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Medi-spread (A Team R Production)

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So to answer your question, no ryan posting bad ideas KNOWING are duds is NOT good for the forum. Wouldnt it be SMARTER to post a Normal speed spread list? I dont see any current threads on that and it is one of the best decks if not THE best choice currently to play in this format.

If the deck WAS Godly, it should still be in here.... as there are SO many different ways to play a deck like Speed Spread that changes on perfecting a list is something that needs to be discussed.


On a related note, playing eeveelutions with SSU is not always the correct play. I dont believe it should be in the deck, the flip is hardly worth the risk of getting a tails plus this deck is really tight on consistant draw and needs every bit of help it can get rather then wasting time on sometimes dead cards like SSU.

I myself prefer playing 2 Giant Stump as a methods to Cut your bench down, so you can save space to play more eevees later after using them. Stump has so many more beneficial uses rather than a few SSU. Acting as a counter gym, healing, Disruption. So many reasons, plus you can drop it, windstorm it out and fill up your bench again.

Cutting a stump for SSU seems illogical.

Plus cutting a ray ex? the card is HUGE in match ups like Metanite, Metalix, Flygon. You definitely need him. I could never consider cutting it.
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again, i refer to deck HELP and strategy. he wants his list to be edited and fixed, not told it will never work and to trash it. in this deck in particular, would it not be better to take back a pokemon to use its effect again over just plain discarding it? and Eeveelutions &/or absol NEED SSU, i dont care what planet you are on, it just does to be good. besides that, SSU can pull up a Medicham that is about to die, etc. the pros of SSU outway its cons greatly, and using healing and counter gym as an excuse for Giant Stump defeats its purpose entirely. if you want to go countergym, go with another Legacy, healing, go with potion or something. and why do you need to mprove the matchups against metanite OR metalix? Medicham's body obliterates Metanite and Metalix, not to mention that it can do 120 damage to Steelix. and even with Ray, your matchups against flygon are too bad to be teching it, if you want to tech against it, you should go Latios Ex, he has literally no way to search for Ray (besides CFF) while Latios can be mentor'd
 
Suicidal Pikachu, The pros of SSU do NOT outweigh the cons. playing 4 possible dead cards for the benefit of MAYBE doing an absol twice or a jolteon again do not make it worth while. Why not play cards that you know FOR Sure are going to work such as stump/windstorm? discarding and refilling your bench is a lot more beneficial then praying you get SSU to work.

The Benefit of saving a medicham ex? Why not just retreat it and play the STUMP at least you KNOW the stump is going to happen =/

Medicham OBLITERATES metalix? Are you KIDDING me? The deck plays a 4-2-3 or 4-2-4 line of metagross dx. Medicham is terrible against metalix lol.

Its decent against Metanite, but why waste the time using medicham when you could be spreading FAR more damage counters by using psychic pulse on absol? =/

Also telling someone the deck is not good and wont work competively IS help imo. I mean if I made a deck and my friends KNEW it was not going to win me Battle Roads/Nats, I would want them to say to me that the idea is NOT going to work. Why lead me on and let myself beleive "this is good if I do such and such changes" when I am clearly wasting my time over something that is going to be a mute point?
 
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Suicidal Pikachu, The pros of SSU do NOT outweigh the cons. playing 4 possible dead cards for the benefit of MAYBE doing an absol twice or a jolteon again do not make it worth while. Why not play cards that you know FOR Sure are going to work such as stump/windstorm? discarding and refilling your bench is a lot more beneficial then praying you get SSU to work.

The Benefit of saving a medicham ex? Why not just retreat it and play the STUMP at least you KNOW the stump is going to happen =/

Medicham OBLITERATES metalix? Are you KIDDING me? The deck plays a 4-2-3 or 4-2-4 line of metagross dx. Medicham is terrible against metalix lol.

