Non-Delta Archytypes

[brendan2236]

As soon as PK came out I was fairly excited because I thought that there might even be some playable archytypes (other then flariados and mewtric) that could be played without the holon engine. But it would seem that that is not the case. Can anybody think of a potentially good archy that can run without the holon engine?

 

[fchangus2]

I don't understand the question, non-delta archtypes have nothing to do with whether you run the holon engine or not. You can certainly have archtypes that consist of primarily non-delta pokemon but still run a light holon engine (for example, Bandoom is a non-delta archtype that uses a holon engine). You should differentiate the two in the discussion.

 

[brendan2236]

Good point. i am indeed refering to decks that run no holon engine.

 

[garsh0p]

Good point. i am indeed refering to decks that run no holon engine.

i think flariados or polistall are the only decks that are able to run without one.

 

[moza]

flariados runs quite well with the holon engine

Ludicargo doesn't need one, persay

 

[Houou_10]

Very unlikely - the Holon Engine is just so broken compared to every other searching engine. Also see, Castform

 

[KingGengar]

MewTrick needs no Holon Engine.

 

[Havoc]

this thread should be moved to TCG discussion.

 

[cloud9]

You can also use Scott/Castaway engine with Stevens ^^

 

[Houou_10]

MewTrick needs no Holon Engine.

And I'm Mewtric sure does well in the metagame right now.

 

[DreamChaser AJ]

Also fossil decks don't use the holon engine, because they don't play many basics. ^_^;;

 

[ryanvergel]

I can't think of a single good deck that doesn't now run the engine.

Nothing else is better...
3 basics
tvr-type draw and copycat-type draw
farmer
lass in some decks
researcher in delta decks

It boosts consistency SO much.

 

[Skull Bash]

Flairados is much better without the engine.

 

[Chromecatz]

your in the past skull

 

[ryanvergel]

Flairados is much better without the engine.

>_>

I pretty much go by whatever the Silvestros play. They are the best Flariados players, and they use the engine. I've played both versions, and I, too, like the holon engine better.

 

[Jigglypuff666]

Ludicargo is a great deck without the Holon Engine.

 

[Black_jirachi]

Super Stantler doesn't need it

 

[ryanvergel]

Super Stantler doesn't need it

:nonono:

If you play a good version of it you need it.

 

[Captain Petey]

:nonono:

If you play a good version of it you need it.

I actually agree. As for the topic itself, the holon engine is just so broken. Trans being a search for basics, a celios for delta, a tv reporter or a much worse version of copycat all in just 1 transceiver is great.

 

[Prime]

I 100% agree with Ryan and Captain Petey. The Holon engine is just too versatile and consistent. I haven't found a single deck that doesn't improve by adding the Holon engine to it. I think we might see some smaller versions of the Holon engine in the future with the release of some decent non-delta cards though.