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POP Policy Change Regarding Foreign-Language Cards

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At LEAGUE I would play all Japanese decks. I also made sure that I had translations of every card. That was for fun. When I went to a tournament I played English cards with some Japanese ones. The Japanese ones were either impossible to afford English cards or an evolution or two that I had looked at before release and felt they were worth trying out. Once I had them I played them. IF I had enough English through prizes, or random purchases, I phased out the Japanese cards. I guess I am lucky though in that the next set was the last one I bought anything major from. So I guess I am guilty of "living in the future." The reality is that I was looking at the future to see what was coming and how to be prepared for it.

As far as the judges go, I know some and get along with them. I also know that I do not have the time to "get more involved" and judge in order to get "free cards." So my goal now will to play out the next few months and when the game gets too expensive to be competitive, and it will, I will stop playing. Thanks POP for everything.
 
I completely agree with your assessment, Keith. Those attempting to vilify POP are ignoring the high probability that this was not a POP decision. For me, I think this was definitely not a POP decision, or even a PUI/NOA decision, but rather Nintendo of Japan protecting their interests.

Ever notice that little label on the Japanese boxes that says "NOT FOR SALE OUTSIDE OF JAPAN"? Well, here's a very creative way to enforce it. That label, by the way, is why I have no sympathy for the complainers here. You all played with fire and just got burned.

And before anyone comes back and says "why did they allow foreign cards", I'm pretty sure the rule was designed to allow for players and collectors who trade cards with people overseas, not to create a black market for product intended to stay on Japanese shelves.

How is it playing with fire? We were never told that there was a chance we would not be allowed to use them. If there was ever a disclaimer that "Hey, we're considering banning them so take that into consideration when buying" maybe this wouldn't be such a hot issue.


btw, wanna pay $500 for my deckbox as I asked earlier? Need to buy english cards.
 
How is it playing with fire? We were never told that there was a chance we would not be allowed to use them. If there was ever a disclaimer that "Hey, we're considering banning them so take that into consideration when buying" maybe this wouldn't be such a hot issue.

Do you live in Japan? No? Then you shouldn't even be buying them. This is not rocket science. I love how you just completely disregarded my last paragraph.

btw, wanna pay $500 for my deckbox as I asked earlier? Need to buy english cards.

I'd love to know what problem you have with me in that you feel the need to keep bringing this up in random threads as some sort of unfunny, idiotic joke. Get a life.
 
How much heat does the presence of JP cards take out of the secondary market?
Does the secondary market support OP either directly or indirectly?
Have players made financial gains by buying Japanese boxes?
Is there any lost revenue because of the use of JP cards?
Where does that lost revenue have most impact?
Does allowing JP cards help the spread of OP?

Some of these look like easy yes/no questions but they aren't, there is interaction between them. I can see reason in arguement from both sides.

TheSupes has been buying English cards and is concerned about the impact on the secondary market. I'm concerned too as I have to buy singles too. I don't want the secondary market to determine the price of pokemon cards. I remember how bad it was with Base set.

I'm a Brit so am somewhat isolated from mainland Europe. But whereas I can see why the decision to remove JP product from competative play in the USA and elsewhere might be made I am struggling to see any benefit from the local language rules in Europe. Imagine a NY player not being able to play in New Jersey because their locally purchased cards have the wrong accent. SoCal can't use their cards in NoCal. Florida has universal cards but Washington gets only local use cards. I'm worried for Europe.
 
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Do you live in Japan? No? Then you shouldn't even be buying them. This is not rocket science. I love how you just completely disregarded my last paragraph.



I'd love to know what problem you have with me in that you feel the need to keep bringing this up in random threads as some sort of unfunny, idiotic joke. Get a life.

If I buy them from someone in japan, then I am NOT wrong and have every right to buy them.


And you know, with $500 I could buy a new life

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Ok, im done with this thread. people either get it or they don't.


I'm out,
 
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A lot of the Japanese trade their cards at worlds.
it a very good cultural learning experience trading with them.
 
Guns don't kill people - people do. Stop blaming guns. :rolleyes:

There are rules for using guns. You can't just "sling" them as you wish.

