Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Ratticate OHKO?

Laser, yes, pluspower, no. Pluspower does 10 more damage, but raticate's attack places damage counters; two totally different things.
 
The attack clearly states "till there is 10HP left"

it doesnt matter how much power you build up.. it has to leave 10HP.
 
lol, thanks Winston!

Raticate's a cute deck that seriously has win potential if it sets up faster than everything else, the problem is that your basic gets donked by Landorus, and heck, even Raticate doesn't really stand his ground much (if at all). Mewtwo also donks, as does Tornadus. Now with Plasma Box, Thundurus and Kyurem donk you too.

Knowing that, your best bet is Raticate/Laser, but you probably need some big Ex's to back him up so you don't lose before you even draw a card.
 
There is a new 40HP Rattata that may help the deck. It doesn't get KOed on the bench by Darkrai.

For Raticate, Aspertia City Gym takes it out of OHKO range of Hammerhead or any other attack that hits for 60 damage. It would have to have been the target of a previous bench attack.

The way I was running Raticate was with Eelektrik to power up the Raticate faster. The result was mixed. Sometimes I wouldn't find enough Eelektrik in time. Because all of the basics are so weak, the evolving must happen so fast or else you lose. I feel like Ditto is needed just to keep the opponent guessing about what pokemon your about to evolve into so that they second-guess targetting it.

4 Lasers, 1 Dowsing Machine, and hope your opponent benches an EX for the 6th prize.

I don't expect it to win tournaments or even top cut, but you'll ruin someone's day. Could it work at a BR where the event may as well be single elimination?
 
I was playing Raticate for a while with Eelectric.
And it worked quite well

here's my list:


Pokemon
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4x Rattata
3x Ratticate
2x Tynamo (Spark)
2x Eelectric
2x Emolga
1x Mewtwo EX
1x Keldeo EX
1x Minun
==
17


Trainer
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4x Juniper
2x Colress
3x N
3x Skyla

1x Computer Search
4x Level Ball
1x Ultra Ball
3x Hypnotoxic Laser
3x Pokemon Catcher
2x Skyarrow bridge
2x Switch
2x Giant Cape
1x Energy Search
1x Super Rod
======
12--20
==
32


Energy
------
4x DCE
7x Lightning
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11


First turn Emolga is almost a must have. Thats why I'm playing Skyarrow and Switch.
Mewtwo is an alternative attacker to KO some non-EX-Pokemon like Sableye
Keldeo is for hitting landy with 100 out of nowhere.

Giant Cape to prevent your Rattatas from Hammerhead.

If your opponent doesn't run max poition, laser isn't that important because you have Tynamo and Minun to KO the damaged pokemon. You can also remove the Minun to add a 3. Tynamo.
The Super Rod count is too low. but ad least it's something.


It was a lot of fun playing this deck at turnaments.
But I never reached the top cut with it.
I defeated RayEels, Keldeo, sometimes Darkray and with a little bit of luck it also can defeat Landy.
A friend of mine went crazy because he couldn't defeat my Raticate list with his Keldeo deck ^^


Now with Plasma Freeze there are a few of new cards to help Raticate:
- Mr. Mime to protect your benched rattatas from getting hit.
- 40hp Rattata
- Plasma Badge / Colress Machine to power up Raticate without Eels (I haven't tried it yet)
- Shadow Traid to get back a laser

The big downside is you get donked by thundorus.
Emolga has a lightning weekness and it can easy hit for 40 in the first turn.

Anyway.. It is a cool deck and a lot of fun to play ^^
(my spelling might have mistakes. So just ask if you don't understand something)
 
De_Baum said:
A friend of mine went crazy because he couldn't defeat my Raticate list with his Keldeo deck ^^
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It is infuriating when big EX pokemon lose to puny pokemon. :rolleyes:

With Mr Mime, wouldn't 30 HP free-retreat Tynamo be better? It then enables you to play Aspertia City Gym instead of Skyarrow Bridge, making you less reliant on Giant Cape, enabling you to try Plasma Badge + Colress Machine. Aspertia City Gym also bumps up 40HP Rattata to 60 HP so it is no longer quivering on the bench while waiting to evolve.

I don't like playing with Spark Tynamo. Don't want to give that damaged pokemon another turn, especially when everything in this deck is within OHKO range of so many pokemon. I think this deck's potential is in taking out big beefy pokemon faster than your opponent expects you to, catching them unprepared. Giving them another turn let's them take another swipe at you.

IMO, you should use Dowsing Machine because Dowsing Machine can be found with Skyla and used on the same turn to get back a laser OR a Pokemon Catcher. Shadow Triad takes the supporter slot, so you lose your draw power for the turn unless you're running Bicycle, and it cannot get you an additional Pokemon Catcher. Dowsing Machine provides more outs.

What about Ditto to give you another chance to start an Emolga? Especially if you're not running free-retreat Tynamo, it is harder to get Emolga into the Active on T1. Late game, it then becomes a Raticate or Eelektrik.

With plasma Badge, would you drop Eelektrik completely? I didn't like Eelektrikvery much anyway. It was necessary to have multiple Raticate ready to go fast enough. In my personal experience, I would often miss getting sufficient Eelektrik in time.

I might have to try this again...
 
I like rescue scarf in Raticate (Otaku came up with/suggested the idea on Raticate's Card of the Day thread). It lets you stream them a bit easier so you always have a good attacker ready to go and aren't sitting about for too long with lots of Rattatta. I could see this deck doing well with DCE, Colress Machine, and Bouffalant with Aspertia. You'd still have a big fighting weakness, so maybe use Landorus EX so that you're not getting whalloped by other Landorus (and fighting type is safer against Thundurus EX).
 
pnoodle5 said:
I like rescue scarf in Raticate (Otaku came up with/suggested the idea on Raticate's Card of the Day thread). It lets you stream them a bit easier so you always have a good attacker ready to go and aren't sitting about for too long with lots of Rattatta. I could see this deck doing well with DCE, Colress Machine, and Bouffalant with Aspertia. You'd still have a big fighting weakness, so maybe use Landorus EX so that you're not getting whalloped by other Landorus (and fighting type is safer against Thundurus EX).
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If you really want to mess up Landorus while also maintaining your plasma theme, you could always run Kyurem. He can OHKO Landorus and can always Scramble Switch in or out.
 
Maybe it does need the Spark Tynamo in case it runs into item lock. I don't want to say replace Eelektrik with Amoongus because that would just be bad!
 
Swordfish1989 said:
lol, thanks Winston!

Raticate's a cute deck that seriously has win potential if it sets up faster than everything else, the problem is that your basic gets donked by Landorus, and heck, even Raticate doesn't really stand his ground much (if at all). Mewtwo also donks, as does Tornadus. Now with Plasma Box, Thundurus and Kyurem donk you too.

Knowing that, your best bet is Raticate/Laser, but you probably need some big Ex's to back him up so you don't lose before you even draw a card.
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I think the biggest problem is that Superfang requires :)colorless::colorless::colorless:); makes me miss Weezing from EX: Deoxys. For (C) it placed damage counters on the Defending Pokémon until it had 10 HP left, then did 70 points of damage to itself. It had 70 HP; however it was paired with Pokémon that would combo with this fact so in the end it was still worthwhile. :thumb:
 
I've been hyping this deck for a while. With the new Rattata my personal list has won over 100 games with only a handful of losses. Its definitely semi competitive in my opinion.
 
Just curious... what are some of the less common ideas (or twists) some commenting/reading this thread have used for Raticate? I seem to be an "idea man" myself; I come up with a lot of tricks to use for most cards, but having the chance to test those out to sort the "good" from the "bad", that doesn't happen very often. =/

Fortunately, there are message boards. :) So I can ask others about such things. With the pace of the game I still don't know if Raticate can really cut it as a deck's focus. Fortunately Hypnotoxic Laser and Energy acceleration is so common, that if a deck already has a good reason to run Ditto or Mr. Mime (or anything else that improves Raticate) that even a clutch 1-1 line might be a "secret weapon". Perhaps I am just dreaming, though.

I don't think I brought it up yet, but I was wondering about using Raticate with Chandelure [Plasma]; Raticate isn't expected to survive, ergo damaging it with Flare Navigation will seldom matter. Speaking of which, ignoring Raticate to shoot for a KO of Chandelure [Plasma] is probably a bad idea, as this leaves time to manually build a second Raticate and one fully powered one ready to go (decks with spread might not have to worry about that). The real problem is fitting two different Evolutions together, though with a Stage 1 and Stage 2 it is a lot easier than with two Stage 2.
 
I run a 1-1 line of confagrigus, but in testing it seems kind of pointless.

I also run a Mew/Accelgor/Goth/raticate deck. In testing it seems kind of fun, just not entirely competitive.
 
Otaku said:
I think the biggest problem is that Superfang requires :)colorless::colorless::colorless:); makes me miss Weezing from EX: Deoxys. For (C) it placed damage counters on the Defending Pokémon until it had 10 HP left, then did 70 points of damage to itself. It had 70 HP; however it was paired with Pokémon that would combo with this fact so in the end it was still worthwhile. :thumb:
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A fact that I used (with oyur help) to Win the LCQ in 2005 and make it into World's. If only we had something like those two...now.:thumb:
Otaku said:
I don't think I brought it up yet, but I was wondering about using Raticate with Chandelure [Plasma]; Raticate isn't expected to survive, ergo damaging it with Flare Navigation will seldom matter. Speaking of which, ignoring Raticate to shoot for a KO of Chandelure [Plasma] is probably a bad idea, as this leaves time to manually build a second Raticate and one fully powered one ready to go (decks with spread might not have to worry about that). The real problem is fitting two different Evolutions together, though with a Stage 1 and Stage 2 it is a lot easier than with two Stage 2.
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Being a former Acid Liability player, I have a few thoughts.

First, with the speed of the format before Plasma Freeze, and now After Plasma Freeze, Chandelure is not an option that can be played consistantly without using resources that could be better used in the Eelektrik version.

Second, As with Acid Libility we had the ability (the attack) of getting the active pokemon to be KO'd thus promoting the Stage 2 for the KO inbetween turns. Granted Lasers or Amoongus can achieve the KO too, it, to me, is not the same and the poison dies with the defending Pokemon, unlike A.L.'s ability to inflict damage at the end of their turn as well, on a new pokemon. A.L. had more options attack-wise than Eel-Rat, or Burning-Rat.

I miss A.L.! LONG LIVE ACID LIABILITY!
 
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While I miss it, if Hypnotoxic Laser had existed back in the day, it would have been the preferred Weezing partner... especially if Shadow Triad had existed so a deck could fake having six copies!
 
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