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(MODs: Lock) When to Play that Secret Deck?

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Secret decks are cool and all but people are taking the concept to the point of SHEER LUNACY. Things like deleting POSTED decks because they're "too good and need to be kept secret" after discussion has already been underway. Or posting a CITY REPORT and listing someone's deck as being SECRET in the REPORT.

Or the ultimate, Archaic being effectively ostracized from the Australian player community for NAMING ONE POKEMON in the Aussie Nats WINNING deck.
 
the aussie champ played umbreon ex and mightyena ex with battle frontier, who would consider HIM a threat?
 
lol are you for real..he won with that? does everyone down under play mecury, cause that the only deck it would ever beat.
 
yeah i have a kingdra deck...its great curse a delta basic then hit it for 30 ohko all basics in the game or curse +80=100
then curse again for an easy prize then swing for 80
 
well, it sounds like everyone is saying that since the meta changes so much after each new set is released, why bother waiting?

SD ftw (but then again, it won't be a SD anymore after it wins) :biggrin:
 
sebastianlugo said:
i think diamond and pearl are released the day after worlds
We don't know that yet. All we know is Power Keepers for Feb, and that's about it...
 
Pablo said:
the aussie champ played umbreon ex and mightyena ex with battle frontier, who would consider HIM a threat?



sorry my mexican friend.....

our 10- champ used Ninetails
our 11-14 champ used Parasect RG/Meganium/Sunflora
our 15+ champ won with Deoxys, but used Eeveelutions at worlds


and Tag, Arhaic is A leak sack....dont get me started on him.....


KINGDRA D DID NOT WIN AUSTRALIAN NATIONALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Krucifier said:
sorry my mexican friend.....

our 10- champ used Ninetails
our 11-14 champ used Parasect RG/Meganium/Sunflora
our 15+ champ won with Deoxys, but used Eeveelutions at worlds


and Tag, Arhaic is A leak sack....dont get me started on him.....


KINGDRA D DID NOT WIN AUSTRALIAN NATIONALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If it didn't, then he isn't a leaksac, is he? :p
 
Depends on how much you play, I suppose. Now that my daughter's born, I have a lot more time to think up decks, and a lot fewer opportunities to play them. So I went ahead and used my "secret deck" for the Iron Chef tournament of champions this week, and it will break the format, even though I will only have played it at league or, if I'm lucky, one or two city championships.

And I'm not particularly secretive about it. It's name is in my details to the left of this post, and the list will be posted in its entirety once Patriarch judges the decks. Heck, I'd reveal the whole darn thing now, except it is that list itself that I'm competing with, and so I can't collect the glory for it quite yet. But I will...oh, yes, I will...

To answer the question at hand, I think you're best off not keeping your deck "secret" at all. There is no substitute for live-action playtesting against a variety of opponents, and even doing so does not necessarily mean that they will either tech against you or copy you (which, I think, are the two biggest fears secret-deck possessors have). Far better, I think, to have a deck well-tested and thus made consistent than to whip out something unproven for a major tournament, especially in the current metagame, when there isn't really a metagame. The deck you're going to jump out and surprise with your dominating secret deck might not even see play at the tournament you're in. Got a deck that kills Bandoom? What if you never face bandoom, and you end up getting shelled by some random Meganium d?

Of course, if you do have a secret deck that you think is format-breaking, the first thing you should do is make a semi-cryptic pretentious post about it so that you can get those all-important dibs on the intellectual property rights to it, and be hailed as one of the greatest deckmakers of all time. That's really, really important.
 
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See, Krucifier's nasty response embodies why the SD mentality is simply taken too far. People need to chill. Once a deck has been played, of course people are going to know what it does and that it exists. Trying to hide a deck that's already seen play and/or success (even the stupid NATIONALS WINNER) is just complete lunacy, especially when you get mad about someone reporting on the winning decks - which is always done, no exceptions.

Yes, we know netdecking is bad, but only in Pokemon do you get people who seemingly would die to keep their decks secret.


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To answer the question at hand, I think you're best off not keeping your deck "secret" at all. There is no substitute for live-action playtesting against a variety of opponents, and even doing so does not necessarily mean that they will either tech against you or copy you (which, I think, are the two biggest fears secret-deck possessors have). Far better, I think, to have a deck well-tested and thus made consistent than to whip out something unproven for a major tournament, especially in the current metagame, when there isn't really a metagame. The deck you're going to jump out and surprise with your dominating secret deck might not even see play at the tournament you're in. Got a deck that kills Bandoom? What if you never face bandoom, and you end up getting shelled by some random Meganium d?

And this is what Queendom was, arguably the most successful American "SD" ever created. It was kept "under wraps" but it was playtested endlessly before taking it to Worlds '05.
 
Tagrineth said:
See, Krucifier's nasty response embodies why the SD mentality is simply taken too far. People need to chill. Once a deck has been played, of course people are going to know what it does and that it exists. Trying to hide a deck that's already seen play and/or success (even the stupid NATIONALS WINNER) is just complete lunacy, especially when you get mad about someone reporting on the winning decks - which is always done, no exceptions.

Yes, we know netdecking is bad, but only in Pokemon do you get people who seemingly would die to keep their decks secret.


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And this is what Queendom was, arguably the most successful American "SD" ever created. It was kept "under wraps" but it was playtested endlessly before taking it to Worlds '05.


SD??? which of you jerks said SD??? *twitches*

no.....the point of that whole matter was he did it without those peoples permission, it would have been nice if he asked them if he could publish there decklist
 
The original intention of this thread was based on the assumption that the K-value for bigger events would be much larger than CCs. As we all have learned, that's not the case, so there is no need to save the deck for the bigger events. The "surprise" factor is definitely real, as evident by last year's nationals but I think in this format, consistency outweighs the benefit that the surprise factor may bring.
 
seriously, secret or not, australian decks are NOT a threat, as they include the broken combo of Umbreon ex and Battle Frontier.
 
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