Same goes for using non-local-language cards (ie., Japanese).

Moderation IS an expectation whenever you do something.

Knives, fists, and garden gnomes kill people too. But only if a person uses them to do that. It's the person that makes anything a weapon.

Yes, and the rules say you can use Japanese cards. The rules don't say you can only use Japanese cards if you have less than 10. It says you can use them, as long as you have a translation. As long as all these conditions are met, then the player is doing nothing wrong by using Japanese cards.

Now, the player may be doing other things wrong, but that doesn't mean that using a full Japanese deck is wrong. It is important to correctly identify the cause of the problem.

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Ditto, the reply to your question is here:
A player playing a 90% Japanese-card deck should have their references arranged in a way to provide quick and easy access to them. If a player has not done so, and/or if the player uses the opportunity to slow the game by continuously checking the references for their own cards (which they should know what they do since it is that players own deck), then that can--and will--lead a judge to consider slow play / ruleslawyering / cheating (as defined in the rules in the quote).

I don't see the words "in moderation" in there either, but using Japanese cards in excess and not being prepared to deal with that excess (such as having all of your references accounted for, arranging your references for quick/easy access, and knowing what all of your cards say/do) means you shouldn't be using Japanese cards and you are using them to an extent which is beyond what the guidelines have allowed.

So why don't you follow the guidelines and give the appropriate penalty?

As I've said before, there are rules laid out for using Japanese cards. As long as those rules are followed, what's the problem? If those rules aren't followed, then there are penalties and they should be assigned.

Basically you are assuming that anyone using Japanese cards is a cheater. This is simply not the case. Some players playing Japanese cards will cheat, and some won't. Each should be dealt with accordingly. Likewise, some players using English cards will cheat, others won't.

The use of Japanese cards versus English cards has nothing to do with whether a player is cheating or not. Again, identify the real problem, not the scapegoat.

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This is what enables the player to do it. Reflective sleeves are also not permitted because they allow a player to cheat. The player using reflective sleeves may not intend to cheat, but the possibility is there and so the reflective sleeves have been banned.

So because I can cheat with English cards, those should be banned too? -_-;
 
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A whole bunch of people here in my country actually rely on the cheaper Japanese cards. Thank goodness I try my best to keep my decks in English, because I hate carrying around a translation. =P
 
"investments" in future sets?

...in other words, speculation or taking a gamble?

as in, trying to get a jump on the 'market': once something new is commonly known as the big card in format you not only already have 'yours', but have them to sell and profit from via those late-to-the-party?

'mom

You'll see that Cyrus didn't include any sets that were not already in English in his plan. He had DP-Pt. All of the contents of these sets are fully known as of the date of POP's decision. There's no gamble in that. POP said we'd be able to use foreign cards so we took their word for it and bought foreign cards.
 
WHAT!!! The Aftermarket Prices Have just gone through the roof!


I usually Dont Care about small changes... But This one Really Really SUCKS.

This is going to drive the prices of everything from singles to boxes all the way up!
 
I like the change. Maybe just maybe this will lead to better prizes or just continued free premier tournaments.

For those of you who have complained about smaller prizes at the big events and now complain about you now have to pay more for a card or actually open more packs to see what you get here is a dose of business reality for you:

You all seem to forget what the business purpose of a free tournement with real cost such as staff, space rental and prizes paid for by the sponsor. To generate pack sales greater than the cost of the event would be my guess. I would be surpised if they are able to financially justify the cost. Why are there rare cards and ultra rare cards? To sell more packs. What do you do when a major protion of your sales (premier event players) undercuts your marketing strategy by buying foreign cards? You still need money to produce a tournament event. Increase pack sales by disqualifying foreign cards.

Let's see what the cost of allowing a Japan Uxie Lv x is to English Pack sales. You would have to open 3 boxes to get one. Assume they get $2 a pack. 3 boxes times 36 packs times $2 = $216. That is $216 less than they can use to pay for our free events for each deck using one of each.

