Box of Fail
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Guessing A at this point but B is definitely the best option. Hopefully POP's record of listening to the players will shine through here.
Post-Regionals Scenarios: Rule changes? Rotation? Metagame shift?
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z-man
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You must remember, though, the players can still be wrong. Look at Lost World. About half of the community did not want it released. Now that it has been released, it isn't a top deck as everybody said it would be. It is our jobs as players to form logical conclusions as to why B is the better choice to ensure that nobody in POP has any doubt that that is what we all believe and agree on. We need to convince them why that is the best option. On Lost World, we were all mixed and very few people had good arguments for or against Lost World's release. It being in CoL was the better choice even though about 50% of the community disagreed.
C is just the wrong answer. Doing something new is never a good idea. Midseason rotation is new and would require fast adjustments for some of us. A also requires change, but it doesn't (directly) limit our card pool right before worlds. Moreover, BW cards were made custom tailored for BW rules, so A is logical. Even so, I prefer B as it does not require any change in thought before our big events. It allows the cards made primarily for the DP rules to rotate out happily and without issues adapting to a new format.
Box of Fail
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I don't think they can. How do you judge what is "right"? I would say that it's whatever the majority of the players want; the problem with Lost World wasn't that it broke the game, but that it corrupted it in some poeple's minds by adding a new win condition.
Decisions regarding the format should be made based on what the players want, not what would make the format healthier. One reason I don't want a midseason rotation is purely due to the investment players have made in previous sets. It has nothing to do with a healthy format; I believe a midseason rotation would vastly improve the health of the format but for the simple reason of collecting on an investment I am opposed to it.
What the players want should take precedence over format stability.
I hope its c but it wont be c, ill take a over b then, that would at least be fun, pokemon ftw weeks.
And @the guy above me
No hype, just uxedonk that always can do its stuff t1, that deck kills 4 pokemon turn 1 PERIOD. And with sableye you can go first more often and alwys win t1. Sounds fun
Only you actually have to start Sableye to go first. I don't see a deck running Unown Dark, Crobat G (multiple), uxie (multiple) and sableye being very consistent. If its Uxie donk, it will have 4 Uxie and crobats. If its Sabledonk, it will run 4 Sableye and crobats. Yeah, sure, Sabledonk will run Uxie, but I don't see it having the same draw power as uxie donk, meaning it won't get as much damage. Dangerous? yes. Any different than the current donks we have to worry about? Not really.
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Also, remember how hyped Vilegar was because it had 8 Pokes that could lock trainers T1? And, while it does happen often, there are still plenty of games it doesn't happen...and that's running 8, not 4.
lucario aura wielder
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if they dont do c i see alot of people quiting over the donkfest
Because substituting the darkness with cyclones, adding 4 sableye and 1 unown darkness and replacxing something with the way better research record will stop a deck that decks t199% of the time from still decking itself 90% of the time...
You dont even need PP that badly with sableye, just replace some cards, everything else will be the same
You dont even need PP that badly with sableye, just replace some cards, everything else will be the same
losjackal
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Looking at the big picture, Nationals is a few weeks later than last year. And the introduction of this next set is a few weeks earlier than last year. Why would they schedule things like that? Seems like something big could happen after Regionals, and TPC wants to give people enough time to react.
Chairman Kaga
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Marketing.
Black and White (the video game) came out at the beginning of March. They want the TCG set out as soon as possible after that to capitalize. This is why we're already seeing preview items on store shelves, even though the set proper is a month away.
Immediately after Regionals is the earliest they could release the TCG set without totally screwing the player base for States and Regionals. Imagine if they'd gone ahead and released the set with the video game, two weeks before States. The reaction from the players would have been legendary.
The whole reason for the odd timing is that the BW release is business as usual -- rules changes and all -- and putting it right after Regionals is designed to constrain the impact of that decision to just Nationals (well, Battle Roads, too, but who takes those seriously) while it gets the primary product on the shelves as early as possible.
bullados
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They released HGSS TCG before HGSS VG last year.
They released Platinum TCG WAAAY before Platinum VG.
DP was done very similarly to this, right down to the terrible filler PK set.
Just saying that it's been done before with the TCG leading the VG.
They released Platinum TCG WAAAY before Platinum VG.
