Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Please stop giving me packs!

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Yeah, I agree. The next question is obviously, where do you draw the line? It's probably best if you don't go there in the first place. The organizer should never be under compulsion to acquire or pay for lunch or dinner for anyone besides his/her own family. Those who do get involved with that are going way above and beyond their responsibilities. I hope of course that this isn't the case, but doing so could come back and bite them in the butt. (Of course that's coming from the experience of a former PTO that used to also get food as needed. Of course I don't remember a time where it bit me in the butt, but that could just be from my poor memory!) The best alternative choice for those PTO's who find their players want something different than packs, is to (well in advance) acquire alternative prizing of the same quality or pricing.
 
As much as any restaurant would love to have a $300 order, they would probably also appreciate it if you phoned in the order in advance of the event day. Preregistration would therefore be needed to get a handle on how much pizza to order.

You don't need pizza to fill up everyone. However, following the observation that people become annoyed when the coffee pot is empty, light refreshments--pizza included--are probably not the way to go.

I think fixating on one suggestion is not what FunnyBear is getting at. If I understand correctly, FunnyBear is looking for a tournament to be an experience. Pizza was just an example.
 
losjackal said:
I strongly agree with not trying to collect money from everyone for pizza. Some people bring their own food, some people don't like/eat pizza.
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At a recent CC, I simply printed event rosters and penciled in two columns: "Cheese" and "Pepperoni". Posted it a table then let the players write in the # of slices desired. Totaled it up. Called in the order. Collected appropriate money+delivery tip. No sweat.
 
Abudoggie said:
At a recent CC, I simply printed event rosters and penciled in two columns: "Cheese" and "Pepperoni". Posted it a table then let the players write in the # of slices desired. Totaled it up. Called in the order. Collected appropriate money+delivery tip. No sweat.
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I figured it would be this easy. Sure its extra work but for a event thats going to last all day, why not try it and see if it works.
 
the packs you say you don't want/need are (in CCs and above) the prize support from pokemon. PTOs are not able to take away the cash value of those packs and spend those monies elsewhere for more 'desirable' prizes.
 
Some states require a vending license to sell food. There can also be regulations that must be met in order to get the license.
 
^ As a commercial business, of course, especially with regulations governing the safe handling of food for making the pizzas. But no one is going to care that someone ordered pizzas and split the cost among people who want some. That happens every day.
 
SD PokeMom said:
the packs you say you don't want/need are (in CCs and above) the prize support from pokemon. PTOs are not able to take away the cash value of those packs and spend those monies elsewhere for more 'desirable' prizes.
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Of course there are constraints from TPCi, but these can be changed. Last season you couldn't put rounds on a schedule because a sudden death match could go on for an indeterminate amount of time, and now you can.

I'm suggesting that we try to think out of the box a bit, especially in light of funding that wasn't there before. In a Regionals a couple of years ago we had a creative center with a bunch of pictures and crayons. The pictures were posted and judged and a winner announced in each division. My wife won in Masters and we still have that picture. How much did that cost to run?
 
FunnyBear, I re-read your posts to get a better sense of where you are coming from. I think this discussion has gotten lost in the weeds.

You're simply saying now that you're paying money, you'd like to have a better tournament experience. That's logical.

From an organizer perspective, Masters attendance is no longer being subsidized by TPCi. I do not know the numbers, but I imagine it is at least a break-even proposition compared to previous years, with those fees from Masters helping to pay for event space and staff time. So fundamentally, the organizers are simply trying to recreate the same experience as before with a different economic model.

Now...what to do better? As you point out, deeper prizes of packs doesn't matter to you. To others, if they pay $10 for admission to a City, and walk away with 4 packs because they made Top 16, they probably think "I made my money back, I can go to the next one". Let's agree that is the simplest improvement, and particularly economical for the organizer since they can usually acquire packs for less than the single-pack retail value.

For better or worse, players will begin to develop an expectation of this additional deeper prize support for Masters. They may be turned off from events that do not offer it.

So then your question becomes, what can organizers do above and beyond packs to make a better tournament experience? That is indeed an interesting question, since organizers now need to better market their events to consistently draw players willing to pay. We can try thinking about it from a value perspective ("what do I get for my $10?") instead of a cost perspective ("what can the organizer spend my $10 on?").
 
honestly with the packs the best thing to do is just "return" them to a Walmart or target and get gift cards there, it's far more than you'd get trying to sell them to any1 else, plus a giftcard at one of two said chains is ALMOST cash.
 
CFOURCOLTSFAN said:
honestly with the packs the best thing to do is just "return" them to a Walmart or target and get gift cards there, it's far more than you'd get trying to sell them to any1 else, plus a giftcard at one of two said chains is ALMOST cash.
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And then there's the ethical discussion that comes into play.
 
Lol, I love how he just assumes you hand a product to WalMart, and because they sell a variation of it, they will just take it.

"Here's a can of Pepsi, I don't want it anymore, just put it in a 24-pack and give me a giftcard, thanks."
 
CFOURCOLTSFAN said:
It's Walmart, honestly what I usually do is trade the pokemon packs for magic packs :p and maybe a soda
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As if that matters. You are getting money and or product for something you did not buy from them. No better then walking in and just stealing what you want. Oh wait, that is what you did!
 
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evil psyduck said:
As if that matters. You are getting money and or product for something you did not buy from them. No better then walking in and just stealing what you want. Oh wait, that is what you did!
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Trading something for something of relatively equal value is not stealing. Unless they're not going to sell the returned item, in which case I would question why they accepted the returned item without a receipt.
 
LunarWolf21 said:
Trading something for something of relatively equal value is not stealing. Unless they're not going to sell the returned item, in which case I would question why they accepted the returned item without a receipt.
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Did he buy the packs from there? NO He is getting something from there he never should have unless he bought the pokemon packs there. Stealing is stealing no matter how you try to twist it.
 
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