The other thing you all have forgetten is this is a TRADING Card Game not a buy foreign cards so I can make my deck cheaper than the guy next to me because he has no connections card game. God forbid that you actually trade cards at league rather than take the short cut and get a foreign card off ebay.
 
Personally, I won't be emailing anyone. Those who've "purposely" invested in Japanese cards because it's "cool" to use them, have absolutely NO leg to stand on. Likewise, those who buy them because they're cheaper or have a better rarity ratio, have little-to-no basis for argument.

There's NO need to use massive amounts of Japanese cards at premier events if you have the English ones -- other than to be "cool" or to disrupt.

And Keith (Lawman), if you're limiting players from freely using Japanese cards, I commend you. I just wish I got the same response from my PTO, HJ, and fellow judges when I tried to do the same at Regionals last year.

Someone up-above has had enough of this "abusive/excessive" use of Japanese cards by a handful of players who think it's "cool," and IMO, have brought this on themselves.

Again you are doing nothing but bringing your personal opinion into what is supposed to be an unbiased judgment.

First, how do people who have bought Japanese cards have no leg to stand on? They were told by POP that they would be allowed to use Japanese cards. Now, after they have bought the Japanese cards, POP is saying that they can't use them.

That's the same as:

Officer: OK, SteveP, you have 30 days to pay this ticket.
SteveP: OK, thanks.
*next day*
Officer: Actually, we changed it so that you only have 10 hours to pay the ticket. You're late. You're going to jail.

How is that right at all?

It's not a matter of whether you think players have a need to do something or not. The fact is that as long as they follow all the rules, they are allowed to, whether they need to or not.
 
Come on now Mike. Have you EVER enforced the rule for someone using a Japanese basic energy card to have an outside reference? If you didn't, that you weren't doing your job, and should get "b-slapped." :tongue::wink:

There's absolutely NO reason to ban basic energies in ANY language. If so, then things have certainly gotten rotten, IMO.

SteveP: That's a silly question and you know it.
There is no translation for Basic Energy.

I have, however, enforced the ban on Basic Energy cards from World Championship decks being use in Premiere events.
Now that would be a fair comparison.
I felt stupid doing it, but I did it.
 
I do somewhat agree that Fall 2009 is a bit early to "ban" my few Japanese cards I have. Maybe Fall 2010 would've been a better date. That way, whatever players have bought up until now will rotate out by then.

And, I doubt Japanese basic energies will ever be actually banned. For those players who think it's "cool" to play with Japanese cards, I'll bet you can still probably get away with using Japanese basic energy cards.

I would be fine with a Fall 2010 date too. And that's really all I'm asking for. If they want to make it English only, then fine, it's their game, but do it in a way that's fair to people.

And you can not use Japanese energy. That's been stated many times.

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Oh my! Someone on this board actually understands how the world works?

If everyone was buying foreign cards, there would be no POP, no tournaments, no nothing. Instead of complaining, be grateful that the Pokemon community consists of hundreds of friendly, generous players who are always willing to lend and trade cards.

Maybe the local stores should be competitive with their pricing. In the real world, the winner gets the spoils. Don't expect to get rewarded for doing a crappy job (directed at the stores, not at you).
 
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The other thing you all have forgetten is this is a TRADING Card Game not a buy foreign cards so I can make my deck cheaper than the guy next to me because he has no connections card game. God forbid that you actually trade cards at league rather than take the short cut and get a foreign card off ebay.

do i really have to rip off( THIS MEANS BAD TRADE, NOT THEFT, POKEMOM PLEASE DON"T BAN ME AGAIN FOR NOTHING) more little kids. Seriously, thats what you'll see alot more when you have $50 to gain over $20.
 
I like the change. Maybe just maybe this will lead to better prizes or just continued free premier tournaments.

For those of you who have complained about smaller prizes at the big events and now complain about you now have to pay more for a card or actually open more packs to see what you get here is a dose of business reality for you:

You all seem to forget what the business purpose of a free tournement with real cost such as staff, space rental and prizes paid for by the sponsor. To generate pack sales greater than the cost of the event would be my guess. I would be surpised if they are able to financially justify the cost. Why are there rare cards and ultra rare cards? To sell more packs. What do you do when a major protion of your sales (premier event players) undercuts your marketing strategy by buying foreign cards? You still need money to produce a tournament event. Increase pack sales by disqualifying foreign cards.

