Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Regigigas Lock; It Ain't Dead Yet

I know the power of Regi-Mes. I won 4 cities 2 years ago with a combo of 2-2 Regigigas, RegIce, 4 Mesprites,4 Uxie. No tech, just Lock and Attack. Everything folded when you start early and often with the Mesprite lock. I made the list supper consistent with heavy trainer engine to get the lock going FAST, and Regi up fast. Regice was the tech.

My build destroyed everything up to the SP. I was at first going to say, toss out the 3 pokemon rescue and add in 4 Mesprite and 1 NM, but I can see Azelf helps soo much for the SP matchup. If you tossed the poke rescue, you wouldn't be able to spoil a Azelf Snipe. Mesprite lock for the non-sp power players, Azelf lock for the SP match ups.

I would agree with match ups, you have to play good players too get good match up reports.
 
do i have to prove it, nowhere near an autoloss. do you play redshark? we should meet sometimes

I don't have the experience with Gigas to be a proper testing opponent.

Cetra would be the one to talk to but I don't know if he really cares about your opinions enough to play you. He told you what he knows and he's played the deck more than you have. By now just hearing people bash matchups they know very little about is just annoying.
 
Awww. But it comes in a tin yo ^^'

You're not the only person though. I had to lend cards out to my buddy so he could play it...but then he played something else ._. And then a couple people I know elsewhere couldn't get ahold of drag of f gigas.

BTW, you took top 16 in NW regionals...what division are you, who are you and what did you play? ._.

My name is Simon and i play in the seniors. I played gyarados and lost to the mirror.
 
Cetra - Very very nice article. I personally have playtested 'Gigas (thanks to our convo months back :thumb:) and understand just how devistating an active/belted/fully powered 'Gigas Lv.X T2/3 can be. Great job on the report, glad to see it unveiled :)
 
I don't have the experience with Gigas to be a proper testing opponent.

Cetra would be the one to talk to but I don't know if he really cares about your opinions enough to play you. He told you what he knows and he's played the deck more than you have. By now just hearing people bash matchups they know very little about is just annoying.

oowh, sorry. it wasn't meant for you, it was for cetra. ;)
 
Cetra - Very very nice article. I personally have playtested 'Gigas (thanks to our convo months back :thumb:) and understand just how devistating an active/belted/fully powered 'Gigas Lv.X T2/3 can be. Great job on the report, glad to see it unveiled :)

Sweet I got the general on ma side lol XD

But jeez I work a closing shift and come back to all this? ._.

Where to begin...

@Laugh: I question if you read the article. I DO run 3 rescue and a TSD. I used to run 4 rescue, but opted to try a different bind strategy for regionals. I'll probably be going back to the 4 rescue because though TSD is nice, I like rescue personally.

@Mac: If you've even played against this deck I would question the players build. Gigas is by no means slow. Even when you power spray me, I have the DCEs to start attacking my second turn no matter what. Which leads me to explain why DCE from someones question earlier:

DCE is in for a few reasons. Yes, you can't use it with the Lvl X's attacks as a means of energy excel, but that's not my purpose. DCE is a recovery mechanism and a Plan B energy attachment. If I get knocked out, DCE gets my new gigas up and running fast. If I get my first sac sprayed, I dce to start attacking ASAP. It also works great as a means of paying for my heavier retreat costs when I can't sacrifice them out of my way or don't WANT to sac them out of the way,

@ Kayle, as always thanks for the support. You've witnessed the deck firsthand, and you've seen me play qute a few matches this year to boot. You say you don't have the skill, and though you don't have the time I do with the deck, I'm confident you understand it enough to play it by now.

@ Meeesie: I disagree with everything you've said on here. A 60/40 on favor of luxchomp? You're daft. If that were the case, I wouldn't have come anywhere CLOSE to placing how I did this year. I built this deck and tailored it to play against luxchomp. Everything about this deck screams a counter to you. People keep saying things like Power Spray and Promo Croak. I'll tell you flat out that I'm more afraid of a pwer spray than a promocroak.
About Power Spray, I have a couple options for getting rid of them when I actually NEED to sacrifice. The first is Let Loose. I get rid of your hand and force you to draw 4 new cards. Sure you can draw into another spray, but at least I'm forcing that to chance. Sure you can power spray my Letloose, but to be frank, have fun with it because unless you have another it's pretty pointless. If you do, congratulations because you just wasted 2 sprays in one turn.
As for promo croak. I used to be pretty sketchy about this before I thought it out enough. Prmoocroak can't suprise attack me. With downer lock and I psychic bind going, you have to hand attach 2 energy and use an e. gain to even get an attack off. If I'm playing with drag off, like should be done in this match up, I'll pull you up long before you're charged, then I'll wail into you something fierce. Even if you were to get one off, I cure poison with LA gigas (which is my preferred gigas), I have warps. I can retreat manually. To get rid of damage, I heal off 80 with sacrifice. I'll flat out tell you that this is teh only part of the game where you would have me backed at a corner, but unless you know what you're doing you won't suceed and I'd have to give you props for getting that far anyways.

