There's no reason for a reprint set this time. The English TCG might already be way behind/off as it is. We'll get Megalo Cannon in August and then either BW10 or XY1 in November, depending on what Japan does. If we get a BW10, the English XY TCG will already start off months behind the video game.
Possibility of a BW10 before XY's release?
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I feel like there is no way they would allow the X and Y sets to come out that far behind the game. It would be stupid from a marketing perspective. You want to get the cards out in time for the excitement from the game releases.
signofzeta
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In Japan, there are usually large gaps either before or after the release of a TCG set of a new generation. If Japan happens to release a BW10, for us, we might just pull off the whole switcheroo act, except their BW10 will be our XY2. Just slap an XY logo on it, rather than a Black and White logo on it.
I'm just hoping that there will be no BW10 in japan so we don't have to figure out how to fit all those cards into one set, or delay a set, or switch sets around.
I'm just hoping that there will be no BW10 in japan so we don't have to figure out how to fit all those cards into one set, or delay a set, or switch sets around.
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That would work if it weren't something like a generation shift. New generation means new direction and card design, for instance the format of the actual cards (ie. clause locations) tend to change. All generations (as well as HGSS and E series) with the sole exception of gen 3 to 4 have had major alterations to the card design aesthetically, and the same will probably happen in some regards with the XY sets. So merely altering the set order would put them more out of place than anything.
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And even if we DO get a BW10, there's no guarantee any of the Pokèmon that you listed that doesn't have a BW era card will be in the set.
tbh, when it came to the planning of "what Pokèmon will be in the sets", I think Spiral Force/Thunder Knuckle did a decent job because it had a pretty good amount of Pokèmon that didn't have a BW era card until then.
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Yeah, I've accepted that it's pretty much impossible that every (non-Kadabra) Pokemon will appear in the BW TCG at this point. They have like 180 Pokemon left to do, so even if BW10 does exist and it's a double set and they focus exclusively on old Pokemon that they haven't done, there's just too many.
It'd be nice if they focused on the 75 Pokemon who haven't appeared in the HGSS or BW sets, though. Although some of them are babies and one is Kadabra...
It'd be nice if they focused on the 75 Pokemon who haven't appeared in the HGSS or BW sets, though. Although some of them are babies and one is Kadabra...
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hunter994x
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Well, XY might be different. The XY era will probably be longer than the BW era so we might see most, if not all the non-Kadabra Pokèmon.
Also, even though Tailow was in the National Beginning Set, we still don't have a Swellow card. I find that very odd. It was the same case with Makuhita and Cinchou until BW8 which had Lanturn and Hariyama.
Also, even though Tailow was in the National Beginning Set, we still don't have a Swellow card. I find that very odd. It was the same case with Makuhita and Cinchou until BW8 which had Lanturn and Hariyama.
signofzeta
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Here is a huge question. We are the only ones that care that TCG sets release so close to the games themselves. Japan doesn't care about that, as they release theirs 2 months or 3 months later. We also never release sets before japanese sets, especially an entire month before the release of the japanese set.
So here is what I think will happen. Japan will probably make a BW10, while we will release in OCTOBER. Japan will release their XY1 in December, while we release ours in JANUARY. Then XY2 for us will be released in May.
So people here may whine, but we have the games, so therefore we should have the cards. Well not to worry. That's where XY sneak peak tins comes in, released in November. They come with 4 BW set boosters, and one 5 card sampler that includes I don't know, 15 to 20% of the cards from the XY1 set, that is, we get to see part of the XY1 set before japan does, or just release them as 25 promos or something, where XY1 to XY25 promos would be released BEFORE the XY1 set, and only included in the tins. That's a good way to do it.
To make room for the early BW10 release, our Megalo Cannon would be released late July.
TPCi really needs to follow this plan, if BW10 exists. If it doesn't, and Japan doesn't have XY1 ready yet, then we may have to do a filler set.
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I seriously doubt we'll be seeing a filler set this time. For English, they've always adjusted things to have the first set of a new series come out closer to the games, but only after the games had already been released. If there's no BW10, then that works out perfectly anyway because they can just move on to XY1 in November, one month after the games. It's actually the existence of BW10 (if it will exist) that will throw everything off pretty badly.
