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POP Policy Change Regarding Foreign-Language Cards

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Honestly Ditto is right. Sure, when there is a new player vs an expirianes player w/N cards, it might give the expirianced player an advantage, but could the judge not cimply make a special rule call on the situation and give the new player a time extension? Also, your points about JPN cads slowing down play is only relevant in this scanario because any expirianced player knows what the cards in the current format do, and wont require the player to get out translations each time a crd is played. I, personally have always played JPN cards and have never had a problem wit them.
 
Void if you actually flew to Japan.

You plan on showing me plane tickets for everyone that's posted in this thread?

You can't expect people to save ther plane ticets. If POP did they would hae to have told the players they would need them in order to play ther cards they bought in Japan. That woud just cause so many problems that it would never work. And because of that, the NOT FOR SALE OUTSIDE OF JAPAN arguement IS void.
 
You can't expect people to save ther plane ticets. If POP did they would hae to have told the players they would need them in order to play ther cards they bought in Japan. That woud just cause so many problems that it would never work. And because of that, the NOT FOR SALE OUTSIDE OF JAPAN arguement IS void.

First -- look up "hyperbole" in the dictionary.

Second -- sorry, showing the 1% case does not void the argument for the 99%. Thanks for playing.

The 99% are the people venting that they ordered boxes online which are now useless. They didn't go to Japan, they didn't buy them from a Pokemon Center, so they should have no expectations with regards to their continued usability outside of Japan. Obviously someone at Nintendo (either here or in Japan) wants to put an end to this. Looks like they've done a pretty good job.
 
Ok, I know your right on the 99% vs 1% thing, but proove it. Go on. I dare you. Give up? You can't. And thats the problem. PROOVE I didn't go to Japan and buy my cards, wthout spending rediculous money and going through redicuous trouble validating plane tickets if I want to. Therefire, you can't differentiate the 99% from the 1%. So, they are cheating what is realistically 1% of the people, but has as much evidence of being 100% as 1%.

Sry if that sentence is hard to read lol. I'm tired.
 
it might give the expirianced player an advantage, but could the judge not cimply make a special rule call on the situation and give the new player a time extension?
This is an excellent question from the player's POV.
Turn it around and think of it from the TO's POV. Rounds are 40 minutes long now. Between round time is probably 5 minutes max for small events, 15 minutes at larger events. Tournaments operate under time constraints. You can only extend time so many times before you start having a conflict with the closing time of the venue. Judges still keep track of time after time is called. Delaying the game becomes delaying the event.
Player history is a factor here too. If the player has a history of being good with his/her references and hasn't delayed the game or the event, I'll probably not have a problem with the player. However, if the player is repeatedly delaying games, the TO is probably going to have a problem with me making a special rule call.
 
Ok sure. I can't tell if you agree with me or not from your arguement though. I understand that you can't extend games too often, but it would not be required that often. On top of the fact that JPN cards are much more common in masters and are less lieky to be used against inexipiranced players, inexpirianced playes are usually out of the tournament after swiss. So, there wouldn't be that many games in which an inepirianced player would play against JPN cards.
 
Ever notice that little label on the Japanese boxes that says "NOT FOR SALE OUTSIDE OF JAPAN"? Well, here's a very creative way to enforce it. That label, by the way, is why I have no sympathy for the complainers here. You all played with fire and just got burned.

And before anyone comes back and says "why did they allow foreign cards", I'm pretty sure the rule was designed to allow for players and collectors who trade cards with people overseas, not to create a black market for product intended to stay on Japanese shelves.


I disagree with the way you explain the label "Not for Sale outside of Japan".
Normally that restriction is ONLY for the "first line" buyers (in this case distributors of the product in Japan). Those distributors (like all first line distributors) are bound to such restriction by contract.
The person/shop who buys those boxes from this first line distributor is NOT bound to that label. (this are in general retailers/shop owner including internet sellers).
Actually you are saying people who are selling Japanese boosters and live outside Japan are doing something Illegal. Now I don't think they are.

