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Steve: The 1st question was probably OK in this thread...being a generic "if they dont go, will the invites go to grinder?". It is the 2nd Q IMO that crossed the line. They obviously wouldnt have posted this situation if they werent trying to get there.

I hope that they get to go to Worlds, therefore the "vulture" questions end. Make a thread, just like in years past, as in "Anyone know someone who has an invite and isnt going and the age group".

By PM Steve, I meant PM'ing the original poster. They would be more likely to share that info in private vs within the thread.

Keith
 
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From my point of view, I think that whoever doesn't go to worlds should have their invites placed in the grinder. I know it's not going to happen or anything, but it would make a lot of sense in my opinion, so whoever couldn't make it, another person would have a shot.

And all Steve was doing was asking a simple question, that's all.

I think that IS going to happen. If worlds has a field of 64, are we really going to have an event wit 59? That doesn't make a lot of sense. Then again...
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I think POP over-books worlds invites anticipating this sort of thing. Thats why 10- get more invites. They are usually the ones more likely not to use the trips. So theres a good chance that the invites wont be passed down. Theres probably more than 64 invites given out to each age group so there probably wont be pass downs for the grinder.
I could be completely wrong.
 
I think there is a lesson to be learned for next year and the consistency and dedication POP should expect from those they work with. I know this is of no value to those with a problem this year, but if we can't use this problem to reach a future solution, than the problem lies beyond the scope of people getting to worlds.
 
I think there is a lesson to be learned for next year and the consistency and dedication POP should expect from those they work with. I know this is of no value to those with a problem this year, but if we can't use this problem to reach a future solution, than the problem lies beyond the scope of people getting to worlds.
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a voice of reason in a thread of chaos
 
SD PokéMom said:
so why take the thread off-topic with the 'question' when it could have been asked in it's own thread, thus avoiding completely the appearance that some players were looking to capitalize on the misfortunes of the european players?

'mom
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Now there's an "off topic" here? If you were worried about it being off topic then you should've mentioned it sooner...however, I get the impression that it would be on topic! Bleh, I Guess we agree to disagree. :eek:
 
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Oh my... I really didn't mean for you guys to start fighting. I think we were just looking for a little understanding and sympathy and we felt the need to air our anger and frustration.

We have every intention of going to the Worlds but we also intend to fight for our rights and travel awards. I'm sorry if this means that there'll be fewer invites up for grabs in the grinder. We would love for you all to be able to go and we'd really like to meet you all there.
 
Unused invites go into the grinder. POP has stated such before. I don't quite see the purpose of asking that particular question again unless the poster was unaware that that has been POPs policy this year and in previous years. So lets assume that the poster didn't know. The Q was asked and got a response. Fair enough.

All POP can tell anyone is the minimum number of invites from the grinder.

Now suppose that the Belgian winners post that they aren't able to come. Will you sue them if they are able to make the trip and turn up thus denying all the grinder players that extra slot or three? I'm not sure if the boots analogy was quite right. Seems like John isn't even dead and we are stripping the body.

The Belgian distributor gave the winners 4 days to decide. 4 days. Four! :( I can see exactly why "the some" that a variety of posters refer too would think that asking if the Belgian winners had made up their minds just yet is a little premature and somewhat insensitive to their plight.

Looks like I'm in the "some" group doesn't it? Nope I'm in the middle and here's why: It isn't always possible to determine motive from posts on a bulletin board. Even the most innocent of questions can be mis-interpreted. So don't get all angry when someone posts that the question can be interpreted a different way. Instead thank them for the opportunity to clear up the confusion before it gets out of hand.
 
Lawman - To my knowledge we never even announced "Trip or Travel Award" as a prize anywhere, and certainly not that it would be all expenses paid.
The enveloppe from PUI that was handed out states that they receive a full paid trip & stay, but the winners were warned that this was not yet certain when they received those enveloppes.

Rainbowgym - Head bounty? Sorry, but I don't even have a clue what you're talking about ...

No idea what would happen with the invites if they aren't used, but it seems likely that these would pass on to the grinder (as was done during previous years).

We're still hoping for other solutions, I'll be contacting the winners as soon as I have any info to give.
 
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Rainbowgym - Head bounty? Sorry, but I don't even have a clue what you're talking about ...
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Ask your boss for the OP contract.
Lust like the USA PTO's are awarded for their work, also is your company.
There is only one small difference, in the USA the PTO's work for it and in Europe the common people do the work without being rewarded.
 