Let's see what the cost of allowing a Japan Uxie Lv x is to English Pack sales. You would have to open 3 boxes to get one. Assume they get $2 a pack. 3 boxes times 36 packs times $2 = $216. That is $216 less than they can use to pay for our free events for each deck using one of each.

The other thing you all have forgetten is this is a TRADING Card Game not a buy foreign cards so I can make my deck cheaper than the guy next to me because he has no connections card game. God forbid that you actually trade cards at league rather than take the short cut and get a foreign card off ebay.


LOL... No the prizes wont get any better as a result...

and something to think on

an english uxie gose for 15-20 dollars

A Japannese Uxie goes for 4-6

since the japaneese uxie is now Banned what do you think will happen to that US Uxie
 
No argument from me there. But, you can't base your argument to PUI on that premise. You have to approach this from the view point of whether using them is disruptive or causes problems at premier events.

Personally, I don't think moderate use of Japanese cards is a problem. The problem occurs when their use becomes excessive, even abusive.

Maybe you address this in a post I haven't gotten to yet, but WHY is having a full Japanese deck disruptive. You keep saying it is when you have given no evidence as to how it is, and there have been numerous arguments for how it is not.

So I ask again, how is a full Japanese deck disruptive?

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DarthPika and drmario, you need to understand that SteveP's position on this is the overuse of Japanese cards. He doesn't care if a player needs to use 2 Japanese Uxie because that player has no English ones, given you have a reference for them. He cares if a player comes into a tournament with 90% of the deck being in the non-native language. There is no reason to have such a high concentration of Japanese cards in a single deck. There is no reason to not use Japanese Switch, for example. Who among us can't fill a card box with cards like Switch?

Building an all Japanese card deck says "I have none of these in English." That's really impossible.

Japanese cards should be the alternative last resort for when you can't get the cards in English. English cards should NOT be the back up plan for when you cannot get the cards in Japanese.

Moderation is key.

And where do the rules say this?

You are just bringing your personal view into what should be an unbiased rulings question. No where does it say you may only play Japanese cards if you don't have the English version. It says you may play Japanese cards if you have a translation, period. Any other restriction is personal opinion and has no business in a judges ruling.
 
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do i really have to rip off( THIS MEANS BAD TRADE, NOT THEFT, POKEMOM PLEASE DON"T BAN ME AGAIN FOR NOTHING) more little kids. Seriously, thats what you'll see alot more when you have $50 to gain over $20.

Are you admitting you currently rip off little kids with bad trades now and are you justifying more of that behavior because you don't want to spend the money to support the game?

If that is the case then you should be banned from the game. You should help the younger kids by not allowing bad trades when you see them happening. Sprit of the Game includes trading fairly with those who do not know the value of what they have and correcting those who take advantage of novice players.


LOL... No the prizes wont get any better as a result...

and something to think on

an english uxie gose for 15-20 dollars

A Japannese Uxie goes for 4-6

since the japaneese uxie is now Banned what do you think will happen to that US Uxie

I think you missed the point. The point is not the secondary market cost of a card, It is that they lose $216 in sales for each foreign Uxie LV X in a deck Yes, cards on the secondary market will go up but the secondart market does not support the game. Original pack sales support the game.
 
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Are you admitting you currently rip off little kids with bad trades now and are you justifying more of that behavior because you don't want to spend the money to support the game?

If that is the case then you should be banned from the game. You should help the younger kids by not allowing bad trades when you see them happening. Sprit of the Game includes trading fairly with those who do not know the value of what they have and correcting those who take advantage of novice players.

Yes i am, and you're missing the point. My point is that with higher prices pokemon will become much more cut throat, weather or not you want it to or not. Its just the nature of things look at other card games with high prices, i know in yugtioh for example rips have become much more widespread recently when you can make a good 300 of a single bad trade.
 
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