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Porygon 2 + Cyrus's Conspiracy = Broken

Austino

Austino

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I'm running a Palkia G deck that I've been testing for my brother. I've been using Claydol in it, but have been wondering whether Porygon 2 would be a better fit.

Being able to Cyrus's Conspiracy for three cards and then in turn being able to "Download" the supporter you searched for lets you use two supporters per turn, netting you that bebe's or roseanne's you need with the Cyrus. The only drawback is that you need more supporters in the deck for it to work effectively.

What do you guys think?

Uxie, Claydol, or Porygon 2 in a G deck?
 
Uxie, IMO, is the best,

But I've been thinking about Pory2... it looks really kewl. You can get like 2 Sprays, 2 Gains, 2 Poketurns, whatever is more fitting at the moment. You could use it to get a Poketurn and 2 Crobat Gs, thus basically +30 damage there, not to mention any other Crobat Gs or Poketurns in your hand. And it could get your Lv.Xs out faster.

It's not broken IMO, but it is pretty good. It's a Stage 1 with low HP and it doesn't go along with the theme of SP decks, which is AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. Uxie fits that role much better. However, if you have room for a 1-1 line, it could be good...

Will be experimenting more with this card in SP decks. ;)
 
Thing with Porygon2 is that you're limiting your resources to the maximum supporters in your deck. I think it has incredible potential early game while Claydol and Uxie only have average in comparison. However, late game when you've exhausted your resources, you're limited to only top decking. Porygon2 is pretty mediocre late game, while Claydol and Uxie really pull through drawing from a thinned out deck.

Look at the options you have with Porygon2. You Cyrus, grab your supporter and two other cards, and download said supporter. Unless it's a draw supporter, you have nothing to pull cards out of your deck with that turn and the next. Even then, you're limiting yourself to maybe 2 - 4 turns of draw.

I see what you mean though, honestly. There's really not that much you can't pull out of your deck with Cyrus. You have your entire trainer line nearly hand picked, Pokemon are easily searched with selected supporter via download, and if you need anything else you can maybe pull through on a draw. But when you burned every last trainer, your hand isn't going to move anywhere. Hands need to be refueled.

I've personally played Porygon2 with Uxie, and the engine itself takes up quite a bit of room and I can't see it working with anything beyond 10 Pokemon or a Porygon-Z oriented deck. If you manage to slim it down to still have consistent Pokemon in the build, I'd go for it, but it still is vulnerable to dead draws against power sprayed Uxies.

Really though, in the end, do you really NEED downloads? After all of your Pokemon are out, there's really no need for it. You'll maybe only grab a pixie, but it's nothing you can't do without download. Just grab Roseanne's a turn ahead.
 
Shen said:
Thing with Porygon2 is that you're limiting your resources to the maximum supporters in your deck. I think it has incredible potential early game while Claydol and Uxie only have average in comparison. However, late game when you've exhausted your resources, you're limited to only top decking. Porygon2 is pretty mediocre late game, while Claydol and Uxie really pull through drawing from a thinned out deck.
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Uxie has the same problem late game, unless you run the X. They're obviously a one time thing once you lay them down, and you remove them with Lost Cyclone so you'll never be able to use them again.
Don't get me wrong, I still think Uxie is the best choice because it fits more in with the all basics theme, but Porygon carries the advantage of relying more on supporters than on powers, which is better for the mirror.
 
Whicker said:
but Porygon carries the advantage of relying more on supporters than on powers, which is better for the mirror.
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Yet Download IS a Poke-Power, so you have to rely on more supporters and being able to use Download.
 
That's not what I meant. If you add more supporters to your deck because of Download, then you'll have more available to use (to play, not to Download) when you're power locked.
 
Porygon 2 is an unecessary card in a deck unless you are playing Porygon-Z!
There are plenty of ways to get everything you need without it.

