Non-Professor wins Professor Cup!

[kd0220437]

Well, he obviously did possess an advantage -- he can play in whatever tournament he wants and playtest all he wants, while the majority of professors are judging/organizing/etc. His win can't really be considered legitimate, as the people he played against haven't (in theory) had as many opportunities to spend time playing competitively quite as much as he and us other players do.

You can play test all you want. Especially this year are you serious? We didn't know the format until a month before Nationals. I mean you can play games whenever you want. He won his games in legitimate fashion. He didn't enter correctly, but he played fairly.

 

[cole]

Well, he obviously did possess an advantage -- he can play in whatever tournament he wants and playtest all he wants, while the majority of professors are judging/organizing/etc. His win can't really be considered legitimate, as the people he played against haven't (in theory) had as many opportunities to spend time playing competitively quite as much as he and us other players do.

So basiclly, because he spend's more of his spare time practicing the game he has an advantage?

So should we perhaps inforce a set limit of games people can playtest?

After all, people who attends worlds and have more spare time then say a player who works full time, is married or has kids has an unfair advantage?

 

[grassmaster239]

He shouldn't have been playing at all, how is him playing fair

 

[n00bmuffin]

So basiclly, because he spend's more of his spare time practicing the game he has an advantage?

So should we perhaps inforce a set limit of games people can playtest?

After all, people who attends worlds and have more spare time then say a player who works full time, is married or has kids has an unfair advantage?

As others have said, this is the only chance lots of judges get to play in a tournament. He couldn't achieve the same against players in the same position as him....

 

[cole]

It's not, and he shouldn't have been playing. I said that straight away.

My argument is that him playing didn't give him and advantage in winning.

 

[kd0220437]

He shouldn't have been playing at all, how is him playing fair

It's not, but the games he played were fair. Once he was entered, he is a participant. I mean had they caught it in the first place, or had he not won, no one would care, or at least as much as they do.

 

[grassmaster239]

It is no ones fault but him that this has happened. He had to run his mouth about this. If he really felt guilty as he said in his article, he would have just emailed P!P.

 

[cole]

As others have said, this is the only chance lots of judges get to play in a tournament. He couldn't achieve the same against players in the same position as him....

Totally agree with you, was EPICLY unfair to the professors.

But, it did not give him a advantage in the tournament, and we can't really draw a conclusion to how he would have dont against other players in his position?

I am not defending him playing, but someone said that him cheating to enter was the same as him cheating to win. That's what I am talking about here, that he played in a fair, level playing feild.

He just shouldn't have been playing in that field

 

[kd0220437]

It is no ones fault but him that this has happened. He had to run his mouth about this. If he really felt guilty as he said in his article, he would have just emailed P!P.

Why not bring it to the attention of your peers? I mean, he realized that he messed up, and came clean about it to the entire community. I'm not saying what he did was right at all, it was wrong, but he is not the ONLY one to blame.

 

[n00bmuffin]

I was referring to the nationals main event -- where he played several people in his own position

 

[FunnyBear]

All I'm going to say on this matter is, Are you really going to try suing someone for entering a Pokemon tournament he shouldn't have? I'm not saying he did the right thing at all, but if your really going to try suing someone for that, I think you would be wasting your time. Also, I am in no way defending what he did, I agree with people that he should have not done that.

I would love to see a Youtube video of a meeting with a lawyer and whatever idiot decided to try and hire him for this kind of lawsuit. You'd never even get to summary dismissal; you'd be laughed out of the lawyer's office.

Enough already. The kid deserves censure, but even a lifetime ban is too much. If he returns the value of the items and P!P removes his title, we should consider the matter closed. i don't get the people that are out for blood here. Find something more important to go crazy over. Geez.

 

[grassmaster239]

Why not bring it to the attention of your peers? I mean, he realized that he messed up, and came clean about it to the entire community. I'm not saying what he did was right at all, it was wrong, but he is not the ONLY one to blame.

Actually, he is the only one that should be blamed. the Judges simply trusted someone.. Nothing wrong with that. The idiot knew that he couldn't play, but he lied to the judges. So, he is a liar and a cheater, and a fraud.

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I would love to see a Youtube video of a meeting with a lawyer and whatever idiot decided to try and hire him for this kind of lawsuit. You'd never even get to summary dismissal; you'd be laughed out of the lawyer's office.

Enough already. The kid deserves censure, but even a lifetime ban is too much. If he returns the value of the items and P!P removes his title, we should consider the matter closed. i don't get the people that are out for blood here. Find something more important to go crazy over. Geez.

What would that show? It would show that you can do whatever the hell you want in tournaments and not get in trouble as long as you return what you won.

 

[Rocketman]

I am being honest in saying, after reading pokemum's WALLOFTEXT I agree, and understand her P.O.V. Also after reading some of the other links showing our friend AA's attitude on other sites it enough to put me off. I understand the hardwork you guys put in. I am "studying" to take the professor exam . I have to speak rather generally here, as I have never met a pokemon professor, heck I am not even sure there are any in my country? But I can't disagree with you when you say without all the professors / league leaders / judges and all the other people who put in the hard time to make this game possible, there wouldn't be alot.