DP was done very similarly to this, right down to the terrible filler PK set.
Just saying that it's been done before with the TCG leading the VG.
StormFront
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I assume BTS won't apply on T1?
IMO implement the rule change and ban Crobat G.
IMO implement the rule change and ban Crobat G.
Ring-of-Magma
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Yes but D/P and PTT didn't have such a huge change in game mechanics as BW does, so it's irrelevant that they were released before the VG's. Apart from Lv.x's and SP's, nothing really about the core game deviated from the standard. Nothing significant anyway.
BW's rule change will have a large effect on the metagame, hence why the release was delayed to almost 2 months after the game. They could have easily released the BW VG a month early, and released the BW set in March in time for States. I shudder to think of the player reaction if that happened. . .
Deathstroke
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I think it'll be C) to HGSS-on. I think they can tell the game is suffering thanks to the second half of DP and entirety of Platinum blocks. BW may be constructed in a way that permits waiting for the SepRotations, but the game is going to be hell for newbies.
sirlavitz22
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as i said the rule changes will be in affect and there is no mid season rotation thank you very much
vegitalian
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On the plus side, Pokemon Catcher and Max Restore are not in B/W, so Gyarados will not become the superpower everyone thought.
Personally, I would like to see a mid-season rotation with the new rules implemented (HGSS-on or RR-on). The ruling on Rare Candy seems moot with BTS out there, and the format has become REALLY uninteresting thanks to overpowered cards from LA-PT and a majority of underpowered cards from RR-on.
Personally, I would like to see a mid-season rotation with the new rules implemented (HGSS-on or RR-on). The ruling on Rare Candy seems moot with BTS out there, and the format has become REALLY uninteresting thanks to overpowered cards from LA-PT and a majority of underpowered cards from RR-on.
vanderbilt_grad
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I pretty much agree with your reasoning here. However what's really struck me is that I have yet to see ANY BW toys at major chains yet. That's a real marketing failure.
SLOW DECK
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Here is a reason people should hope for a Mid-Season Rotation:
1. New Rules aren't bad in themselves.
2. Trainers First Turn and - and Pre-HGHS cards Uxie-Sableye-Crobat-SP engine on first turn are all silly with the new rules. Correct this and the game is Healthy!
3. Regionals to Nationals Format / Rotation would be a great challenge to ELITE players and PRETENDERS. You take away SP and net deck from a segment of players, they will be floundering. They will struggle to learn a new deck with new deck strategies. They definitely will struggle to have a good deck and develope the skill to play it by Nationals. Where as the better players will adapt quickly and come up with a new metagame stategy.
Good players would welcome the challenge!
1. New Rules aren't bad in themselves.
2. Trainers First Turn and - and Pre-HGHS cards Uxie-Sableye-Crobat-SP engine on first turn are all silly with the new rules. Correct this and the game is Healthy!
3. Regionals to Nationals Format / Rotation would be a great challenge to ELITE players and PRETENDERS. You take away SP and net deck from a segment of players, they will be floundering. They will struggle to learn a new deck with new deck strategies. They definitely will struggle to have a good deck and develope the skill to play it by Nationals. Where as the better players will adapt quickly and come up with a new metagame stategy.
Good players would welcome the challenge!
People liked Indy ALOT. Contracts get signed a year or more in advance. Once the word was in that Indy was a hit (like St Louis was a flop), TPCi OP looked to resign w/ Indy. On;y problem being, a convention booked 7 years in advance was set for the same week we had Nats in last yr and they were in the same space we were! Imagine that.....booked 7 yrs in advance. Anyway, long story short, OP listened to the people and went back to Indy. They had to move a week or 2 to get the same Convention Center. Simple enough.
B/W was a marketing situation that OP had no control over. The video game was coming out when it was and OP had to deal with it.
2 separate situations that converge to make a nice conspiracy theory. That is all. OP will make a call on the rules, rotation etc based on what they can do and what they feel is best for all.
Keith
PS We may not all agree with whatever they (OP Brass) decide, but they DO care about us and the game!
As to the 1st post.....I think we end up w/ the new rules for Nats and no rotation until after worlds....same as it always has been. Not saying that is the best choice, just what I think will happen.
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