Its decent against Metanite, but why waste the time using medicham when you could be spreading FAR more damage counters by using psychic pulse on absol? =/

Also telling someone the deck is not good and wont work competively IS help imo. I mean if I made a deck and my friends KNEW it was not going to win me Battle Roads/Nats, I would want them to say to me that the idea is NOT going to work. Why lead me on and let myself beleive "this is good if I do such and such changes" when I am clearly wasting my time over something that is going to be a mute point?
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Your right in a lot of your points. Well first about SSU. I hate the fact thats its flippy but to compare it too stump and storm combo is kinda dumb. You kno how much faster ssu is compared to stump storm then having to farmer them back and get them out again? One ssu as flippy as it is can be game changing in absolutions, gives you the extra 10 dmg spread with jolteon, can heal, or reuse absol. It may be flippy but dont make it sound like its a stupid card. Its pros clearly outweigh the cons of it working 50% of the time.

As for this deck being competive it really isnt. Its inferior then Absolutions but obviously if Josef (Bolt) and the rest of Team R really thought a deck could really do extremely well they wouldnt have posted it right? So stop bashing the deck, i doubt your better then any of the members of Team R :tongue:
 
Actually, no offense to you Captain petey, but just because "Team R" posted a deck doesnt mean its good. Who's to say they are not posting a joke deck? Many other "top notch" players have been known to do it before. *thinks back to the time TheAnswer3 posted his Dugtrio deck called DGP or something*

Stump/Windstorm is not like that, I think you are looking at it all wrong. See most speed spreads play 4 absol, so you dont nessecarily have to farmer, you can stump discard 2 absol/eeveelutions/lapras/whatever are the best plays, windstorm it out and drop 1 more absol and 1 more eevee or whatever you find most fitting. You dont need to farmer in the same turn so no its not nessecarily slower. Normally you do it near late game when you need to take the last 1-2 prizes off of Absol + Attacks.


Windstorm/Stump is JUST as fast as SSU, except it doesnt require a flip and protects you from all the threatening cursed stone/cessation crysal threats (Trust me, you'll be thankful when you play against delta and see more windstorms rather than SSU ;x)

The fact that it is "flippy" is what makes it worse than Stump/Windstorm, as Countergyms/Anti C-Crystal is a neccisity in the deck ANYWAY you are only cutting from the consistancy to fit in SSU. I mean you already HAVE to play windstorm right? What would you rather add, 2 stump or 4 SSU? what saves more space? Plus Stump isnt a flip and allows you to play more draw.

Papi/Manny.... I dont get if you are being sarcastic or what but most successful Speed Spread lists play Windstorm/Stump.
 
Hawk Nelson, I was going along with everything you were saying, thinking that you had some good points, until i read this
See most speed spreads play 4 absol
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. That nullifies your entire argument. A GOOD speed spread DOESN'T want to start with absol. They play 4 mew, 4 eevee, and LESS absols. Absol isn't the point of the deck, at least, not a GOOD one. This deck was an IDEA that we all decided wouldn't be worth playing at nats, so Bolt decided to post it.
 
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Actually, no offense to you Captain petey, but just because "Team R" posted a deck doesnt mean its good. Who's to say they are not posting a joke deck? Many other "top notch" players have been known to do it before. *thinks back to the time TheAnswer3 posted his Dugtrio deck called DGP or something*.
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I never said it was good. I said if it was good they never would have posted it. The fact that they cant see it win made them figure to just post it so it doesnt go to waste at least.

Giant Stump is probably the best stadium in the game right now. It saves you from losing prizes against bench hitting decks abd so on and so forth. But SSU helps a lot too. If you dont like it dont play it thats all. But dont say its a dumb card and start bringing up stump. Even if you play SSU, your playing stump as well.
 
We have been working on this deck, it's not a joke. It's not great in our current metagame, so it's not the play for Nationals. What do any of us have to lose by posting this, then? Throwing an idea out there.

Stump is extremely tricky in a damage spread deck, probably the most situational card any deck would see. It's in here mainly to heal but also if you get it early when your opponent has a full bench, you stunt their setup. I'd probably run Scoop Up over it if I was better at flipping heads, though.
 
Props:
  • Throwing ideas out there.
  • Discussing ideas and strategies.
  • Explaining stuff.
Slops:
  • Calling people stupid, and ideas dumb
  • Accusations
  • Two word posts under giant quotes.
Fix the deck, not the poster. No fix? Move along (without comment).

Meh, I actually learned some stuff from this thread.
 
Kim: I resolved this outside of the gym, so I didn't feel the need to delete the posts her since all parties involved were enlightened.
 
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