@Rocketman, sorry if earlier post's were "rude" or offensive. I still don't quite get the point you were trying to make, but
I certainly understand it from the words Pokemum used.

no worries.
As far as him having an advantage.....again, not the point. Being a professor doesn't mean you are a great player, it means you will be working to help the game grow so you will have something to playtest for.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Lifetime ban? I don't think that's sufficient. And what makes you think that you have the right to sell that trophy that's clearly not yours? Shame, shame... your momma must be very proud:nonono:

Didn't he get in under a fake name? What good will a lifetime ban be if nobody knows him by his real name anyway? Can we REALLY expect to dig up his real name and if we actually do, then can we expect organizers to identify him by his new fake name and face in the future? I highly doubt it...

Aside from that, he was at least honest enough to admit he was wrong in doing so. I think a lifetime ban is a little extreme as it is even if it were to be effective. I personally believe the best way to go about handling this is to give him a temporary ban until all cards in the current format get completely rotated out. That's about what? 2-4 seasons/years? That is if he's even still interested among that time.

On a much less serious note: Anyone think Imposter Professor Oak will be reprinted now following this? >_>

 

[jconti2818]

I'd like to address this issue from a different perspective: can word be relayed to the Pokemon administrators that the community of professors wants to work with them to prevent this from happening again and that we implore them to not ruin this event because of one bad apple when the remaining 98% of us are honest hard working professors who love the game and love running leagues? I hope PiP sees this as an aberration, does some modification of checking eligibility, and moves on from it with the thought of making the 2012 Professors Cup, the best event ever. As somebody who realistically never has a chance to Top Cut at Nats (and have not yet had the opportunity to judge at Nats), I look forward to the Professors Cup as the one tournament that I have a half way decent chance of having a good record and maybe even top cutting. I hope if PiP reads this post they will understand that although I share in my counterparts' disappointment, I hope that once the offending player is appropriately disciplined and steps enacted to prevent this from happening again that we can learn from this mistake and pledge to make next year's Professor Cup even better! If the opposite happens and this tarnishes or even worse cancels future Professor Cups, then the offending player will have stolen more from us than just this year's prizes.

One final irony from my personal perspective--I played Blastoise/Floatzel in the Professors Cup and was disappointed when I lost to a fire deck in the first round; I think I now remember who my firrst round opponent was!

I echo others that it is time to move on.

jconti2818
Proud Professor and League Leader, Time Warp Comics and Games, Cedar Grove, NJ

 

[Bilbo Baggins]

What ever happened to the old fashioned concept of taking responsibility for your actions!?!?!?!?!

Hipsters born after 1992 changed it to Actions that benefit yourself are okay even thou it brings everyone else around you down.

EDIT:

Almost 24 hours since he Stated he will take down the trophy and give it back. The item is still up for auction. Another one of his lies? 110% says yes.

 

[evil psyduck]

Didn't he get in under a fake name? What good will a lifetime ban be if nobody knows him by his real name anyway? Can we REALLY expect to dig up his real name and if we actually do, then can we expect organizers to identify him by his new fake name and face in the future? I highly doubt it...

Aside from that, he was at least honest enough to admit he was wrong in doing so. I think a lifetime ban is a little extreme as it is even if it were to be effective. I personally believe the best way to go about handling this is to give him a temporary ban until all cards in the current format get completely rotated out. That's about what? 2-4 seasons/years? That is if he's even still interested among that time.

On a much less serious note: Anyone think Imposter Professor Oak will be reprinted now following this? >_>

No he did not use a fake name.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Ah, that makes more sense then. But still, even without using one, it's not as if he can't use one. We don't ask for ID's or anything at leagues and like I stated before, he could easily get around it because I highly doubt people are going to memorize his face over the years/months. Plus, who's to say that he wouldn't attempt this if desired... Seeing as he now has a reputation for lying. I don't see a ban doing much more justice.

 

[cole]

no worries.
As far as him having an advantage.....again, not the point. Being a professor doesn't mean you are a great player, it means you will be working to help the game grow so you will have something to playtest for.

Understood.

And I know that him having an advantage wasn't the point. I simply raised that point as some people were saying he was cheating, and were implying/saying that he had an advantage by playing in the competition, and I find that silly. That's the only reason I have argued the point. He had no advantage WHATSOEVER and won fair and square. But this dose not at all dismiss the fact he shouldn't have been able to win, and should have never entered. I agree with that 100%

 

[grassmaster239]

Ah, that makes more sense then. But still, even without using one, it's not as if he can't use one. We don't ask for ID's or anything at leagues and like I stated before, he could easily get around it because I highly doubt people are going to memorize his face over the years/months. Plus, who's to say that he wouldn't attempt this if desired... Seeing as he now has a reputation for lying. I don't see a ban doing much more justice.

If he wins anything bigger then a Cities people would recognize him.