Should you prove YOUR matchup is true? I'd gladly take you on if I didn't think redshark was a complete waste of my time, but for one match I'd contemplate downloading it and giving myself a crash course in how it works to do it.

On a side not I'm going to explain why my match up reads 90-10. How many people net deck luxchomp? A lot. That said, how many players actually know what they're doing with it? I only know a few personally and even they have a hard time with me. I've only lost to 1 Luxchomp deck in tournament this year and it was played by a machine (lol). If you had that good of a record inside and outside of the tournament structure wouldn't YOU have a crazy percentage like that? Add in my skill with the deck and my matchup makes complete sense for me at least. I'm not saying the deck won't lose to luxchomp and I'm far from saying a good player couldn't take me down, but what I am saying is that it takes a really good player to be able to compete against this deck. That or hope I get a horrible start.
 
@ Meesie: I disagree with everything you've said on here. A 60/40 on favor of luxchomp! You're daft.

Thanks

If that were the case, I wouldn't have come anywhere CLOSE to placing how I did this year.

umm, you only played 3 in a tournament setting

I built this deck and tailored it to play against luxchomp. Everything about this deck screams a counter to you. People keep saying things like Power Spray and Promo Croak.

i'm pretty sure those will work against you

I'll tell you flat out that I'm more afraid of a power spray than a promocroak

you should be afraid of both.

About Power Spray, I have a couple options for getting rid of them when I actually NEED to sacrifice. The first is Let Loose.

which you play.... 1 time?

I get rid of your hand and force you to draw 4 new cards. Sure you can draw into another spray, but at least I'm forcing that to chance. Sure you can power spray my Letloose, but to be frank, have fun with it because unless you have another it's pretty pointless. If you do, congratulations because you just wasted 2 sprays in one turn.

cool story, using 2 sprays to cripple your opponent isn't so bad if you play 4

As for promo croak. I used to be pretty sketchy about this before I thought it out enough. Promocroak can't suprise attack me.

drop promocroack-galactic switch-attach energy-attach energy gain-poison revenge

With downer lock and I psychic bind going, you have to hand attach 2 energy and use an e. gain to even get an attack off. If I'm playing with drag off, like should be done in this match up, I'll pull you up long before you're charged, then I'll wail into you something fierce. Even if you were to get one off, I cure poison with LA gigas (which is my preferred gigas)

lol at contradiction

I have warps. I can retreat manually. To get rid of damage, I heal off 80 with sacrifice.

i actually planed on OHKO'ing you

I'll flat out tell you that this is the only part of the game where you would have me backed at a corner, but unless you know what you're doing you won't succeedand I'd have to give you props for getting that far anyways.

Should you prove YOUR matchup is true? I'd gladly take you on if I didn't think redshark was a complete waste of my time, but for one match I'd contemplate downloading it and giving myself a crash course in how it works to do it.

lolfail

On a side not I'm going to explain why my match up reads 90-10. How many people net deck luxchomp? A lot. That said, how many players actually know what they're doing with it? I only know a few personally and even they have a hard time with me. I've only lost to 1 Luxchomp deck in tournament this year and it was played by a machine (lol). If you had that good of a record inside and outside of the tournament structure wouldn't YOU have a crazy percentage like that? Add in my skill with the deck and my matchup makes complete sense for me at least. I'm not saying the deck won't lose to luxchomp and I'm far from saying a good player couldn't take me down, but what I am saying is that it takes a really good player to be able to compete against this deck. That or hope I get a horrible start.

so you played 3 luxchomp in tournament, the skilled one you lose, and the 2 netdeckers you win, [SARCASM]good job[/SARCASM]

replies in red, daft.
 
replies in red, daft.

If you'd like to test your theory, I have redshark up and running now. Throw me out a server and what not and we'll go 2/3. I',m a little new to the interface but if you're willing to bear with it I'll accept your challenge.

Btw...i find the addition of the '!' mark after the daft comment funny ^^' - trying to lighten the mood. Not trying to come off assish...

But in all seriousness. I just wanna prove that I somewhat know what I'm doing in this matchup.
 
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I really like the deck alot. But I think you should play Looker's
just because you can see if they have a Spray coming or not. Could
be very helpful. Also with all the Jumpluff and Gyarados around don't
you think a couple of Stadiums like GHQ would be a good play that
way you can one hit them with GTP assuming it's belted? Also if you
decide to run Palkia then i'd maybe take out Dialga just cause Palkia
can bring up Mewtwo and other things. If that's the case then take out
the Warp Point and add Switch. Just my opinion though. Nice List.
 
I really like the deck alot. But I think you should play Looker's
just because you can see if they have a Spray coming or not. Could
be very helpful. Also with all the Jumpluff and Gyarados around don't
you think a couple of Stadiums like GHQ would be a good play that
way you can one hit them with GTP assuming it's belted? Also if you
decide to run Palkia then i'd maybe take out Dialga just cause Palkia
can bring up Mewtwo and other things. If that's the case then take out
the Warp Point and add Switch. Just my opinion though. Nice List.

