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Sableye a Donker?!!!!!!! Huh?

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Sableye donks how? I ask this because unless I've read the card wrong he can do a maximum a 40 damage before you introduce modifiers like buck's training and pluspower. But even with them Sableye is still a bad donker if he can be considered one. So I ask How is Sableye a Donker?
 
The ability to kill some pokemon all the time but most pokemon none of the time does not make sabeley a donker, It makes him versatile to being more than just a stater for setting up. A donking pokemon is someone like kingdra or groudon. who kill most pokemon all the time and some pokemon none of the time. So I ask again what makes people claim in posts that he is a donker?
 
With a special dark energy it donks baltoy and horsea, those are the popularly used ones I can think
of, I'm sure there are more though. The cool part is you can choose to go first if you choose, and get
it in your opening hand. If you have the special dark, then more power to you, of course with the
first attack, why not use it.

-Jason
:)dark::colorless20)
 
I think he means you can put it down as your active in your starting hand, if you want to go first. If you want to go second, just make another Pokemon your active.
 
if you run 4 special dark then there is a 35% chance you have one in your starting hand to go with sableye. of course it is luck based to get a t1 donk with sableye but as i always say, 'luck counts too'.
there are only two kinds of strategies, those that might work and those that can never work. sableye is definitely in the former.
 
i give you the fact that if one opens a starting hand with both sableye and a special darkness energy you could knock out any pokemon with 50 hp or below. but the chances of this happening are only 12.25% of having both in your hand and that is only when both are run at a quantity of 4 per a deck for each. but i can't see other than the occasional time this happens that this makes him a donking pokemon. moreover i started this thread because i saw a silly deck that ran only sableye and uxie as the only pokemon and couldn't even fathom how the deck could win.
 
"what the heaven"
if you think gettin a sableye wit a special dark is hard... try getting a horsea rare candy and kingdra in your opening hand.... we all see how hard it is for kingdra to donk someone...so sableye doing it is impossible... i mean all those people thought the could turn 1 donk with kingdra were got a rude awakening...
 
I can see it donking, and donking well too. I personaly wouldn't call it a 'donker' because no, it isn't that consistant. HOWEVER the possibility is viable enough to say it is a use for the card, since one energy for 40/50 is a great way to start a match with an edge. Even if it's not a KO, it's still a sudden and (IMO) substantial drop in starting health.
 
Muk Man said:
"what the heaven"
if you think gettin a sableye wit a special dark is hard... try getting a horsea rare candy and kingdra in your opening hand.... we all see how hard it is for kingdra to donk someone...so sableye doing it is impossible... i mean all those people thought the could turn 1 donk with kingdra were got a rude awakening...
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You do realize that the deck is BASED around milling to get out the rc kingdra?
And the fact that you can only do this going second.
With sableye, you cant play any trainers because of the fact that you MUST go first.
 
decks with starters have pretty much phased out sableye is good but it doesn't donk much, ok you go first and let horsea t1 kingdra, kingdra is such a bad example of a deck sableye works against

sableye t1's as many cards as gengar does which is that 1 pikachu with the power that noone plays
 
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You were 15.7% out

revdjweb said:
if you run 4 special dark then there is a 35% chance you have one in your starting hand to go with sableye. of course it is luck based to get a t1 donk with sableye but as i always say, 'luck counts too'.
there are only two kinds of strategies, those that might work and those that can never work. sableye is definitely in the former.
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False. One card in your opening hand must be a basic, leaving six, plus the one you draw on turn one (if this is :dark: same as if you had it in first six). 59 cards are available distrubited into those cards (everything but the basic).

chance of getting 1-4 with 4 cards in pool of 59, sample size of 7:

= P(1≤X≤4 )
= 1 - P(X=0) - P(X>4) - P(X<0)
= 1 - P(X=0)

HYPGEOMDIST(sample_s,number_sample,population_s,number_population)

Sample_s is the number of successes in the sample.

Number_sample is the size of the sample.

Population_s is the number of successes in the population.

Number_population is the population size.

=1 - HYPGEOMDIST(0,7,4,59)

= 40.5%
 
Suicide said:
The ability to kill some pokemon all the time but most pokemon none of the time does not make sabeley a donker, It makes him versatile to being more than just a stater for setting up. A donking pokemon is someone like kingdra or groudon. who kill most pokemon all the time and some pokemon none of the time. So I ask again what makes people claim in posts that he is a donker?
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a donk is a quick and painfully simple knock out on a pokemon. like kingdra, you rare candy attach and discard 2 cards ... gg

with sableye you attach and then hit for the knock out ... gg

there are less starting pokemon right now with 60+ than 50- that are playable atm i think. and with duskull (unless shining) and ghastly you simply attach any dark energy and hit for the donk

your definision of the 'donk pokemon' is off. i think i didnt word it well but like king, groudon, banny (no energy 7 counters turn 2 ftw) and now sableye, they are gg donkers.
 
Sableye is one of the most dangerous donkers, but there are only a very few decks that can take use of this ability without ruining their consistancy. In DP-SF, the only viable decks that run four darkness energy are Tyranitar variants and some weird T2 decks around stuff like Honchkrow or Houndoom.

If the deck doesn't run special darkness, it only beats Gastly. Dusknoir players can use the shiny Duskull to prevent it, although this is somewhat expensive. And even basic Darkness is usually only teched and not very common at the starting hand.

Once you have a chance to play, there are lots of possibilities to fill your bench, so if you have 4 Call, 4 Bebe, 4 Rose, a Luxury Ball and 7+ other basic Pokémon, there are 20 cards that can help you - very unlikely you won't get one of those in your first 8 cards. So, once the first turn is over, it's no longer that dangerous, even if it has special darkness in the deck.
 
Sableye has great potential for its 1st attack not the 2nd! Theres so many negatives to make sableye a good card if your focusing on donking the opponent.

1) Your opponent could have two basics starting the game. {1 Active/1 Bench}
2) They could have a pokemon with 60 hp or more.
3) They could have a pokemon with 50 hp and the sableye player whiffs on the special dark.
4) The sableye player doesnt start with sableye.
 
Here's another overlooked aspect to Sableye, especially against 60-70 hp starters. like magmar and the AMU faeries. If you have the special dark energy t1 you hit for 20. which means t2 you will be able to ko that wounded basic unless they rare candy it or get it to the bench. yes they may be able to avoid the donk but in any case it still puts an extraordinary amount of pressure on your opponent to have the right cards and to make the right play.

And magic umbreon, isn't your sample pool wrong? i would think it would be 54 cards, the 6 prizes must be accounted for since you can't topdeck something prized. 35% of the time at least one special dark energy will be prized. i admit your math skills are far superior to mine, i was just trying to throw a ballpark number out there. i know the 35% prized number is correct when one runs 4 of something in a deck and since a starting hand is generally 7 cards (1 basic plus 6 other cards) i knew the odds would be about the same.
 
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