Going to the US is expensive.
1000Euros is already ok.

Think of us Singaporeans. Only Masters get the trip,(note the singular) and we have to pay for lodgings and travel within the US.
 
Rainbowgym - Has it ever occured to you that perhaps the way things are handled with PTO's in the US is not the same as with LD's in Europe?
Contrary to what you believe we do not get money for every player we have in a tournament, there is no flat budget we get every year to spend as we see fit or whatever. Any discounts we have also have to pay our personnel, warehouse, marketing expenses and a lot of other things you don't take into account. Like most of the rest of the world, we're just trying to make a living and don't have heaps of cash lying around to give away as we see fit.

I know you've grown a dislike of LD's, but that doesn't mean we're evil *beep* that will eat Pokemon babies just to make 2 euros profit :nonono:


Either way, I'm not going into a discussion with you on that topic. Feel free to post whatever you want (as you do anyways) - I will still read it, but don't expect many responses.
 
OK, we're done with the question of whether there will be extra invites up for grabs. And done with commenting on commenting on it.

Back to this.
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Lawman - To my knowledge we never even announced "Trip or Travel Award" as a prize anywhere, and certainly not that it would be all expenses paid.
The enveloppe from PUI that was handed out states that they receive a full paid trip & stay, but the winners were warned that this was not yet certain when they received those enveloppes.
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Hmm. Don't know about European law, but US law generally holds that written statements given to a consumer are legally binding.
Verbal caveats won't affect a written statement one little bit.
But that's US consumer law. Anyone know European or this coutry's law in this area?
 
UK - both are potentially binding contracts. written and verbal. The issue for the lawyers will be if the verbal reduction modified the written contract or indeed was such as to mean that there was no contract at all, as agreement is necessary before a contract is formed. I don't know the answer because this type of issue never came up in the outline courses on contract law that employers subject their employees to.

Usually the problem is the other way around with the verbal contract promissing more than the written one. Though not always easy to prove the verbal additions are consider part of the written contract or grounds for misrepresentation and damages.
 
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Jann said:
Rainbowgym - Has it ever occured to you that perhaps the way things are handled with PTO's in the US is not the same as with LD's in Europe?
Contrary to what you believe we do not get money for every player we have in a tournament, there is no flat budget we get every year to spend as we see fit or whatever. Any discounts we have also have to pay our personnel, warehouse, marketing expenses and a lot of other things you don't take into account. Like most of the rest of the world, we're just trying to make a living and don't have heaps of cash lying around to give away as we see fit.

I know you've grown a dislike of LD's, but that doesn't mean we're evil *beep* that will eat Pokemon babies just to make 2 euros profit :nonono:


Either way, I'm not going into a discussion with you on that topic. Feel free to post whatever you want (as you do anyways) - I will still read it, but don't expect many responses.
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You don't have to discuss anything with me, you better try to talk with the Norway, Sweden, Finland or Denmark LD. Those companies are able to provide tournament support (equal as in the USA) and full paid trips and are still able to run their company.
(and also Germany, France, Italy etc but I will avoid anything like" well those markets are bigger).

So I don't dislike LD's in general, I dislike LD's who are not supporting the game they are supposed to do with discount they get for that.
 
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So I don't dislike LD's in general, I dislike LD's who are not supporting the game they are supposed to do with discount they get for that.
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I never thought I'd say this.....

BUT,

WELL SAID LIA!!!

Poor accounting is one thing, outright stealing from the players is a horrible, horrible thing to do. Are you forgetting these people are your CUSTOMERS???

I sure hope PUI steps up to the plate and sets this all straight. Seems a little shady, if you ask me.

Jimmy
 
Well, it is a sad story. As a TO working in this Belgium I do believe that solutions will be found, I am sure that Kristel, Pia and all the other Women (of our lovely country) will swamp Pop with mails.

I do believe that we will try to get all our players to Hawai, so I am sure there will be no invites to pick, sorry you guys. But they did earn them, so they should at least try to use them.

Although Intrafin is not perfect, we do know of this fact YES!!!, I am not hoping on it to be better the next year or even getting worse. We just try and get by with what we get and I believe we are doing a good job.

I know in all the other countries it is better because of the prize support, I must know, because I judged a lot of tournaments outside of Belgium the past years.

As for being announced that the trip was included, I do remember something of that, but I checked the website and that line was missing (quite creepy!), so it is possible that I am mistaken.

Let's just hope this turns out well!

Timmy
 
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