Shiftry-ex?
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ZAKtheGeek
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So if Japan's not playing it, it's not worth playing! Forget thinking for yourself, they've got it figured out in Japan ahead of time!Of all the things that made the top cut at JPN Summer Road, only the following cards would be affected by Shiftry ex, and theres only 2-3 times they made it to T4.
Dragonite d
Ludicolo
Blastoise ex
Milotic d
Electrode ex
Pidgeot
Thats sure a power-reliant format, and its going to hit us next. So why bother even playing this card? It has terrible weaknesses, theres just better cards to play that is all.
I note the way you sneak electrode ex in there, in spite of the fact that it couldn't care less about 2+ damage counters after it's used its power.
ToysRUsKid
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I just copied it from my result page. That is all.
I'm not saying the japanese define how this game is played. We played Medicham ex before they did. Anyone want to list which current known decks will be power reliant next format?
Ill start.
- Metagross d + Dragonite d
I'm not saying the japanese define how this game is played. We played Medicham ex before they did. Anyone want to list which current known decks will be power reliant next format?
Ill start.
- Metagross d + Dragonite d
I knew that was coming lol as soon as they started to talk about Dustox/Muk...ryanvergel said:
I think I still see people ranting and raving about how good shiftry is I believe no one has the right to say shiftry loses to anything/ Wins against anything until you have actually played the deck. No one knows the absolute best way to play shiftry yet anyways and I also agree with the Japan synopsis if it is not a big sucess there why will it be here? It is true we played cham before them BUT, Cham didnt stick out like Shiftry does and cham was a deck that used a WHOLE new style of gameplay so of course the common player would not even have thought of that. I believe the Japanesse know whats good and whats not the day that shiftry is tier 1 is going to be the day that everyone can tell me "Told ya so!"
shiftrymaster68
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Ludicargo, Flariados(if it keeps up the hype that it's had so far), Delcatty ex(I don't see it going far, but other people seem to like it...), Banette ex(it's got alot of people liking it, so I'm listing it), and others that I can't think of at the top of my head.
ZAKtheGeek
New Member
I'm to understand that Magma was widely played in Japan, but not in the US until Worlds '04. If it was a big success there, why wouldn't it be here?
And a similar idea applies to ZRE, and Salamence ex was big in Japan too, right? It's just two different places, and what's going on in one isn't a definitive answer to what's going to happen in the other.
I wouldn't have said Mercury was "commonly" played outside the US....it's certainly nowhere near as rare, but it's not a common deck either.
In any case...the reasons for it not being played in the US is a bit of both really. Up until this point in the US metagame, Mercury really wasn't suited, but in the post-US Nats metagame, with a certain tech that's now being applied, Mercury has favourable matchups against most of the popular archetypes. It's difficult to say how much it'll be played at Worlds, but it should do rather well with those who do play it. I wouldn't expect many in the US to use it, simply because of a general ignorance about how to use properly (just because it has a Dragtrode like mechanic, doesn't mean it should be played like Dragtrode, something many players never got to grips with), and because of the discrimination generally seen against the deck by a number of US players, who only ever really tested it back when it was poorly suited to the US meta.
In any case...the reasons for it not being played in the US is a bit of both really. Up until this point in the US metagame, Mercury really wasn't suited, but in the post-US Nats metagame, with a certain tech that's now being applied, Mercury has favourable matchups against most of the popular archetypes. It's difficult to say how much it'll be played at Worlds, but it should do rather well with those who do play it. I wouldn't expect many in the US to use it, simply because of a general ignorance about how to use properly (just because it has a Dragtrode like mechanic, doesn't mean it should be played like Dragtrode, something many players never got to grips with), and because of the discrimination generally seen against the deck by a number of US players, who only ever really tested it back when it was poorly suited to the US meta.
josher3147
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battle frontier doesn't affect shiftry, it's a body, not a power
josher3147
New Member
my mistake
shiftry's good, but not broken. It can't just be used by itself.
shiftry's good, but not broken. It can't just be used by itself.
Flaming_Spinach
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Poliwag92 said:
Just as good as Lati@s.
Soma said:
How was I twisting your words? Here's what you said, before you decide to edit it.
Soma said:
You said "The scarcity", and spoke in terms of a single metagame, implying that you were talking about the US metagame, where it's rare, rather than using words like "The proliference", or speaking in terms of multiple metagames, which would've implied that you meant the metagames of the rest of the world.
If you meant to imply that we were being ignorant, you've only got yourself to blame for me misunderstanding, with the poor phrasing of your statement.