Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

New Ho-Oh EX good for donking?

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AlmightyGoldenGarchomp

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Ho-Oh-EX - Fire - HP160
Basic Pokemon

Ability: Phoenix
This ability can be used 1 time during your turn if this card is in your discard pile. Flip 1 coin. If heads, attach 3 different Basic Energy cards to this card and play it onto your Bench.

[C][C][C] Rainbow Burn: 20+ damage. Does 20 more damage for each different type of Basic Energy attached to this Pokemon.

When Pokemon-EX has been Knocked Out, your opponent takes 2 Prize cards.

Weakness: Water (x2)
Resistance: Fighting (-20)
Retreat: 2
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First use Cilan, get 3 Energy, then Ultra Ball to discard 2 of them, get Ho-Oh EX, Junk Arm/Ultra Ball, discard Ho-Oh and the other energy. Then flip a a coin, and if heads attach and attack for 100. Is this too difficult to do on Turn 1, and its dependent on a coin flip. Thoughts?
 
Problem is that if you get tails you get counter-donked.

Also you must have something with free retreat or 1 to be able to put Ho-Oh on top. so it's really risky to rely on having:

- Cilan
- 2 Ultras
- Pokemon with free retreat (or 1)
- Get heads

It's even harder having in mind you're already wasting the Supporter on Cilan, so no PONT/Juniper/N to recharge.

I can see this as a turn 2-3 strategy, but by then, while you focus everything on Ho-Oh you might get donked really fast (or give away a couple prizes)
 
If Junk Arm is still around when we get Ho-Oh, we'll also still have Celebi. Hitting for 80 with a Celebi+Tornadus is easier than this.
 
Junk arm will be in standered for a short while when this comes out so dont mention junk arm. What would work is use cilan and then have Ho oh legend in your hand mean while then the next turn use profeseor juniper then try to flip heads.
 
Nothing against this idea, because it's always good to look for ways to donk. But, even if you flipped heads, attached another basic energy, had Celebi Prime as active and Skyarrow Bridge, allowing you to place a total of 5 energies to Ho-Ho, this would be 120dmg max. This would make for giant rise in Mewtwo-Ex tech's and Rotom UD.
 
Pokebeach.com said:

Ho-Oh-EX - Fire - HP160
Basic Pokemon
Ability: Phoenix
This ability can be used 1 time during your turn if this card is in your discard pile. Flip 1 coin. If heads, attach 3 different Basic Energy cards to this card and play it onto your Bench.
[C][C][C] Rainbow Burn: 20+ damage. Does 20 more damage for each different type of Basic Energy attached to this Pokemon.
When Pokemon-EX has been Knocked Out, your opponent takes 2 Prize cards.
Weakness: Water (x2)
Resistance: Fighting (-20)
Retreat: 2
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Unless you are including a manual Energy attachment and assuming it is of a fourth basic Energy Type, you'd just be hitting for 80 points of damage.

Plus it still is based on a coin flip. You certainly could run a deck like this, but I think it falls into the realm of fun deck. How many different Energy Types are you running? You probably should go the whole way and run like two of each Basic-Type (better odds any you manually draw are of a new Type), unless you had a secondary strategy planned.

Actually, it could be a very fun deck. Maybe run some Electrode Prime in case you have to play one from hand. The main downside is if you get one that is very effective (has six, seven, or all eight types of basic Energy attached), Mewtwo EX can OHKO it. Plus Reshiram EX and Zekrom EX just need a PlusPower (and of course Energy for their big attacks) to likewise OHKO it.

If you can build a deck that can reliably get three different basic Energy into the discard pile, get your starting Active Pokemon out of the way, and try to discard multiple Ho-oh EX as soon as possible (assuming the Ability stacks and can be used for each), and get two more basic Energy onto Ho-oh and/or some PlusPower,then it can be more than just a "fun" deck.:thumb:
 
I have mixed feelings on this card. At first glance it looks like a bad Mewtwo... Mewtwo can X-Ball for 20x ANY energy PLUS the energy on the defending Pokemon AND it takes 1 less energy to attach. This is also hit hard by Mewtwo... you need so much energy to do any real damage -- leaving you open to X-Ball.

On the other hand, this thing can literally put like 80 damage on the field at the flip of a coin. I don't see how this could be that hard to pull off... you get as many tries as you want almost. Just keep discarding them until you get it, with Ultra Balls and Juniper (and Collectors and Dual Balls if we still have them). I bet you can shuffle it back in with Super Rod and discard it again to re-try it too. You should be able to get 1 heads somewhere. I don't see a late game though... but if your deck plays 3+ basic energies this could be a beast. At the very least this looks fun.
 
Until a fundamental change in the rules is issued or a massive redesign of cards to literally make it impossible to score a first turn KO against even the smallest Pokemon... yeah, donks will still happen.

The question is how reliable donk deck can be built around the card and... I don't think it would be enough to make it in competitive play.
 
mewtwo

dce


kill your tynamo






donks play a huge part in this format.






(Edit: Compare -

dual ball
juniper
ho-oh flip (heads, lets assume)
attach the multiple different energies you discarded (of course)

...

kill tynamo)
 
Jahikoi said:
mewtwo

dce


kill your tynamo






donks play a huge part in this format.






(Edit: Compare -

dual ball
juniper
ho-oh flip (heads, lets assume)
attach the multiple different energies you discarded (of course)

...

kill tynamo)
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What idiot starts with Tynamo anymore, let alone run it?!

Donks must die, and soon. They're still killing the game in my opinion, even with a format that sees less if them...


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Aniro said:
What idiot starts with Tynamo anymore, let alone run it?!

Donks must die, and soon. They're still killing the game in my opinion, even with a format that sees less if them...


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Someone running a deck using Eelektrik and has a poor opening hand?

You want donks to disappear, work on a convincing case to present to the powers-that-be in Japan and alter the fundamental game rules.
 
Aniro said:
What idiot starts with Tynamo anymore, let alone run it?!

Donks must die, and soon. They're still killing the game in my opinion, even with a format that sees less if them...


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You do realize in this format ZEelZ (I'm not giving up on that name), is the most popular and successful deck right. Tynamo is, and likely will remain a consistent starter until better energy acceleration is printed.

As for donks, if we see a rotation to BW-on we'll lose a lot of the donk potential with the exceptions of Darkrai EX, Mewtwo EX, and Tornadus (EX), Thought they'll be significantly hindered due to the lack of Junk Arm and the like.
 
I would LOVE to see a deck that runs like 4 of each different kinds of energy and uses something like this. Something like ho-oh, tornadus, Shaymin UL, pachi, darkrai ex, eels, idk man. But I see this card having A LOT of potential. Also, do the energies have to be from hand or can they be from deck?
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I have so much in theory I want to know about the limitations of this card but I'm not gonna care until it comes out in English.
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Calm_Lava said:
I would LOVE to see a deck that runs like 4 of each different kinds of energy and uses something like this. Something like ho-oh, tornadus, Shaymin UL, pachi, darkrai ex, eels, idk man. But I see this card having A LOT of potential. Also, do the energies have to be from hand or can they be from deck?
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---------- Post added 03/22/2012 at 06:05 PM ----------

I have so much in theory I want to know about the limitations of this card but I'm not gonna care until it comes out in English.
Posted with Mobile style...
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4 of each different energy is 32 energy... If you did this, you would lose, I mean really the only deck that could get away with this is Mewperior.

As for energy attachement, it will be from hand, or MORE likely its a translation discrepancy and the energy will come from the discard too.
 
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