And about the Grey market (it's not a black market because there is tax paid on this product), who created the biggest stream grey market product? Wasn't it that same company in the USA? That company that refused to release cards outside the USA because in some parts of the world a stupid machine called "e-reader" wasn't released.

Oh , the players/collectors were not a big part of the sales. (at least that was told to us over and over again).

Well in that case this is NOT a PUI decission, because the effect of PLAYERS buying cards is not the "money maker".
 
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I disagree with the way you explain the label "Not for Sale outside of Japan".
Normally that restriction is ONLY for the "first line" buyers (in this case distributors of the product in Japan). Those distributors (like all first line distributors) are bound to such restriction by contract.
The person/shop who buys those boxes from this first line distributor is NOT bound to that label. (this are in general retailers/shop owner including internet sellers).

Then why label it at all? You obviously know how the sales chain works -- manufacturer to master distributor to reseller. If they know it's going to fall apart after the very first step, there isn't any point.

Actually you are saying people who are selling Japanese boosters and live outside Japan are doing something Illegal. Now I don't think they are.

I never said anything about it being illegal. Please don't put words in my mouth. I've had enough of people doing that.

What I did say is that they are doing something that Nintendo obviously does not want them to do -- namely, distribute the retail-packaged product outside Japan.
 
Well I don't saw any problem playing against japanese cards. Yesterday at BR I played against a rogue deck with Ninjask.

Cards like Claydol and Uxie, I never had to ask the translation.

But some cards like Ninjask or Haspyqueen, the guy simply gived me an english card as ref. It didn't change nothing to me.
 
Well I don't saw any problem playing against japanese cards. Yesterday at BR I played against a rogue deck with Ninjask.

Cards like Claydol and Uxie, I never had to ask the translation.

But some cards like Ninjask or Haspyqueen, the guy simply gived me an english card as ref. It didn't change nothing to me.

English isn't your first language? lol
But this is a good point. It caused no problems. I know this is only one case, and there are cases in which it would cause problems, but most cases will be like this.
 
Now something about "abuse" of foreign language cards and the idea people have they "disrupt" the pace of games.

If there is really abuse (which I don't believe) you are taking a big risk by using foreign language cards.
The question is: Who might have advantage? the user of foreign language cards or the opponent?

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Delaying the game because foreing language cards are used?
Don't make me laugh, what are you talking about?
I even dare to state:
In case it's causing delay it's not in Juniors but most likely in Masters.

Example
Little Kids in my country don't speak/learn/read English (starting with it at age 11 and school english is not enough for this game) But we only have English (foreign for us) cards to use.
We go to Germany (nearby) they have German cards but little kids are not able to read them untill they are about 8-9 years.

My kid can't read it's own cards but also not his opponent's cards and the other way around.
Did this ever caused significant delay? NO never ever.
For them those cards could even be Japanese ones.

And this applies to kids living in Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium and the list goes on......
Actually players from those countries ALWAYS have to play with cards they official CANNOT read.
LOL there isn't even a reference card available for them.

And now Japanese cards used on a tournament with a (for many people) local language (english) reference card should cause delays?
Don't make me laugh. Or should I feel sorry for all those people being so stupid they cannot do what many average European kid can.

Delays are not caused by using foreign language cards with reference cards ( I hate that card ex btw it's not as good as a real card)
Delays are caused because people don't know what certain cards do, it's doesn't matter in which language they are, you still should explain them. That's the only delay I have seen.
Which should not cause to much delay and is equal to translating a card for a player in one of the above mentioned countries.
I have done this for over 7 years and all judges in those countries have to do this because of not having local language cards. And we are even able to play best of 3 in 45 minutes, so what is the problem?
 
Yeah, the whole delay thing makes no sense to me.

When someone needs to know what a card does, they pick it up and read it.
If it is a Japanese card, they simply pick the translation up from a pile of cards that are out of play instead of directly from the Pokemon inplay.

If it's considering disruptive to reach over 6 inches from where the card normally is to get it's translation, then we have much bigger problems to worry about.



This of course is going off of the assumption that we are not using Cardexes.

