Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Rare Candy Question...

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dkates is right, Rare Candy would give too much to modified. BBP's are still not commonly played w/out evos but we have seen an upturn with the old Chan, Buzz, Rocket's Chan, Rocket's Mewtwo & then all the basic ex in RS. It would make perfect sense to give modified another breeder. Nothing more.
 
Of course, since whatever ruling we use has to apply to all uses of the card, we're basically left with 3 options. First, allow it to break the first-turn evolution rule, which is fine for Unlimited but trouble for Modified. Second, follow option 1 but also ban it, independently of its set, from Modified, just like what happened with Sneasel and Slowking. Third, don't allow it to break Evolution rules, which makes the card much less useful to either format, since it basically is just Pokemon Breeder with two differences. One, you can go to the Stage 1. Two, you can ignore game effects (i.e. Kabutops, Aerodactyl) that would normally disallow evolution. I would lean toward option 2, if it were my decision -- which it obviously isn't and never will be.
 
Well when they take out LC for modified, this is the card that will replace pokemon breeder.
 
SUMMARY: its another LSSP :(

So lets see. What can we actually do with this card.....

1) I play a basic and try to use Rare Candy to play its stage one this turn.

2) I play a basic. Next turn I try to use rare candy to play the Stage 2.

3) I play a Baby. Next turn I try to use Rare Candy to evolve the baby into a basic.

4) I play a Baby. Next turn I try to use Rare Candy to evolve into a Stage 1.

5) I play a Baby. Next turn I try to use Rare Candy to evolve into a Stage 2.

6) I play a basic. Next turn I use Rare Candy to play the Stage 1.

Looks like its ..

1) NO
2) NO (stage 2's dont evolve from basics!)
3) NO
4) NO
5) NO
6) YES

anyone think of another example where the answer is YES?

Its very rare that you aren't allowed to evolve a card that you played last turn. Looks like its another Lt Surge's Secret Plan to me! Pity, a replacement for Breeder would be nice.
 
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Now if the answer to 2) is YES. Then we have a new definition of evolves from


Or rather I have a new definition of evolves from: up till now I hadn't considered Charizard to evolve from Charmander! If the answer is YES then Charizard does indeed evolve from Charmander. :confused: :eek:

Wonders if there is any way of abusing this new 'evolves from ' :D
 
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Choose 1 of your Basic Pokemon in play. If you have a Stage 1 or Stage 2 card that evolves from that Pokemon in your hand, put that card on the Basic Pokemon.
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Hello? It says choose a BASIC POKEMON. Choose the Stage 1 or Stage 2 card and put it on the BASIC Pokemon. Implication: you can evolve it like you would with a Pokemon breeder.

If this is not the case, the only other use for this card, as far as I can see, is to evolve on the first turn or the turn you place a Pokemon into play. If neither of these are the case, then this card would be rendered pointless - why would you have a card that lets you evolve a Pokemon if you have the card in your hand, when you can just do it without the Rare Candy card anyway?
 
Android17a

Rare Candy doesn't have the same kind of text that Pokemon Breeder used. Specifically Rare Candy includes the requirement that the chosen card must evolve from the basic.

check back for the earlier post from MTJimmer on page 2. Some of the prior discussion has been on if a stage2 evolves from a basic.

Note that sometimes a stage 1 pokemon is considered to be a 'basic' pokemon: eg aerodactyl. Also, a basic that evolved from a baby is not considered to be a basic pokemon any longer.

The point being that if the card does not break any of the normal evolution rules then it appears to be worthless. Well almost: there is a pokemon power that prevents evolutions rare candy would at least get around that ,I hope!
 
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True. If all it does is ignore game effects, it's too situational to use. If (and I don't know whether this is the case) this card uses "evolves from" at any point, then, like I said in the post about Wally's Training, you can technically only go up one level. This is because, technically, no Stage 2 "evolves from" a Basic -- rather, it evolves from a Stage 1 which, in turn, evolves from a Basic. That being the case, the intent would have to have been to break the one-turn evolution rule, but not to create a new Breeder.
 
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NoPoke said:
Android17a

Rare Candy doesn't have the same kind of text that Pokemon Breeder used. Specifically Rare Candy includes the requirement that the chosen card must evolve from the basic.

check back for the earlier post from MTJimmer on page 2. Some of the prior discussion has been on if a stage2 evolves from a basic.

Note that sometimes a stage 1 pokemon is considered to be a 'basic' pokemon: eg aerodactyl. Also, a basic that evolved from a baby is not considered to be a basic pokemon any longer.

The point being that if the card does not break any of the normal evolution rules then it appears to be worthless. Well almost: there is a pokemon power that prevents evolutions rare candy would at least get around that ,I hope!
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All Pokemon evolves from their basic counterparts. Rare candy states that it can be stage 1 or stage 2 that you can put it on the basic that it evolved from. If you want to look at it another way, Pokemon breeder is the card missing information, the stage 1 part. Also the new cards such as Aerodactyl and the other "fossil" cards don't count as Basic Pokemon, they are now only stage 1. Which means you can use Rare Candy on a Claw Fossil and get (On the next turn) Anorith or Armaldo. I really don't know how you can say that it doesn't work as a breeder, it actually says if you have a stage 2 that evolves from a Basic then you can put the stage 2 on the basic. Just look at it this way, its the new MF's Breeder, nothing else.
 
