Something that's always been a part of this game: Rant

[baby mario]

Now, how do you know that's the caliber of player you'll face at the tournament? You don't. The tournament is random (within your record restrictions), as is playing people online. I also like to find the better players and play them over a time or two.

Good point! It's always a great idea to test against bad randoms because you need to learn how to beat a bad random in a tournament!

(I really hope you are trolling, because if you're not, this is pretty sad)

 

[Rikko145]

A. If someone totally ignored me when I tried to break the ice. I would consider that rude
B. And if someone retorted stupidly with "Pokemon!" OR "magneboar! Huh derp!" And then find out your playing blastgatr. i would be like wtf...
C. Just because you like a deck styl and just so happenes to be a net-deck doesn't make them lazy.

Try again.
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A.) And if you considered it rude, I probly wouldn't care. Sorry, but when somebody is standing in the deck check line and doing their thing, and somebody else is babbling in their ear, I don't imagine the latter would get a positive response. When you're sitting around waiting, conversation is great. But you don't need to ask them to write a book.
B.) It's called a joke. Maybe you don't get them. People aren't obligated to spill their guts. "Huh. That guy said he plays a fire deck, and I play Kingdra/Mandibuzz. Do I start with Vullaby or Horsea?" You see how that could give them an edge.
C.) When you can't be bothered to make your own list, it's laziness.

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Good point! It's always a great idea to test against bad randoms because you need to learn how to beat a bad random in a tournament!

(I really hope you are trolling, because if you're not, this is pretty sad)

Who says they're bad? That's a tad stereotypical, don't ya think? I made a Hamachi Network, and I boot anybody who's inactive, unsportsmanlike, or if they're a bad player, I direct them to another Network. I filter who I play. Sure, I still go outside my network half the time to add variety, but I still make sure to play the better players.

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Ok. My article wasn't good. Wasn't a troll. Just legitimately addressing a few points on how to be a little extra sneaky. Yall win this whole argument, and I'm wrong about everything I said in this whole thread. If that's what yall wanted to hear, there ya go. I give up.

 

[grassmaster239]

14.) Slit round one opponent's throat after the match so they don't tell everyone else what you're playing.

Thank you.. For the best post ever

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I topped at Nationals that way last year. Played my actual DChomp list at league for about a month and half, mainly because only a few of our league-goers attended Nationals. Other than that it was online and with two or three people. (I was prepared for their decks if I happened to play them, mind you.)

See, Vaporeon? That's why when you get something unique, you keep it a secret. :lol: But I'm sure you discovered that.

You forgot to mention the cheating at nationals. And then losing in top cut because you couldn't cheat anymore.

Anyways

3.) If somebody is done with their match and is watching yours a little to closely for comfort, don't be afraid to ask a judge to ask them to leave. I can watch whatever game I want as long as I am 3 feet from the table or something like that.


4.) Don't list everything you need on your Wants list in the trading forum. People who know you look at that and see you need Emboars. You just narrowed it down a whole lot for them. Mix in things you don't need, make it look like you're playing some idiotic deck choice, and leave out some of the more common things that you do need. That is because if you play bad decks You need bad cards.


Honestly, Didn't your mother teach you not to troll? This thread is a joke.. I mean, you got WPM to post.. its gotta be a troll thread. Anyone with a brain could see this

 

[Rikko145]

Thank you.. For the best post ever

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You forgot to mention the cheating at nationals. And then losing in top cut because you couldn't cheat anymore. I never cheated. I lost in Top Cut to the 2nd Seed. It was his trainer/power lock vs. my DChomp. Better than dropping, like certain people I know.

Anyways

3.) If somebody is done with their match and is watching yours a little to closely for comfort, don't be afraid to ask a judge to ask them to leave. I can watch whatever game I want as long as I am 3 feet from the table or something like that. And even if you have no idea what the actual ruling is, (as usua, you're clueless) since you said it, it's obviously the best argument around.


4.) Don't list everything you need on your Wants list in the trading forum. People who know you look at that and see you need Emboars. You just narrowed it down a whole lot for them. Mix in things you don't need, make it look like you're playing some idiotic deck choice, and leave out some of the more common things that you do need. That is because if you play bad decks You need bad cards. No, because instead of announcing to the online community what I'm playing, I just mix things up a little.