Honestly I think that if they are worried about disruption, then they should outlaw Card-dex printouts and make it so that the only legal translation is a Home-Language version of the translated card.
 
Then why label it at all? You obviously know how the sales chain works -- manufacturer to master distributor to reseller. If they know it's going to fall apart after the very first step, there isn't any point.
Yes there is due to National laws and contracts between manufacturer and master distributor.
With the last years more Global "rules" due to heavy internet sales.

I never said anything about it being illegal. Please don't put words in my mouth. I've had enough of people doing thatWhat I did say is that they are doing something that Nintendo obviously does not want them to do -- namely, distribute the retail-packaged product outside Japan.

Let me quote your words
And before anyone comes back and says "why did they allow foreign cards", I'm pretty sure the rule was designed to allow for players and collectors who trade cards with people overseas, not to create a black market for product intended to stay on Japanese shelves.

A black market is a market of product you didn't pay taxes for, which is a true illegal action.
Most times containing stolen product, which is not the case with Japanese cards.
Doing something Nintendo might not want them to do is something very different than creating a black market.

However there is a difference in what Nintendo might not want to happen and to what they (legal) can prevent.
It's very difficult (almost impossible) to forbid people to use/own items outside a certain area.
At least it is for a company, a gouvernment can make a law for it, but they can't.

There is no law which can stop me from selling my USA made boosterbox to somebody in Japan. (I don't know the Japanese laws about this, so I assume).
But there is a law which prevents me selling my USA boosterbox to somebody in Russia.(at least a few years ago) That law is not put on me but on the citizens of Russia, their gouvernment made a law to forbid Pokemon cards (don't know if it's still valid). I can sell it but they are not allowed to OWN it, so no deal.
And to my knowledge the USA boxes say "for sale outside Japan" and Russia is outside of Japan.
There is no law which can stop me from asking somebody in the USA to buy me the new DS Pokemon game and send it to me and use it.
But enough of this.

All I know for Europe this rule give a big problem.
We actually can burn the cards we won 2 days ago in a German SPT, because we will not be allowed to use them here.
Perhaps there should also be a rule about boosterprizes given out on official tournaments should be the English ones, so you can at least use your prize.
 
I have hayfever, perhaps you don't . It doesn't matter to me that you are not affected by pollen. I am. Pollen is a problem for me. I can take drugs that help but they aren't completely satisfactory.

I have no problem with players who do not find JP cards disruptive. I'm happy for them. But if someone tells you that they do find JP cards disruptive don't try and tell them that isn't the case.

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The not for sale stuff is mostly down to Trade Mark law. Trade Mark law is a pain. A pain because the laws are so strong they allow anti-competative practices such as price fixing. However that is totally different issue.
 
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NoPoke was that adressed to me?

I tried to explain why I don't think they are disruptive, which is something different then without giving an example stating something.

I personally do find reverse cards terrible, because I have problems reading them and they reflect the (sun)light.
Other people have problems with reverse cards because they are color blind (don't know the expression) and cannot read at all the psychic cards.
For us they are heavy disruptive but are they banned?
 
No Lia not specifically at you.

I have no issue with anyone arguing about the scale of disruption that may be caused. But I do have an issue with bare statements that many are making that JP cards cause NO disruption.

The THERE IS NO disruption arguement is too weak to be worth making yet it keeps on being repeated. Equally weak is arguement that there should be no change because the disruption is small. It is weak because it ignores more likely reasons for the ban. The no or small disruption arguement is a distraction, at least in my interpretation. Still if enough players keep on arguing about distraction then maybe it was the justification ??? If it is such a big deal that we can't just accept it for what it looks like to me: a factor but unlikely to be the primary motivation.

I agree with you on the reverse foil cards, psychic types in particular. Not good for old eyes, or poorly lit rooms.
 
Oy....you need to look up "hyperbole" too.

Nope I am done with this.
It took me a lot of time to read it all and to write my view on it in a language which isn't even my own.

I am simply against this new policy, because I fail to find a good reason for it.
 
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