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Well we would have to get the rule on "evolves from" because to me, charizard does evolve from charmander. Same as we evolved from little organisms. It wasn't one big step, but in the long run, that is what happened.
 
You guys are analyzing this to death, and coming up with some incorrect assumptions. We do have a current ruling on this, which basically states that you can use Rare Candy just like we used to use Breeder. That means, no matter what you say about the meaning of "evolves from", you can play a Stage 2 on a Basic, as long as the Stage 2 in in the evolution line of that Basic Pokemon.

The ruling on using Rare Candy on "Babies", was based on the new 'Babies', which are not classified as Babies at all. They are now Basic Pokemon with a Poke-POWER that allows them to evolve into a Basic Pokemon. The logic behind the ruling centers around the fact that it is a Poke-POWER that enables the evolution to take place. That means that the new Babies are not in the normal evolution chain of the card they evolve into, hence the Rare Candy cannot be used.

There was also a ruling on use of Rare Candy to evolve first turn or the turn a Pokemon was played. The current ruling is NO. There are some good arguments presented here for overturning that ruling, but until that happens, the answer is NO.

We also need clarification on whether the Rare Candy works on older Babies, which do state what they evolve into, but since those Pokemon say they are Baby Pokemon, the line about "Choose 1 of your Basic Pokemon in play" might be problematic.

I just wanted to review what we know, so we don't forget the current rulings in light of all the discussion (really good discussion BTW).

BDS
 
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But note that all Baby Pokemon have the text on them to "treat this card as a Basic Pokemon" and so would meet the requirement of being "Basic"
 
BDS where is the ruling that says that Rare Candy works like breeder?

I've checked MTJimmers reply carefully and its not stated therein. If anything the emphasis is on that the card does not break normal rules of evolution. A normal rule is that you can't miss out a stage in the evolution process.

Pop: Though (WotC) babies count as basics while in play, so you could choose a baby for the purposes of Rare Candy. MTJimmers reply specifically stated that Rare candy DOES NOT work on babies. There aren't any basics that, while in your hand, know that they evolve from a baby. So the chain is broken and you CANT pokemon breeder stage 1's or stage 2's ontop of babies.

Looking at the scan of Pichu on Zeo it seems that Pichu is no longer a baby in the sense that we understood with Wotc. The card template is identical to a normal basic with the addition of a pokemon power to allow it to evolve. The baby rule flip may still exist but sandstorm Pichu doesn't have its protection. Pichu IS now a basic just like all the other basics.

No more Babies: Long live the Basics. *sob*
 
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NoPoke said:
BDS where is the ruling that says that Rare Candy works like breeder?
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Oops, my bad. There is no ruling, but the card itself says it pretty clearly:

Choose 1 of your Basic Pokemon in play. If you have a Stage 1 or Stage 2 card that evolves from that Pokemon in your hand, put that card on the Basic Pokemon.
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How can you not interpret that to mean that you can put a Stage 2 on the Basic? He was stressing that the card does not break the normal rules of evolution to refute the 1st turn argument I think. I guess it's time for TC to go to work again. ;)

BDS
 
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Big Daddy Snorlax said:
How can you not interpret that to mean that you can put a Stage 2 on the Basic?

BDS
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It's a fuzzy logic thing that, since the wording is "that evolves from that Pokemon", and a Stage 2 doesn't evolve from a Basic... (I understand that it means "like Breeder", but there are some very literal interpretations going on)
 
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How can you not interpret that to mean that you can put a Stage 2 on the Basic?
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Like I said before, technically, no Stage 2 "evolves from" a Basic. Pokemon Breeder didn't use "evolves from" in its text -- it checked for a "matching Stage 2." Slightly different concept. Still, that's getting pretty technical. One could easily also interpret it to mean a Stage 2 that matches a Basic.
 
BDS because the card states 'evolves from' and up until now Charizard evolves from charmeleon NOT charmander.

In earlier posts it was established that there are stage 1s that count as basics while in play. Now I DO hope that rare candy does work like breeder, even with the completely different text. It just kind of begs the quesiton as to why we wern't allowed to use all our old breeders if the card works the same way. I do hope that some of our old cards get reprinted so that they aren't all just left gathering dust in the new modified world.
 
Charizard is the Evolved form of Charmander. Not directly but it does. Go back to MTJimmer's Chain reasoning, Charmander-> Charmeleon -> Charizard and goes backward from Charizard -> Charmeleon-> Charmander. Which means that Charizard does "Evolve From" Charmander.

On Pokemon Breeder it says "Put that card on the Matching Basic Pokemon" therefore the Matching Pokemon must be the Pre-Evolved form of the card you are putting on it. Therefore the "Matching Pokemon" must be the Pokemon that "Evolves from" the Basic form.

Its really not that hard to misunderstand.
 
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