They moved up Neo 1 to have it out closer to the release of GS here which created a six month gap until Neo Discovery. Power Keepers and Call of Legends were thrown out so that the games would come out first, and then DP1/BW1 would follow immediately as their first new sets; they even pushed up BW1 so that it was out only a month after the games. The only real time they strayed was with RS due to the switch from WOTC to Nintendo, and even then Nintendo took the license back early just to get RS out faster, killing off several planned WOTC sets.
They moved up Neo 1 to have it out closer to the release of GS here which created a six month gap until Neo Discovery. Power Keepers and Call of Legends were thrown out so that the games would come out first, and then DP1/BW1 would follow immediately as their first new sets; they even pushed up BW1 so that it was out only a month after the games. The only real time they strayed was with RS due to the switch from WOTC to Nintendo, and even then Nintendo took the license back early just to get RS out faster, killing off several planned WOTC sets.
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signofzeta
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You forgot to note that none of our sets are released before the Japanese counterpart. How can there be a XY1 set, if XY1 set wasn't even released in Japan? If we don't get a BW10, we might get a filler set, until Japan releases their XY1 set. That's what I am getting at.
If anything, the Japanese XY1 set will be released in december. We will never release our XY1 set any day before the middle of December. We might release our set a week after, but if we have a BW10, we might have to move Megalo cannon a month early, and release BW10 in October, and then release XY2 in april. If not, they I guess it could work, but we might have to do a filler set afterwards, as I don't think there is going to be a Japanese XY2 within 5 to 7 months.
As I said before, we are not going to get the XY 1 set in november. It is highly impossible, because Japan didn't release theirs yet, and it isn't a filler set, like EX power keepers. So, I came up with the tin idea to allow people to buy part of the set, and get the full set in 2014. That's really the only way to do it.
Now a question to you, if Japan releases XY1 in January 2014, which is 3 months ahead of October, just like how BW set was released 3 months after BW game, and let's say BW10 doesn't exist, then what happens in the months of October, November, and December? Filler set maybe? The fact of the matter is, we will never get a set before Japan. It never happens. EX power keepers was a filler set so we can release 4 sets a year. Japan doesn't have a 4 sets per year rule. They got power keepers after, in a limited run, for tournament purposes only, just to be fair in the world championships, so other than that, we never get a set before japan. If Japan releases theirs in January, then it is 100% likely we are going to get a filler set if BW10 doesn't exist.
Come to think of it, I am 100% positive that BW10 will exist, which means we won't need a filler set. Here is what the releases going to be.
BW10 released in October 2013.
XY1 released in January 2014.
XY2, a filler set most likely, released in May 2014.
That's how it is going to be. If you don't believe me, then name one Japanese TCG set that introduced a brand new generation, released exactly less than a month and a half after the games? Also name one International TCG set released before the Japanese counterpart, where the Japanese counterpart has to be an actual set, not some set to make things fair for world championships? Basically saying, we are the only ones who care about releasing the set closer to the release of the games, but it doesn't mean anything if Japan doesn't have theirs yet.
If BW10 doesn't exist, how about XY filler set, similar to EX power keepers. Brand new TCG exclusive cards, if we are intent on releasing an entire set close to the game's release. The fact of the matter is, Japan doesn't do that.
Perhaps a mini set, packaged like Dragon's Vault, with a set of 25 TCG exclusive or preview XY cards, released along the final BW set, either BW10, or a filler. I'm sure nobody wants shiny collection right? If they do, they could just release them along with the XY mini set. You don't need an entire set released close to the games themselves. A few cards can suffice.
There are many ways to fit the TCG set releases, BW10 existing or not. The fact is, our XY1 will never be released before the Japanese counterpart, and they most likey won't release theirs in October or November.
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signofzeta
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That won't work, because our TCG and their TCG are vastly different. We don't even release the same stuff.
We release ours in sets, and each set comes in boosters, theme decks, 3 pack blisters, 1 pack blister with sampling packs.
Japan does theirs differently. They release boosters, and precon decks that aren't related to that set. They even release lone precons not tied to any release of a set. Besides, our "meta" is different from the Japanese one.
We can release the games simultaneously , because our game is just in english, while their game is in Japanese. Now, for TCG sets, have you even compared their product lineup to ours? If we were to have simultaneous TCG releases, we would have to release exactly what they release, except translated. So, no promos, no theme decks, no box sets, and all the products geared towards Japanese children living in America. That is why Yugioh has OCG and TCG as well. Things are backwards when an american made TCG is imported to Japan, but never the other way around. We have cardfight vanguard, but I don't think it will be as big as the likes of Yugioh or Magic.
