Discussion in 'Feature Articles' started by desert eagle, Oct 20, 2007.
^ Are you refearing to Michael Pramawat??
First of all there is a card called Castaway that gets energy. Name the deck that is faster than Mario, people bash this deck with no solution or ideas. Maybe in the future Mario will louse it's power, but it won over 35 BR, your saying that all thoes winnings where luck? Mario is a deck, if you don't like, good for you, but saying that is really ignorant.
Wow, all card games need luck to win combined with other factors.
Sure, I'm somehow less of a player because I won't allow some kid to play a poorly designed card with obvious flaws. What's next, criticising me for telling a player not to play blastoise with blissey because it's just a poor combo? No, I'm being an elitist because I'm wrecking his deck =P
guys, the reason that Mario won battle roads is that there were only Mario (mostly) in them. If you have 1 person playing Mario in a battle road of random people, of course it will win. If you have 5 people playing Mario in the division, of course Mario will win.
Mario is not a good deck, a deck is suppose to be good. By that statement, Mario is not a deck.
IMHO fundamentally it's better for the growth of the game to suggest good ideas than it is to tear down other ideas good or bad. The more accessible you make the game for all players ... new & old ... competitive & casual ... the stronger the game becomes as a whole. When you make negative comments, no matter how true or justified, it robs SOMEONE somewhere of their enjoyment of the game. Instead of saying "that's a bad card & you shouldn't play it...." it's far better to say "try that out and see how it works ... then try THIS and see if it works better for you." That’s the kind of tone that seems to be fundamentally missing from much of this discussion. The comments about "sheep" players and "enlightening" the board as if we were mostly benighted misanthropes here or the outright attacks like "Mario isn’t a deck" just tear things apart. The most productive parts of this thread have been where folks have talked about real alternatives and how to run decks.
Also, this whole mess reminds me of Einstein arguing that "God does not play dice with the universe!" No one can deny that Einstein was one of the most brilliant minds of the last century with an almost unbelievable understanding of the physics theory. However he could not accept Quantum Mechanics randomness. It did not fit with either his worldview or his understanding of theory to that point. This kind of thing happens again and again in science. Either a new working theory comes along or experimental results go against something established ... and inevitably a number very bright minds fight it, holding with their prior experience and understanding. This was one of my first thoughts when reading the OP and again when reading some of the other posts here. Maybe it doesn’t fit some folks personal experience ... or maybe it doesn’t fit nice theories about how decks should work ... or maybe it just seems silly to some folks ... but there is empirical evidence that Mario works to this point. It’s not just about one run at the Grinders or even one T16 finish at Nationals. There are a huge number of wins from all over the world since the deck's publications. Mario is one of the top finishers for this past round of BRs alone even with SUPER BLISSEY & other Lucario variants in format.
Clear, you know about all the wins now? LOL, ErikNance actually won a battle road with Mario. So now his (our) area is bad? Or there were a lot of Mario there?
LOL Please don't try anymore Clear, you keep digging yourself a bigger hole the more you talk on subjects you have no clue about.
Thats all you got?
Out of curiosity, what deck do you play?
That's exactly what I was thinking.
And how did Clear performed and in which area?
we were thinking there'd be more infernape at nats :-\
He must use Mario :lol: and he louses with it, that would explain how much he hates Mario.
This really shouldn't be a feature article.
Sparta and Clear must be buddies...their tone is about the same. The thread is not "stupid". Most of the discussion after the article itself has been entertaining and thoughtful.
Clear's current deck (according to his profile) is "Blissey Wall".
It is amusing that people dont get the concept that "mario" IS a DECK. It has won in multiple areas. It had 2 t16 finishes in the MA division @ US Nats 2007. (400+ player tourney...THE toughest field ever assembled!)
As Erik Nance stated....IF the deck was sooooo bad....it would have barely been a blip on the radar screen, then fade away to nothing land. IF the "elites" were truly interested in "helping" or in "shooting down" bad deck choices...there would have been the multiple threads like this for all the deck ideas thrown out there. There have been some atrocious deck ideas in the deck help area. You can not say that about Mario. It is time to move on folks....Mario will only go away when it is no longer VIABLE in whichever metagame that develops.
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Where is your region/area of play?? Obv., you dont see Mario very much. The deck has won in a diverse metagame. The deck has won ag'st very good players and fields. Get your facts straight please before you throw something out there as the "truth". :nonono:
This has run its course.
Thanks to those of you who kept it civil.
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