Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Pre-XVII Werewolf Metagame Analysis

PMysterious said:
I think homeofmew means there should be more stuff to do after you die.
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That too. I have been killed Day 1/2 as the Seer before and it really is horrible. Also I am also saying that I have tried to get into more recent games but they always fill with in the first day.
 
homeofmew said:
That too. I have been killed Day 1/2 as the Seer before and it really is horrible. Also I am also saying that I have tried to get into more recent games but they always fill with in the first day.
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That makes much more sense.


1) TDGI was a great way for those players involved to stay interested in the game (and helped me stay on track with this thread). However for that to be viable we required permission from AAM to make sure that there were no "psychic" roles or anything. (Speak with Dead effectively).

1b) If there are multiple games going at once then there is possibility for players to be able to do something besides wait for the next one.

2) Our playerbase has expanded. There is no question about that. The amount of players who want to and have played has never been higher, and will continue to increase with great games. This provides a conundrum.

How do we allow for the entire playerbase to play and have fun with WW? There are a few options.

  1. Have larger games
  2. Have more games

We've tried the former. This does not solve the problem IMO. While we've had some great fun with large games, there are almost infinitely more issues with large games.

Not the least of which is balance. In the OP I've outlined the balance issues we've had with large games, and I honestly don't think continuing the trend of each game being 30+ players is a good idea.
Another issue is the length of the game. As homeofmew said, it is disappointing if you miss the sign-ups (or die early) and the next game isn't for another 6 months (or 9 if its XV).
The last of the short list of problems is the level of difficulty in the Day phase. One thing that was good for me about the 6P Anon game was it was small enough to get good reads on the players I was playing with. The ability to get good reads drastically decreases when the number of players increases, for various reasons. Lurking being one, since in a large game its very easy to blend in and post once per day early on.

Smaller games emphasize and promote Day play better than larger games.


So, I feel that we are left with the second choice to deal with our growing playerbase.


Have more games.

The problems with this are multifaceted, however. Historically, only one game has been allowed in the Gym's RTC.


There was only one attempt to have more than one game running at once. but that was mired by controversy after the XIV sign-ups filled early, and permission was not asked of the mods/admins.


There is a possibility that more than one game could be conducted here on the Gym. I'm sure with proper planning this could be a viable option with success. However more planning and discussion should be done before this idea is pitched to the admins.


Another possibility is hosting games an a secondary, PokeGym Werewolf-specific forum. Now this can be done in a variety of ways.

1) We continue to run one game at a time here on the Gym, while hosting a second game on the other forum.
2) We drop Gym games entirely and only run games on the other forum
3) We continue to run one game here, and on the other forum run more than one game concurrently.


Either of these would be options we can consider, but I'm leaning now towards either the first or the third option. The Gym players are a great asset, and it would be a shame to completely drop Gym games entirely. At the same time I feel that we need to provide high-quality games that are balanced and fun, and to do that they must be shrunk slightly. Thus, we must have more than one game, (or at least have some staggered games) so that we can encourage our playerbase to grow.

If we do move to having some games onto a secondary forum, the purpose of said forum would be to host Pokegym WW games. If the purpose was anything but that, I would just recommend players to go to MafiaScum (which has hundreds of games going at once). My passion is Gym WW, and thus this secondary forum would become a place where players are directed to from the Pokegym, if that is the strategy we adopt.



I also have some thoughts about organization, and those will be forthcoming soon.
 
If that is the way things go, it is relatively simple to set up a forum on one's own, a separate entity from the Gym. This "secondary forum" could be then used exclusively for WW.

It is only a suggestion, but one that I feel might be the best method for assisting our playerbase.
 
Well, I'd only be allowed onto the PokeGym game, then, unless my parents decided to go look into the other sites. They prefer to only allow me onto sites that they approve of.
 
JewelQuest said:
Well, I'd only be allowed onto the PokeGym game, then, unless my parents decided to go look into the other sites. They prefer to only allow me onto sites that they approve of.
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I can't speak to that, but by "other sites" they simply mean a ProBoard or something to run a game on, nothing more.
 
King Piplup said:
I can't speak to that, but by "other sites" they simply mean a ProBoard or something to run a game on, nothing more.
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Eh, they like to have a moderated environment for me to be in. But I suppose that Gym moderators play this game from time to time..............
I'd have to talk to them about it, it depends on what they think of it. I suppose they might not mind it, since it is Werewolf....
 
Hey guys, I actually have a ZetaBoards one which allows us to play Werewolf games. If you want, I can give you guys the link.
 
JewelQuest said:
Eh, they like to have a moderated environment for me to be in. But I suppose that Gym moderators play this game from time to time..............
I'd have to talk to them about it, it depends on what they think of it. I suppose they might not mind it, since it is Werewolf....
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FWIW, if it's linked to on the Gym, it by default has to be PG-under, if that helps.
 
It's not hard to run concurrent games on the same site even if said site is not dedicated to Werewolf/Mafia. Two or three separate signups, cannot sign up on the second game if in the first game. Once you die, you can sign as a replacement in the second game. Vice versa.

If you need a mod, I'm fine with doing that. There's really no great method to doing this.
 
JewelQuest said:
Eh, they like to have a moderated environment for me to be in. But I suppose that Gym moderators play this game from time to time..............
I'd have to talk to them about it, it depends on what they think of it. I suppose they might not mind it, since it is Werewolf....
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Indeed. This was something that I considered as well. I know that if I were an admin on said forum it would be moderated to a similar standard as the PokeGym. And since this would be a forum dedicated to PokeGym Werewolf, as I outlined previously, I feel that most, if not all other mods on said site would feel the same way.

Thank you for letting us know, because that is definitely an issue that should be considered.

King Piplup said:
I can't speak to that, but by "other sites" they simply mean a ProBoard or something to run a game on, nothing more.
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Indeed.

Napoleon said:
It's not hard to run concurrent games on the same site even if said site is not dedicated to Werewolf/Mafia. Two or three separate signups, cannot sign up on the second game if in the first game. Once you die, you can sign as a replacement in the second game. Vice versa.

If you need a mod, I'm fine with doing that. There's really no great method to doing this.
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Agreed. It would only take a polite request to the Admins. And I feel that doing so would be very useful and hopefully successful. I feel that this step should be taken, and will put together a proposal shortly.
 
Worlds is over. Let's get this planning show on the road, why don't we. Who is hosting, where is it, how many players?
 
I believe Ikrit is hosting. I think that Sign-Ups will be up soon. I haven't heard anything in a while, however.
 
I'm just going to pop in and say I wish I knew enough about WW to make any heads or tails of what was going on in this topic (it's been pretty educational!), and I look forward to participating in the next one. ^ ^
 
Guys, Ikrit said after Worlds. Worlds just ended, and you have to give people time to travel home. It's probably going to be soon, so just wait.
 
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