I play 1 Uxie and a 2-2 Claydol in my deck
 
Soviet Engine 2 :0

I'd really like to do more extensive testing with the engine but no one wnats to help....if anyone wants to help testing it on RedShark, PM me.

I was wondering how logn til somebody said something about this. :]
 
Whicker said:
Uxie has the same problem late game, unless you run the X. They're obviously a one time thing once you lay them down, and you remove them with Lost Cyclone so you'll never be able to use them again.

Don't get me wrong, I still think Uxie is the best choice because it fits more in with the all basics theme, but Porygon carries the advantage of relying more on supporters than on powers, which is better for the mirror.

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If you add more supporters to your deck because of Download, then you'll have more available to use (to play, not to Download) when you're power locked.
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Lol, yeah I was including the X. But point is you can play it when you're drawing dead. It's there to get you from point A to B when you've exhausted all other resourses limited to just your hand. The two work together, you're not just limited to Uxie and you're not just limited to Porygon2 either. The two in the case of being Power Sprayed broaden your options as well. Not to say a sprayed Uxie doesn't hurt, but that's less likely to be the case if you Download first.

I'm not sure I get what you're saying about the mirror. You're saying play Porygon for the purpose of an advantage for the the mirror? You acknowledge Download won't be getting you through every situation (And I agree, Power Spray/Mesprit will definitely hit it), but you'll be playing more supporters for the sake of Porygon. Why not just play more supporters for the sake of the mirror? The room you invest in Porygon is much more readily invested in supporters for the mirror. (If you're not saying play Porygon over something else for the sake of a mirror, disregard this.)

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Anyways, I'd appreciate some sample engines :) Perhaps I was playing it wrong, but I played very heavy numbers on supporter lines which ended up restricting my Pokemon to lower numbers. Didn't like the results of my own build, so I'm curious to see others.
 
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Shen said:
(If you're not saying play Porygon over something else for the sake of a mirror, disregard this.)
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That's not what I was saying. I'm saying that more supporters = better mirror matchup. Therefore, if you play more supporters as a consequence of playing Porygon, then you're better off in the mirror than if you played Uxie. Porygon itself has no effect whatsoever on this argument.
 
The Supes said:
Soviet Engine 2 :0

I'd really like to do more extensive testing with the engine but no one wnats to help....if anyone wants to help testing it on RedShark, PM me.

I was wondering how logn til somebody said something about this. :]
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I've been way ahead of you, using it with not only Cyrus but also with Marley.
The results? Well, SP decks don't care much for it. However, given how 3 Cyrus + 3 Marley basically take over the role of Holon Transcievers in this kind of engine, you got something pretty beastly on your hands for the deck that will be able to keep going once its set up. I'm just working on finding exactly WHICH deck would be best using this.
If only we had Banette Ex in format...
 
Well, Toxitank does seem that way, but DP not as much. Simply because DP can afford a slower setup and all that.
 
porygon2+scott was better, and it still wasn't as good as claydol. claydol>this, it IS a good idea though, great for SP decks.
 
Porygon 2 really isnt worse than Claydol, but the supporter abuse helped GG too much, and it was the dominating deck.

The reason though that this works is that it nets you all your G cards much better, and will even allow for pokemon search come next set.
 
I'd use Porygon2.

Why? Because it is the only one out of the 3 that I have.

I think that based on how Supporter heavy G decks are (Roseanne and Cyrus just to name a few) Porygon2 seems like a no-brainer.
 
Bippa201 said:
I'd use Porygon2.

Why? Because it is the only one out of the 3 that I have.

I think that based on how Supporter heavy G decks are (Roseanne and Cyrus just to name a few) Porygon2 seems like a no-brainer.
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....If you don't have Porygon how will you play Porygon2?
 
If your brother has the skills necessary to run a slightly more complex engine, then by all means go for it. I was thinking along the same lines myself awhile back, i.e. "Hey, Porygon2 is actually pretty good," but Gardevoir SW posed a major barrier. Then I sort of forgot about it, but I think you're onto something here.
 
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