Porii Sames
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Better Dos matchup, sorta better Vilegar matchup...?
Machamp Vileplume
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How does this give it a better dos matchup? Any gyarados player who uses sableye as their starter can set up under trainer lock just fine and then steam roll through you as you set up two stage two's. The only matchup this seems to help you in is a straight speedos without sableye which can still get lucky and regi move out your spiritomb t1 or t2 to dump all their trainers and set up.
XYZ_Sniper
New Member
Because going 4-1 during play testing in a non stressful environment proves soooooo much.
I have no idea what GDos list you are testing against, because if you dont have a turn 1 spiritomb, you should be having a pokemon KO'd almost every single turn.
And it really looks like you enjoy posting - for fun, and a lot.
I definitely feel like playing this deck, possibly even in a tournament setting.
Probably going to start with Porii´s list, then go on to add in Seeker, Sage's Training and Regirock (though there are probably better lists around, you´ll have to start somewhere and it does seem all right).
When it comes to Rainbow Energy: why not.
However, definitely going to proxy a list and try it. I haven´t actually played anything with trainer lock before, but it seems like a good deck to play.
Most likely going to play 4 Collector and 3 DCE though. Just my personal thing.
Probably going to start with Porii´s list, then go on to add in Seeker, Sage's Training and Regirock (though there are probably better lists around, you´ll have to start somewhere and it does seem all right).
When it comes to Rainbow Energy: why not.
However, definitely going to proxy a list and try it. I haven´t actually played anything with trainer lock before, but it seems like a good deck to play.
Most likely going to play 4 Collector and 3 DCE though. Just my personal thing.
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I played Curran's deck in Top 8 of NC states. I'll tell you first hand it can beat Gyarados. I was playing sablelock and actually did fairly well against him in the first game but its a really tough matchup for most sp based decks.
I'd say it can be very good but it basically autolosses to vilegar. He didn't play vilegar all day at that tournament until top 4 and lost (against whom would win the tournament). If you play in a sp heavy meta with gyarados it could be a good deck choice. But with vilegar rampant I wouldn't bother so it just depends.
I'd say it can be very good but it basically autolosses to vilegar. He didn't play vilegar all day at that tournament until top 4 and lost (against whom would win the tournament). If you play in a sp heavy meta with gyarados it could be a good deck choice. But with vilegar rampant I wouldn't bother so it just depends.
But gyrados isn't heavy thats the point its SP and vilegar or lost gar right now.
headsrcool
New Member
My friend just won Malaysia 7-0.
magmortar*
New Member
figured out the list.
Nugget_
Member
Your bad testing of only 5 games against bad lists with bad seniors does not count.
Porii Sames
Active Member
It was tested against 1700+ Masters...
Don't make assumptions you don't know are true.
Don't make assumptions you don't know are true.
XYZ_Sniper
New Member
and i play against an 1862.44 master. your point?
Porii Sames
Active Member
I don't play against bad seniors.
jeffrey123
New Member
I test with top 40 masters and seniors...don't try to make something that really isn't that special look that way.
malikhisyam
New Member
You're too kind.
Yes I won Malaysia Masters 7-0 with the deck. It can beat Gyarados, is quite favourable if played right but very close to 50-50. I beat a Gyarados in T4 ; report's in the States forum.
badganondorf
New Member
Yeah, I won our States last weekend(7-2) with Machamp/Plume also. I think straight Gyarados is in favor of Machamp/Plume if you're patient enough to build 2 Champs and Vileplume. Mew/Gyarados...a whole new story. When MewGyarados player knows what he/she is doing it's about 65-35 in Gyaras favor.
I also beat Vilegar in finals. If they're playing hybrid Gengar(which IMO is the best way to play Vilegar) they have hard time with only 1 Fainting Spell Gengar because Crushing Punch discards the Rescue. If they want to give to Gengar 2 Rescue energies, they can go ahead, but usually when they flip tails on the first fainting spell, Machamp has a too big prize lead.
I don't know about Curran's list but mine was way different than Porii's list. The only problem I had was that I almost every game prized something crucial and usually Azelf was prized also(I only played 1-1-1 Plume). My bench was full all the time also.
I think that Machamp/Plume has a decent match-up almost against everything. Gengar sure is problematic but I can see Machamp outspeeding it. I like the deck, especially because it isn't Luxchomp and has a good match-up against Luxchomp :wink:
I also beat Vilegar in finals. If they're playing hybrid Gengar(which IMO is the best way to play Vilegar) they have hard time with only 1 Fainting Spell Gengar because Crushing Punch discards the Rescue. If they want to give to Gengar 2 Rescue energies, they can go ahead, but usually when they flip tails on the first fainting spell, Machamp has a too big prize lead.
I don't know about Curran's list but mine was way different than Porii's list. The only problem I had was that I almost every game prized something crucial and usually Azelf was prized also(I only played 1-1-1 Plume). My bench was full all the time also.
I think that Machamp/Plume has a decent match-up almost against everything. Gengar sure is problematic but I can see Machamp outspeeding it. I like the deck, especially because it isn't Luxchomp and has a good match-up against Luxchomp :wink: