Regigigas Lock; It Ain't Dead Yet
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Awww. But it comes in a tin yo ^^'
You're not the only person though. I had to lend cards out to my buddy so he could play it...but then he played something else ._. And then a couple people I know elsewhere couldn't get ahold of drag of f gigas.
BTW, you took top 16 in NW regionals...what division are you, who are you and what did you play? ._.
luxchomp 90-10 in your favor??? lolfail
downer lock doesn't work that good against sp, with the (IMO needed) 4 call + 4 DCE they will have a energy to spare.
sacrifice can be sprayed, even with cyrus's initiative.
psychic bind can be sprayed, even with cyrus's initiative.
your opponent is getting free prizes, when you sacrifice.
toxicroak promo loves gigas ko pokes.
gigas doesn't even ko luxray gl lv X.
maybe you should reconsider your matchup? it's more like 60-40 in favor of the luxchomp player.
downer lock doesn't work that good against sp, with the (IMO needed) 4 call + 4 DCE they will have a energy to spare.
sacrifice can be sprayed, even with cyrus's initiative.
psychic bind can be sprayed, even with cyrus's initiative.
your opponent is getting free prizes, when you sacrifice.
toxicroak promo loves gigas ko pokes.
gigas doesn't even ko luxray gl lv X.
maybe you should reconsider your matchup? it's more like 60-40 in favor of the luxchomp player.
prodigal_fanboy
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Thank goodness Donphan and Jumpluff only have one attack!
No offense but your luxchomp matchup is way off. Power spray absolulty crushes you and your lack of speed makes you easy prey for luxchomp. By sacrificing, you are allowing luxchomp to get ahead(or at least stay even) with you in prizes which is very, very dangerous considering how easy it is to take prizes. Plus, lots of luxchomps have started to tech a donphan for the mirror. You might have a slightly favorable matchup, but 90-10 is saying you pretty much have an auto win which is so, so false.
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he pretty much got it
Other then that slight chink, this was a really well written and relativly inspiring article:thumb:
Back to back posts merged. The following information has been added:
he pretty much got it
Other then that slight chink, this was a really well written and relativly inspiring article:thumb:
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Kayle
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I don't think you're allowed to tell a guy with this level of playtesting and success his matchups are 'way off'.
If Power Spray ruined his entire deck, would he have top 32'd and top 16'd major tournaments with it? If Luxchomp isn't anywhere near 90-10, don't you think he would've lost to it in his top cut matches? I don't believe he did (Wasn't it Gyara at states? I have no idea about regionals).
I played Luxchomp against this guy. So have probably dozens of other people. It doesn't work.
If Power Spray ruined his entire deck, would he have top 32'd and top 16'd major tournaments with it? If Luxchomp isn't anywhere near 90-10, don't you think he would've lost to it in his top cut matches? I don't believe he did (Wasn't it Gyara at states? I have no idea about regionals).
I played Luxchomp against this guy. So have probably dozens of other people. It doesn't work.
Thank you Kayle...lol
Believe what you want, but I've played tons of Luxchomp over the last four months and my build, with me playing destroys luxcomp. As stated in the article my only loss to luxchomp this year was against Zane N and that was pre-initiative in the build history. Now, even if you hold your spray, my initiative takes them away barring nuked flips. That or I play smart with 2 gigas on the field all game. Downer lock doesn't kill luxchomp, per say but it slow you down, and when you can't galactic switch for energy acceleration due to power lock, you start to fall behind. Snipe my bench, it really doesn't matter. You can't bright look, and your garchomp is weak.
My matchup percentages stay where they are especially when the only reason I don't mention this as an auto win is accounting for bad hands and crappy starts,
Banette EX
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Palkia Lv.X is much needed in Gigas, like stated earlier it helps with the Donphan matchup and a gust of wind with sacrifce is too hard to pass up.
Steven_Slayer
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lol , i love this deck but i can't play it because there are so PLOX in my area lately ._.
let's play gyarados (?
On topic : I liked a LOT this list, it looks pretty solid so i would test it. Didn't know the promogigas even exist ._.
Good article !
let's play gyarados (?
On topic : I liked a LOT this list, it looks pretty solid so i would test it. Didn't know the promogigas even exist ._.
Good article !
Dennis Hawk
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Have you actually played the matchup? As in experienced Gigas player versus experienced Luxchomp player? Gigas is way faster now with DCE.
Gigas was practically not played by anyone due to the Power Spray SP carries. So why would someone take on Gigas, write an extensive article about it and say it can beat SP deck IF there wasn't an answer for Power Spray in the deck? When doing an important Sacrifice and I know there might be a Power Spray in their hand, I always tend to drop Giratina first. It forces Luxchomp to either spray (and have another in their hand, which is usually overconcentrating the resources which affects the other areas of SP's functionality in general) or pray. It's one of the crucial cards in this matchup, with Cyrus' Initiatives that stop the chaining and can as well stop Luxchomp for good.
Downer lock requires at least 2 energies per pokémon to even attack for reasonable damage. What's better, it requires 2 energies for Promocroak. This means, some Bronzong G action is needed if you want to surprise Promocroak. This is why there is a Mesprit locking going on. If not, well, it will propably get Drag Off'd when it has one energy on it.
Gigas just swarms powers. Sacrifice, SSU, Let loose, Uxies, Psychic Bind. Even with 4 Sprays they will run out pretty fast. When saving your Sprays on your hand, you might just get them discarded via Giga Blaster.
Gigas is a deck which is a do or die on whether your opponent runs out of steam or not. It's really up to the fact that you will have to get Gigas to sacrifice 4 times and still be in the game. In the end game, Gigas draws a prize per turn. Even if you are having Belted Luxray as active which won't get OHKO'd by Gigas without Crobat, it can be just Regice'd to the bench and something else to be KO'd instead.
Due to the fact that Luxchomp is the most played deck at the moment and due to Gigas builds have been mostly rogue until this article, I'd say at least 60-40 for Gigas is perfectly justified, and against most players who will be completely unaware with their netdecked Luxchomps, 90-10 may be just right on the bat. It's not realistic, of course, if both players know what they are doing.
Luxchomp's disruption (sniping, gusting) is also not too useful against Gigas. You will get practically the same result if you just hit Gigas for 80 and force it to Sacrifice than Gusting in something/sniping something and KOing it. The same Gigas will be there waiting for you after you're done, undamaged, as you decided to KO something else, basically leading to the same result. Most of Luxchomp's tool just aren't effective enough vs Gigas as they would be against majority of decks around, due to the fact that you can snipe/gust for first prizes, then get Powerlock'd in the endgame and be forced to just feed the rest of your SPs/Uxies/Azelfs to the Gigas.
Not to mention that Garchomps will be Drag Off'd. That's basically a given when you lay down a Chomp, unless you Unown G them, which means you will be paying 4 energies to snipe in Downer lock. Gross.
I've been extensively testing this matchup due to the fact that Luxchomp is the most played deck around. And it's entirely manageable matchup for Gigas. Gigas just gets it's problems elsewhere, from the areas where Luxchomp may shine in.
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Not sure how Regigigas lock is a 'secret' deck for Nats, but anyway . . .
Nice list, good read, and prettyful presentation. Everything is explained well, so even if I disagree with stuff, I can see where you are coming from.
Anything in the new set that would improve (or threaten) this deck?
Nice list, good read, and prettyful presentation. Everything is explained well, so even if I disagree with stuff, I can see where you are coming from.
Anything in the new set that would improve (or threaten) this deck?
Improve? Judge Maybe, though it breaks your Bind, Let Loose, Initiative Blast combo, but I still like it for other decks too. Good rod would be pretty cool to throw in, both to get SSU/Rescues as well as mesprits from the discard. The NEW SSU because it looks hella tight lol.
Hurt? Raikou Entei was first to mind for what could potentially wreck you, but it's unevolved and thus gets hurt by downer lock. Without Legend box, they're forced to either play with acceleration of some sort, or waste on hand attaching, by which time you could pry knock them out. Thank god we're not seeing Vileplume this set. You DO have Dialga, but I DO NOT wanna deal with a t2 vileplume running amok. Honestly though, if I can play around Tombs, I can pry play around Plumes too lol. The primeape makes me lol. OMG sooooooo broken, and since it's fighting you best be watching your back. Lastly I see T-Tar causing slight annoyance simply because it's spread which can be really bad for you if you're not careful.
In all honestly I didnt really bother thinking about cards in Unleashed for Gigas because I won't be playing it in this new era tourney wise lol. However I hope this list helps/ opens your mind to possibilities.
Woah i'm not doubting Cetra's skill and knowledge with this deck. I'm sure he could beat my luxchomp. But 90-10 is a bit excesive, no offense.
Oh an btw, why 3 DCE? are you planning to attack without the lv. X?
Box of Fail
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Legends aren't evolved, but they aren't basic, either. Azelf specifically requires the attacking Pokémon to be basic.
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Yup. Downer Lock doesnt work on Legends. I was also working on a Gigas list... might think twice now. lol
Mac_736_the_Gh0st
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cool list, but ur matchups looks pretty funny ..
nearly autowin vs lady gaga ? lol ? if he will sray gigas power, ur too slow = gg, if he dont he still have promocroak = gg
etc etc etc
nearly autowin vs lady gaga ? lol ? if he will sray gigas power, ur too slow = gg, if he dont he still have promocroak = gg
etc etc etc
Kayle
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I think he had rescues in the original list. In fact, I thought they were on THIS list...
He gets rid of Spray with Initiative, he can survive one Spray pretty easy, he can recover from Gigas being KO'd pretty easy, and with the constant powerlock, they have trouble DRAWING Spray. If you're going to burn your entire Cyrus loop on Power Spray you lost the game anyway.
Nearly autowin vs. LG, yes.
haha that's one that I would love to see. Post the results here