost Zoning EVERY TURN, STARTING TURN two at the LATEST. Unless you can produce a non SP deck that is taking 6 prizes before turn 7, I'll stand by my statement that SP would be the best shot to beat a GOOD Lost World deck. No deck is dealing the required 130 every turn to kill gengar swarms before it can announce 6 attacks. Think a build similar to turbo Machamp, or Kingdra, which RELIABLY gets a t1 stage 2 attacking VERY quickly. Twins is just degenerate in the deck as well. You could build an all dark deck, and I still would not view it as being a contender simply because it would not be fast enough, and it doesn't matter if Gengar gets knocked out. You are playing a whole different game.
I for one am glad the card did not get released. Also, why are people even pretending to panic over it being a promo card of " extreme value"? A.) I'm 99.9% sure if they intended to release it, it would be in the core set. Pokemon has absolutely no precident of releasing cards like this as a promo. B.) when has a promo card ever been extremely expensive from Pokemon? They don't ever release promos scarcely enough to ever warrant such a cost, or the fear of it.
I actually think this set will do a lot to shape the metagame. There are plenty of very strong cards still in the set, which will shape the metagame, not replace it. Sets being so game altering they literally warp a format are not good. Cards which add to the format and allow older decks to remain viable, while still adding new dynamics to the metagame are healthier. This set adds a ton of fantastic cards that I feel will really shape the metagame for the better. So if you hate SP more than anything else in the world, I guess it isn't your day. It isn't going to be eradicated from the format. It shouldn't be. It will, in my opinion, be less powerful. Or, should I say, other decks will begin to match its power level, giving players more REAL options. I'm glad that Lost World doesn't look to be printed because the likely metagame resulting from the set sans LW looks to be a vast improvement. Lost World being printed would make for an even more degenerate format.
I don't dislike the IDEA behind Lost World. The idea of an alternate win condition is actually really cool. The PROBLEM is, the card was "balanced" horribly. SIX? Really? The card would be better requiring 8-10 Lost cards to "win". At that point, the card becomes a viable deck win condition, without being TOO good. I wouldn't be against an errata'ing of the card to increase the win point, but that decision would have to be made in Japan before it would ever really be implemented.
I for one am glad the card did not get released. Also, why are people even pretending to panic over it being a promo card of " extreme value"? A.) I'm 99.9% sure if they intended to release it, it would be in the core set. Pokemon has absolutely no precident of releasing cards like this as a promo. B.) when has a promo card ever been extremely expensive from Pokemon? They don't ever release promos scarcely enough to ever warrant such a cost, or the fear of it.
I actually think this set will do a lot to shape the metagame. There are plenty of very strong cards still in the set, which will shape the metagame, not replace it. Sets being so game altering they literally warp a format are not good. Cards which add to the format and allow older decks to remain viable, while still adding new dynamics to the metagame are healthier. This set adds a ton of fantastic cards that I feel will really shape the metagame for the better. So if you hate SP more than anything else in the world, I guess it isn't your day. It isn't going to be eradicated from the format. It shouldn't be. It will, in my opinion, be less powerful. Or, should I say, other decks will begin to match its power level, giving players more REAL options. I'm glad that Lost World doesn't look to be printed because the likely metagame resulting from the set sans LW looks to be a vast improvement. Lost World being printed would make for an even more degenerate format.
I don't dislike the IDEA behind Lost World. The idea of an alternate win condition is actually really cool. The PROBLEM is, the card was "balanced" horribly. SIX? Really? The card would be better requiring 8-10 Lost cards to "win". At that point, the card becomes a viable deck win condition, without being TOO good. I wouldn't be against an errata'ing of the card to increase the win point, but that decision would have to be made in Japan before it would ever really be implemented.
Skitty
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Actually having it as a secret rare would make the total deck cheaper in the end. Having Lost World hard to get would mean Gengar Prime would go down in price because it wouldn't be as usable without Lost World. Would you rather have 2 $50 Lost Worlds and 3-4 $20 Gengar or 2 $3 Lost Worlds and 3-4 $50 Gengar?
baby mario
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I think that's pretty unrealistic tbh
Can you really see players selling their Gengars cheap because they give up on ever getting a couple of Lost World?
Can you really see players selling their Gengars cheap because they give up on ever getting a couple of Lost World?
Skitty
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Cheap? No. But cheaper, yes. If two cards work together and one is far harder to get than the other they don't both go up in price do they?
EDIT: I may be wrong on this. Using smaller examples: Did Magikarp go up at all when Gyarados was used alot? Or Machop/Machoke when Machamp was big? Or did they stay in the normal ¢25 bins comaired to going up to $1 each?
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baby mario
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There was more than enough Karps and Chops to go around, even when the deck was popular.
If a card is released that works with another card, then the price does tend to go up. Gengar SF is selling for a lot more since Vileplume came out.
Skitty
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Well then I was wrong. I only made my original post because I though having Lost World a secret rare would make Gengar Prime go down slightly and make more people happy. After all, I saw people saying it (Gengar) would have gone for $40-$50 each.
Scipio
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No, I said its an ANSWER to Luxray that also happens to be a mid-to-late-game beatstick. It wouldve certainly made Palkia into a deck with more firepower later on in the game, and one Lucario could quite easily sweep through several pokes of Luxchomp (Particulary if you got a 2-2 or bigger line - so you can keep going after they Zen Bladed one). Swinging the matchup in Palkias favor? I didn't say that.
However its moot for now since we ain't getting Lucario.
Heartgold22
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What is Lost World??
DonphanAtoZ
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A card. seventeeennnn
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I also agree with Scipio, Lucario would have been EXCELLENT for Palkia.
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I also agree with Scipio, Lucario would have been EXCELLENT for Palkia.
LegendaryLugia
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My Dodrio has Bubble Coat :wink: i.e. Gengar Prime is still a playable card and will probably see some use as a tech in Gengar decks.
Muk Man
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Latios/Latias star.... Mew Delta, the fire and water versions
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I could have sworn that COMMON baltoys were selling for 2-3 dollars a piece just because of claydol...
i also remember quick search pidgeot, cause the price of pidgy and pidgeotto to go up.... even though they were in theme decks. in fact i remember that japaneese players were looking for the evo lines because they were impossible to get in japan
i remember holon pickachu and exeggcute both commons cost more than othe commons because of raieggs
Muk: If you are going to quote Ruiner, get it right. He said cards like these as promos (Lost world). An uncommon trainer/card in rarity in Japan being super rare in the USA. The cards you mentioned were rare in Japan too (or here only).
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