Even with simultaneous set releases, we are still not going to get XY1 in October or November. December maybe, which is the most likely release date of the Japanese version, then we get ours in January or february, because by that time, they would already have released teaser blister or tins for XY1 cards.
You don't need an entire set to showcase XY in the TCG. I mean, take it from Kaijudo. They released battle decks and the dojo edition, which is essentially the "preview" set where Rise of the Duel Masters is the actual first set. To simplify things, we should just release XY1 in february 2014, and release teaser cards before that. Makes it much simpler, and they don't have to decide how to release sets, other than to release them in February, May, August, and November every year. With the release of Dragon Vault, based off the Japanese Dragon selection, shows that we can release mini sets, and we can release a TCG exclusive preview mini set, without disrupting the 4 main set releases. It would just be that this preview set won't be a main set.
There are many ways to sort this mess, but releasing our XY1 in October or November 2013 won't ever happen. December, maybe, and January, most likely. Maybe if we don't get BW10, we might release XY1 in december, but if we do get BW10, we release XY1 in January. Works out well. I guess this time, there is no need for filler sets.
So our set release without BW10 would be
August 2013
December 2013
February 2014
May 2014
With BW10, it would be
August 2013
November 2013
January 2014
May 2014
or
August 2013
October 2013
December 2013
April 2014
That is how it should be done, bolded being XY1's release.
If you think that December 2013 or January 2014 is too far away from the release date of the games, then you haven't been reading about what I said about how we never ever release sets before Japan does.
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hunter994x
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IIRC, Japan's last HG/SS set was released in July 2010 and BW1 was released the following December. Granted, things are different now with this simultaneous worldwide release of the games but even so, I agree that we won't see XY1 in October or November. December is likely so that means a BW10 coming in July is possible.
I could be wrong though.
I could be wrong though.
signofzeta
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So would anyone complain if our XY1 was released in January?
signofzeta
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Then how else would they do it? They have no choice.
TheRolesWePlay
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Just as a quick not of reference, we have received cards before Japan on a few occasions. Power Keepers being the most obvious example, but also Sandstorm (I don't recall the specifics but they either released really close together or we got them first) and Secret Wonders had cards that were released in Japan not even a month before (it might've been a matter of days if memory serves)
Plus Nintendo is making it a point to release XY simultaneously, so there may be some pressure to get the cards released in such a manner as well. We've been seeing some new trends so I wouldn't make any excessive guesses yet.
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I for one just want X/Y to get here
signofzeta
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Our EX sandstorm was released in September 2003, while theirs was released April 2003.
I said before, EX Power Keepers was a filler set for us. I also mentioned that the World Champions pack, released in limited quantity, is not really a main Japanese set, and only exists to make the World Championships more fair. Maybe this time this will be an exception, but we never ever get entire sets before Japan does. Maybe we will get a XY filler set, I don't know, but for sure, we aren't getting XY1 in October or November, or even the first half of December. This also really holds true for the first set of every generation. Japan always got theirs first.
Perhaps their XY1 will be our XY2. That could be a possibility, and our XY1 is a filler set, with exclusive cards like EX Power keepers, and then Japan has to make a World Champions pack 2, to make the 2014 World Championships more fair.
In the end, the preview partial set tin idea is the best. You buy a tin, and it contains one 5 card booster that contains cards from only 20% of the entire XY1 set that is released in January or February 2014. Tins would be released in November, then if BW10 exists, that can be released in October. Oh did I mention that these 5 card boosters would also come in those 3 pack blisters too, like an exclusive Dragon Vault like product? Now that would be awesome.
I said before, you don't need to have the entire set released so close to the games' release, especially if Japan didn't release their counterpart yet.
We have never released 100+ cards before Japan as a set. We did release around 10 to 30 cards before Japan though, but not 100+. That is why I came up with the preview tin and blister idea with a "First Edition" label on the card, or do some special holo treatment, to show they were released before the actual release date.
With EX Power keepers, a 108 card set, some of them were reprints from older sets. For sure 100+ cards weren't brand new. TPCi isn't here to create entire sets from scratch. They import cards from Japan. They may create a few cards, but surely not 100+ cards.
Now here is something that they might do. Japan might release their set closer to the XY games' release. If they do that, then for sure, BW10 most likely won't exist. Then our XY1 would be our November 2013 set. I highly doubt Japan would do that though.
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