Honestly, Didn't your mother teach you not to troll? This thread is a joke

My mother has been dead since I was five years old and her funeral is my earliest childhood memory, but thanks for that. I'd believe every word you say, but my grandmother doesn't let me ingest that much bologna.

 

[grassmaster239]

No, because instead of announcing to the online community what I'm playing, I just mix things up a little.

You can't play anything... You are banned. Why do you even troll these forums? Just go to hey trainer.. There are plenty of people like you there.. You even have your own thread on there




YOU COULD PLAY SOME TECHS, BUT I CANT TELL YOU ANY

 

[Rikko145]

You can't play anything... You are banned. Why do you even troll these forums? Just go to hey trainer.. There are plenty of people like you there.. You even have your own thread on there

I've been playing online, getting ready for the next season. I've been on here, getting ready for the next season. I don't want to go on Hey Trainer because I don't find it as productive as here or PokeBeach.

 

[grassmaster239]

You have been on here.. Trolling. You are permabanned from beach.. So, obviously anything is more productive then it for you.

I've tried to write several articles about decks I like but wasn't going to play, and tey got rejected because I refused to put in a decklist. I was told to "Give them a list to start with." *Caution! Metaphor Ahead!* In other words, "Sacrifice a limb to the carrion-eating vultures we know as netdeckers."

so. what does you article look like?

HI
I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT TYRANITAR.

THIS IS WHAT TYRANITAR DOES.

I CANT TELL YOU ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE THAT COULD GIVE MY DECK LIST AWAY

 

[Rikko145]

No. And who says it's about Tyranitar? I give in-depth analysis of each of the most vital card sand give relative estimates as to how heavy they should run that card. I show people how to use each card, what its purpose is, and how it contributes to the goal of the deck. Then I move on to accurately describe each matchup and how to play it. However, since I refused to throw anything to the netdeckers, my article was not published.

 

[grassmaster239]

No. And who says it's about Tyranitar? I give in-depth analysis of each of the most vital card sand give relative estimates as to how heavy they should run that card. I show people how to use each card, what its purpose is, and how it contributes to the goal of the deck. Then I move on to accurately describe each matchup and how to play it. However, since I refused to throw anything to the netdeckers, my article was not published.

I just needed an example. If your article was as "good" as this, I can't imagine why it wasn't published

 

[Rikko145]

Yeah, well my topic was a little far out. I figured since nobody had ever said anything about this, I might as well. This was more of a rant/mini-article/tips on how to be more crafty than an actual article.

 

[grassmaster239]

Yeah, well my topic was a little far out. I figured since nobody had ever said anything about this, I might as well. This was more of a rant/mini-article/tips on how to be more crafty than an actual article.

Did you ever think no one ever said anything because no one cares?

 

[Rikko145]

Did you ever think no one ever said anything because no one cares?

Nope. Since nobody ever brouht it up, I never knew what anybody thought. There was only one way to find out, and I guess I was just the only one willing to risk taking the ridicule that comes with bringing up something new.

 

[baby mario]

No. And who says it's about Tyranitar? I give in-depth analysis of each of the most vital card sand give relative estimates as to how heavy they should run that card. I show people how to use each card, what its purpose is, and how it contributes to the goal of the deck. Then I move on to accurately describe each matchup and how to play it. However, since I refused to throw anything to the netdeckers, my article was not published.

See this article?

That's how you do it. You give a basic template for people to modify. It explains how the deck works and gives people a starting point.

No need to be a martyr over it. Whoever refused to publish your article was 100% correct.

 

[grassmaster239]

See this article?

That's how you do it. You give a basic template for people to modify. It explains how the deck works and gives people a starting point.

No need to be a martyr over it. Whoever refused to publish your article was 100% correct.

Oh, I prefer an article like this one.

 

[Rikko145]

See this article?

That's how you do it. You give a basic template for people to modify. It explains how the deck works and gives people a starting point.

No need to be a martyr over it. Whoever refused to publish your article was 100% correct.

Nope. I'm willing to spread knowledge, but I'll not be netdecked. They may very well have been correct. I don't know. Evidently, according to you and grassmaster239, there's a whole lot I don't know. Of course, grassmaster239 gave me the hail Hitler when we played in top cut, told me to spit on a judge, stole from our league leader, and follows me online, so that shoots his credibility. I don't even know you, so you just might be right. But that's okay. If I'm published, great. If not, oh well. At least I gave it an honest effort.