Looker's was a card I liked in concept, but I don't like giving my opponent 5 new cards. I'm pry going to be switching to Judge when it comes out for league play and such.

As for Pluff and G-dos. G-dos is really annoying but I wouldn't want to risk ruining consistency for stadium addition. I DO like the GHQ idea though, very tempting.

The thing about Palkia is that last time I tried it it just slowed me down in the end. It's a good card, and with Sac it's pretty sweet, but still...

love the feedback though and glad to hear you enjoyed the article as was intended
 
I have a friend that has been playing a very similar Gigas list for a long time now, and I will say that it is a difficult match up.

However, Lucario GL is a great unexpected attacker against a fully charged gigas. It can swing 140 for 2 energy + E-gain (or Metal +DCE). That plus crobat is a nice way to get rid of gigas an unbelted/no snowpoint gigas. When either of those two hit the field the OHKO become a lot more difficult.
 
On a side not I'm going to explain why my match up reads 90-10. How many people net deck luxchomp? A lot. That said, how many players actually know what they're doing with it? I only know a few personally and even they have a hard time with me. I've only lost to 1 Luxchomp deck in tournament this year and it was played by a machine (lol). If you had that good of a record inside and outside of the tournament structure wouldn't YOU have a crazy percentage like that? Add in my skill with the deck and my matchup makes complete sense for me at least. I'm not saying the deck won't lose to luxchomp and I'm far from saying a good player couldn't take me down, but what I am saying is that it takes a really good player to be able to compete against this deck. That or hope I get a horrible start.

So you're saying the match-up is 90-10 because most Luxchomps are bad because they are netdecked? By that logic, every deck should have a great luxchomp match-up. You're assuming that, and i quote "Add in my skill with the deck and my match-up makes complete sense for me at least", and you can see how it's biased. With match-ups, it should be how the deck goes, with a good player playing against another good player, not a good player vs. bad player.

i don't trust your testing. I haven't heard of you beating a recognisable Luxchomp player with it yet, I have only heard of you losing to one.

Maybe Gigas has the advantage, maybe it doesn't. But 90-10? Give me a break!
 
So you're saying the match-up is 90-10 because most Luxchomps are bad because they are netdecked? By that logic, every deck should have a great luxchomp match-up. You're assuming that, and i quote "Add in my skill with the deck and my match-up makes complete sense for me at least", and you can see how it's biased. With match-ups, it should be how the deck goes, with a good player playing against another good player, not a good player vs. bad player.

i don't trust your testing. I haven't heard of you beating a recognisable Luxchomp player with it yet, I have only heard of you losing to one.

Maybe Gigas has the advantage, maybe it doesn't. But 90-10? Give me a break!

I trust playing in actual tournaments. Much more reliable than beating pros on redshark IMO.
 
Its a cool article, and is definately a deck that is fun to play as well as competitive.

At first glance the matchups against the Tier 1 decks do seem in your favour for a deck that isn't played much, but I don't really want to comment since I've never played against it. What I do like, is you downloading Redshark and put your faith in the matchup you wrote. Theorymon is so unreliable and people will usually not change their view, actual results will prove it.

Definately looking forward to hearing the results.
 
I trust playing in actual tournaments. Much more reliable than beating pros on redshark IMO.

I'm the same way. I like having something physically infront of me instead of virtually going at it.
At the above, I've played the deck so much that I'm pretty confident. If we ever redshark it ill make sure to post the results. Sucks that the casual feel of the match is already shot...
 
Look, i'm not even saying that Regigigas loses to luxchomp or whatever, because i don't know, but from what I am reading, it sounds like you're biased towards gigas in your math-ups for the reasons i stated earlier. a match-up is supposed to be how likely a deck would win if two equally skilled players played each other with the deck (preferably good players). saying the match-up is better because "I know the deck better than most of the people i play against in my tournaments" is totally wrong. i'm not saying your deck is bad.

@Box of Fail: When did i mention that?
 
Look, i'm not even saying that Regigigas loses to luxchomp or whatever, because i don't know, but from what I am reading, it sounds like you're biased towards gigas in your math-ups for the reasons i stated earlier. a match-up is supposed to be how likely a deck would win if two equally skilled players played each other with the deck (preferably good players). saying the match-up is better because "I know the deck better than most of the people i play against in my tournaments" is totally wrong.

Where did I mention the differenmt between tournament play and redshark/apprentice? It doesn't matter whether the results come from real life or redshark/apprentice, where did you get that idea from?

I'm willing to say my matchup is steeped. I didn't mean to come off as biased, and I didn't mean to diss on Luxchomp. I explained my reasoning for marking it as I did and still back that even though it may not be so steep a victory, Gigas is in the advantage.
I'm a little tired of all the Luxchomp VS. Gigas talk personally. I wrote the article as a swan song for my tourney deck this year to share what got me so far in the tourney season and I definitely wasn't expecting THIS bad or a w.e. you want to call it.
 
OK, that's fair enough. you just might confuse a lot of people with the idea that it's a "match-up" really. honestly, i don't have any problem with you or deck i'm just nitpicking, per se.
 
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