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Magneboar, BDIF
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SuperWooper
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trolling on the river
Porii Sames
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Haha, I see what you did there....
DIZZtheWHIZZ
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Deck is clunky. I don't care what your "testing" has determined. This format is still undefined, therefore there is no real BDIF as of yet. I mean, it's a good deck, but definitely not the best deck.
Banette EX
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Not the BDIF, its probably third or fourth on the list!
Nugget_
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What's first and second then? lol
I agree with these two posts. For a format that hasn't even had a SINGLE official tourny, there is no such thing as a BDIF right now. I guarantee ya that some SD will pop up at Nats and say hi.
Besides, I can see Zoroark-heavy decks possibly causing a problem for Magneboar even if once set up. That's theory, though, so don't hold me to that.
Politoed666
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There are a few reasons I hesitate to call Magneboar the BDIF at this point:
1. If any deck denies it resources, it loses. It needs EVERYTHING to work. If two Candies are prized, Magneboar will usually lose. If RDL pieces are prized, it presents a major problem against many matchups. If LostGar Lost Zones anything important early in the game, it is a struggle to set up. That said, LostGar is generally a bad matchup because Magneboar has a high Pokémon count.
2. It loses miserably to Tyranitar running Umbreon.
3. It takes extreme skill to play. Somehow, I took an untested build into a tournament last Saturday and went 4-0. Today at League, I won the mirror and promptly dropped three in a row because I mismanaged my energy. If I am to play Magneboar at Nationals, I need to practice with it a lot more.
Basically, I think Magneboar has the potential to be the BDIF because it has many options and many even to good matchups. Being able to OHKO anything doesn't hurt either. However, I don't want to make that proclamation now because it is only the BDIF in the hands of a skilled player who knows each matchup in and out. With Magneboar, every matchup is different, particularly in terms of energy management. Anyone who thinks "take four prizes with Magnezone and then two with RDL," regardless of the matchup, will not end up at the top tables.
1. If any deck denies it resources, it loses. It needs EVERYTHING to work. If two Candies are prized, Magneboar will usually lose. If RDL pieces are prized, it presents a major problem against many matchups. If LostGar Lost Zones anything important early in the game, it is a struggle to set up. That said, LostGar is generally a bad matchup because Magneboar has a high Pokémon count.
2. It loses miserably to Tyranitar running Umbreon.
3. It takes extreme skill to play. Somehow, I took an untested build into a tournament last Saturday and went 4-0. Today at League, I won the mirror and promptly dropped three in a row because I mismanaged my energy. If I am to play Magneboar at Nationals, I need to practice with it a lot more.
Basically, I think Magneboar has the potential to be the BDIF because it has many options and many even to good matchups. Being able to OHKO anything doesn't hurt either. However, I don't want to make that proclamation now because it is only the BDIF in the hands of a skilled player who knows each matchup in and out. With Magneboar, every matchup is different, particularly in terms of energy management. Anyone who thinks "take four prizes with Magnezone and then two with RDL," regardless of the matchup, will not end up at the top tables.
I coulndt disagree with this more. If you basically know how to count and plan at least one turn ahead its the easiest deck to play. It's setup and take 6 prizes or dont setup and lose.
Politoed666
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I don't doubt that's the best way to play it in your age division... generally, the best way to win in Seniors is to get set up faster than your opponent and take six prizes in any way you can. If you're running Magneboar in Masters and planning only one turn ahead, you will not end up at the top tables. You will...
A) Run out of energy.
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B) Deck yourself.
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C) Be faced with unexpected challenges...
For instance, if you stack all your energy on RDL and Magnezones and LZ energy off Badboar, and your opponent brings up an Umbreon UD, you have a major problem. If you had anticipated that, you would have attached to Badboar and discarded energy off either the Zones or the RDL.
as long as you don't overextend you won't face problems one or two. also unexpected suprises arnt that suprising seeing as the basic has to be out for a turn.
Nothing tat doesnt take a couple of games to pick up on. Also your whole hypothetical situation isn't something that is that suprising and if the player isnt capable of making that type recoginzation of game state who truly shouldnt be at the top tables to begin with no matter what deck he plays.
Nothing tat doesnt take a couple of games to pick up on. Also your whole hypothetical situation isn't something that is that suprising and if the player isnt capable of making that type recoginzation of game state who truly shouldnt be at the top tables to begin with no matter what deck he plays.
Naki Feralkin
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Can we hype this deck any more? Jesus, now I have to play MORE mirrors at nationals. Jeez.
SaiaSandstorm
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If I wanted to stand a chance through a tournament such as Nationals which has 8+ rounds and a large Top Cut, I wouldn't be stupid enough to run this deck.
It has set up problems, they're quite bad. I've tested the deck so much and done everything in my power and it still isn't a sure thing.
Let's not forget that coin flips are gonna control the outcome of Nats, it's quite disgusting how much games come down to key coin flips this format.
It has set up problems, they're quite bad. I've tested the deck so much and done everything in my power and it still isn't a sure thing.
Let's not forget that coin flips are gonna control the outcome of Nats, it's quite disgusting how much games come down to key coin flips this format.
@jjkkl:
that's what I was thinking would win nationals (well a mewprime deck variant). I think a good list of mewgar will surprize a lot of these folks here. Mew sets itself up as long as it's out turn one. Some lost zone decks are definetely gonna rise.
Also doesn't anyone think that Feraligator and KGL would be a cool counter?
that's what I was thinking would win nationals (well a mewprime deck variant). I think a good list of mewgar will surprize a lot of these folks here. Mew sets itself up as long as it's out turn one. Some lost zone decks are definetely gonna rise.
Also doesn't anyone think that Feraligator and KGL would be a cool counter?