 

[grassmaster239]

Nope. I'm willing to spread knowledge, but I'll not be netdecked. They may very well have been correct. I don't know. Evidently, according to you and grassmaster239, there's a whole lot I don't know. Of course, grassmaster239 gave me the hail Hitler when we played in top cut, told me to spit on a judge, stole from our league leader, and follows me online, so that shoots his credibility. I don't even know you, so you just might be right. But that's okay. If I'm published, great. If not, oh well. At least I gave it an honest effort.

gave me the hail Hitler when we played in top cut lol wut?

told me to spit on a judge I told you not to.. I did the smart thing and told the judge

stole from our league leader that was you

 

[baby mario]

Nope. I'm willing to spread knowledge, but I'll not be netdecked. They may very well have been correct. I don't know. Evidently, according to you and grassmaster239, there's a whole lot I don't know. Of course, grassmaster239 gave me the hail Hitler when we played in top cut, told me to spit on a judge, stole from our league leader, and follows me online, so that shoots his credibility. I don't even know you, so you just might be right. But that's okay. If I'm published, great. If not, oh well. At least I gave it an honest effort.

I don't know you or grassmaster and I'm not interested in your grudge. Spitting on a judge is beyond idiotic. Doing it because someone tells you to is the height of stupidity.

A basic list is of no interest to netdeckers. They won't do the work themselves in making it fully competitive. It is however very helpful to new players who are trying to learn the mechanics of a deck.

I think you are massively exaggerating the extent to which people will want to netdeck you anyway.

 

[Spike]

If one trolls and flames in a troll thread, they too are a troll.

Anyway, on topic, some of your points I agree with for sure. When I go to a tournament, I try to keep my deck out of public knowledge. That doesn't mean it will stay "secret" though, since people have eyes, ears, and mouths. If I sit down to a game, and get asked what I'm playing I usually laugh and say "you'll see." Anyone who would tell what they're playing to an opponent, in a tournament setting, when the other person has no idea, is unnecessarily handicapping themselves. Am I going to do this at league? Definitely not. Am I being rude or paranoid doing this at a tournament where the goal is to win? Again, definitely not

 

[Scipio]

You didn't address the "Your round 1 opponent blathers to everyone that you are playing Deck XX" issue. Which is the biggest way your deck gets leaked anyway.

 

[ALEXARD]

Know your opponent, know yourself and you got the key to victory, I never expected a quote from ash to be so true.

I must agree that the level of secrecy exposed or suggested here would be going to far, being mean to other players is not a wise choice, since the game objective is to have fun, personal grudges should be left for the ring, but random unknown players don`t deserve such treatment.

But getting into a logical perspective, information is a double edged sword, a good player would figure out the opponent deck right after the setup, without third party help, during a tournament you can freely shout about your deck, with no regret, since nobody will be able to tech or choose a typing that beats you in the middle of a tourney... But before the tournament starts it would be the most stupid thing ever, and yeah many people actually measure the competition by trading and asking wich deck you play, but most of the time they just want to squeeze you with overprized cards they know you need.

I find it really dumb to change your deck right before a big tournament, 1 card changes the flow of everything, and most of the time the people who do this, does it because they got a "last minute tip" about a card that worked wonders, this information might be real for certain decks, but not for all of them.

But is far more idiotic to try your deck against good players, this is a game that involves many factors, and observation might be one of the most trascendent ones, like in pocker; the more you play against a good player, you are not getting closer to beat them during the tourney, you are giving them valuable clues to prevent your winning pattern, since they will memorize anything that proved to be a dangerous match up, and obviously a chance to tech something that might obliterate the counter.

New or bad players on the other hand, benefit greatly from playing against the big hits, since they have a chance to learn tactics and see decks perform at their fullest, giving them a baseline on how to build their decks or how to use certain cards... the sad thing is that most of the time this marks the beggining of netdecking, since the top player might be a netdecker only worried for winning, this might corrupt sprouting players into becoming like them, is healthier for the game to let them create their own versions, where they must figure out by themselves what works and what doesn`t, rather than letting them get the info from internet or cloning your decklist.