Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Sableye a Donker?!!!!!!! Huh?

Just IMHO you have GOT to have a good basic count if you are playing Sableye because if you don't get the donk they might on your lone Sableye start. Since Sableye goes first ALWAYS you give your opponent the ability to RC to Kingdra, Machamp, Infernape, or Togekiss and get the donk on your lone Sableye.
 
revdjweb said:
Here's another overlooked aspect to Sableye, especially against 60-70 hp starters. like magmar and the AMU faeries. If you have the special dark energy t1 you hit for 20. which means t2 you will be able to ko that wounded basic unless they rare candy it or get it to the bench. yes they may be able to avoid the donk but in any case it still puts an extraordinary amount of pressure on your opponent to have the right cards and to make the right play.

And magic umbreon, isn't your sample pool wrong? i would think it would be 54 cards, the 6 prizes must be accounted for since you can't topdeck something prized. 35% of the time at least one special dark energy will be prized. i admit your math skills are far superior to mine, i was just trying to throw a ballpark number out there. i know the 35% prized number is correct when one runs 4 of something in a deck and since a starting hand is generally 7 cards (1 basic plus 6 other cards) i knew the odds would be about the same.
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well since you have you opening 7 before you lay a prize...
 
Sableye certainly can donk as others have pointed out, but unlike Kingdra, Blissey, Banette, Groudon, etc. it is essentially dead weight if you don't get the T1 knock out because in that instance you will likely not be using it at all. Therefore it pales in comparison to every other donk Pokemon in the format. If the opponent gets any evolution out at all or happens to open with a Basic with 60+ HP (any of the Pixies, Pachirisu, Chatot, Turtwig, Eevee, etc.), Sableye immediately loses its luster. Each of those other donk Pokemon I mentioned retain potency throughout the course of the game (some more so than others) even if the opponent does set up and evolve, meaning that they are worth molding a deck around both in anticipation of a donk and a more drawn out game, whereas Sableye is not.

I think if you're going to run Sableye, the best angle is to try and abuse Impersonate, grabbing Wagers, Felicity's etc. (depending on the deck) and disrupting/setting up from the get-go. Overconfident is simply a nice option to have on standby for the handful of instances where it actually will lead to a T1 KO. It's not the real draw of the card though and anyone who thinks they can rely on Sableye donks to get them to the top cut of any tournament is silly.
 
If you want to build a fun deck around Sableye, play him with Swalot (Legends Awakened),
Unown E, Snowpoint Temple, and Moonlight Stadium.

You could have a 90 hp Sableye dealing 50 damage for 1 energy on an 80 hp Stage 1.
Or you could have a 100 hp Swalot dealing 80 damage for 2 energy.
Then you add Pluspower and Buck's Training and a few Pokeblowers to add a few damage counters to the mix and you have OHKOs.
Maybe even Unown!.
 
Muk Man said:
"what the heaven"
if you think gettin a sableye wit a special dark is hard... try getting a horsea rare candy and kingdra in your opening hand.... we all see how hard it is for kingdra to donk someone...so sableye doing it is impossible... i mean all those people thought the could turn 1 donk with kingdra were got a rude awakening...
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I can't tell if you being sarcastic or not. My Kingdra got a T1 Kingdra (when I got second overall) 70-80% of the time.

As for Sableye. I don't think you will see that many Sableye + Dark wins as Dark isn't the strongest type right now.

Drew
 
A good Kingdra list gets T1 when going second nearly every game. It's not improbable or getting lucky, it's how the deck is designed.

If people want to design their deck around Sableye, fine. It won't be as effective as Kingdra.
 
my point is......
it is not IMPOSSIBLE... as people are making it seam to get t1 donk with sableye.
people say kingda is consistency...blah blah...fact is... that sableye will always go first...
kingdra will not always get to go second...
so in the end your chances are about even.
kingdra is just better because if you don't get the t1 donk, then you can still play through the game... but then again having 2-4 sableyes in a non kingdra deck does give you a few options
 
Muk Man said:
my point is......
it is not IMPOSSIBLE... as people are making it seam to get t1 donk with sableye.
people say kingda is consistency...blah blah...fact is... that sableye will always go first...
kingdra will not always get to go second...
so in the end your chances are about even.
kingdra is just better because if you don't get the t1 donk, then you can still play through the game... but then again having 2-4 sableyes in a non kingdra deck does give you a few options
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I didn't say it was impossible. I was responding to your post where you said Kingdra is lucky to T1.

Obviously you're not going to go 2nd every time, the times you go first, it's T2, which is fine.

Sableye may give a few more options, but it's not going to T1 anything if it doesn't run Special Darks, which very few decks can actually run.

That's the point.
 
I can't understand how people can say Sableye is a donker while he may do 40 damage consitantly on the first turn being able to get the 50 damage with a special dark energy is in my opinion unreliable and thus disqualifies Sableye as a donker. The fact that Sableye needs help (aka: Special Dark) to donk the first turn tells me he can't be considered a donking pokemon.
 
ummm kingdra needs rare candy, horsea, and a kingdra while sableye only need 1 special dark and a sableye, it also doesn't matter if it goes first or second. but i still wouldn;t call it much of a donker, it's good, but, it's first attack is better.
 
Suicide said:
I can't understand how people can say Sableye is a donker while he may do 40 damage consitantly on the first turn being able to get the 50 damage with a special dark energy is in my opinion unreliable and thus disqualifies Sableye as a donker. The fact that Sableye needs help (aka: Special Dark) to donk the first turn tells me he can't be considered a donking pokemon.
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well then, looks like you wont have to worry about that at cities then ... cause it dont work.
 
yeah but Kingdra wont be donking too many people in cities... just cause gengar will be so popular... with ghastly as a starter look forward to not playing any trainers for 2-3 turns...lol
 
really, Sableye can be a donker, i have been T1ed by it 2 different times, and it's realllllyyyy annoying, so i won't count Sableye out
 
sableye is a donker againts top three decks uses basic pkmn names such as

1 horsea
2 duskull 50 hp
3 ghastly
4 machop
5 any deck that has 50 hp or below.

note: this only work if the special dark is attached to em
 
Few decks can properly support Sableye with the special dark, though. I've noticed mostly a few Tyranitar builds that can support it, but I saw them 1st turn KO once, and they had a 2nd on bench. Not reliable, and if your deck can't support him without affecting your main strategy (which Sableye would obviously not be) then I don't suggest him.
 
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