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[vaporeon]

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During my testing, playing the deck and aginst it, all it did was make it a turn faster for Dragon Rush or Trash Bolt if it needed to be used. Games where I did not get DCE, I had to wait 2 turns.

 

[Porii Sames]

You know how crucial that is? With DCE, you can do back to back Drushes, which is the best attack in the game, hands down.

 

[Scipio]

During my testing, playing the deck and aginst it, all it did was make it a turn faster for Dragon Rush or Trash Bolt if it needed to be used. Games where I did not get DCE, I had to wait 2 turns.

So wait, you're saying that this:

"Attach DCE, Energy Gain, level up, Dragon Rush"
Next turn:
"Retreat to Crobat, Turn the Bat, attach DCE, Dragon Rush"

Is only marginally better then:

"Attach energy, go"
Next turn:
"Attach another energy, level up, attach E-Gain, Dragon Rush"
Next turn:
"Turn Garchomp, play down Garchomp with Energy, pass"
Next turn:
"Level Up, Attach E-Gain, attach another energy, Dragon Rush"

....Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

 

[vaporeon]

So wait, you're saying that this:

"Attach DCE, Energy Gain, level up, Dragon Rush"
Next turn:
"Retreat to Crobat, Turn the Bat, attach DCE, Dragon Rush"

Is only marginally better then:

"Attach energy, go"
Next turn:
"Attach another energy, level up, attach E-Gain, Dragon Rush"
Next turn:
"Turn Garchomp, play down Garchomp with Energy, pass"
Next turn:
"Level Up, Attach E-Gain, attach another energy, Dragon Rush"

....Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

you know what I mean.

---------- Post added 04/11/2011 at 01:58 PM ----------

You know how crucial that is? With DCE, you can do back to back Drushes, which is the best attack in the game, hands down.

I know that. I was say when I did not draw any, I had to wait 2 turns to power another dragon rush. I had games where I could not draw one, even after 2 Uxies.

 

[Scipio]

you know what I mean.

---------- Post added 04/11/2011 at 01:58 PM ----------



I know that. I was say when I did not draw any, I had to wait 2 turns to power another dragon rush. I had games where I could not draw one, even after 2 Uxies.

And even then, DCE is such a huge improvement it isn't even funny. Let's see what it does...

- Allow you to do back-to-back D-Rushes without needing to pre-charge
- T1 Garchomp DCE Egain Donk
- T1 Luxray DCE Bite Donk on 30 HP stuff
- Take only 2 turns to charge up a Garchomp in such a way Ambipom cant revenge instead of 3
- Allow that same Ambipom T1 donks without E-Gain
- Allow Dragonite to be a more useable tech

It's crazy just how much DCE does for Luxchomp.

 

[vaporeon]

And even then, DCE is such a huge improvement it isn't even funny. Let's see what it does...

- Allow you to do back-to-back D-Rushes without needing to pre-charge
- T1 Garchomp DCE Egain Donk
- T1 Luxray DCE Bite Donk on 30 HP stuff
- Take only 2 turns to charge up a Garchomp in such a way Ambipom cant revenge instead of 3
- Allow that same Ambipom T1 donks without E-Gain
- Allow Dragonite to be a more useable tech

It's crazy just how much DCE does for Luxchomp.

This I know but all in the end, it just makes the deck 1 turn faster for attacking.

 

[Scipio]

This I know but all in the end, it just makes the deck 1 turn faster for attacking.

1 turn. The same amount of time a Machamp needs to get fired up. Half the time Gengar needs to Poltergeist you.
See how important that one turn is? In the long run, 4 DCE cuts on 4 turns of energy attachment. In today's meta, that is unbelievably important.

 

[nnaann]

Coming from someone who has been playing Luxchomp since before DCE's release, that card is ridiculously good in Luxchomp. I don't have time right now to list all the benefits which it brings apart from making attacks one turn faster, but I would suggest you build two Luxchomp decks, one with and one without DCE, and see the difference it makes after playing a couple of games against all the Tier 1 decks at the moment.

 

[vaporeon]

Coming from someone who has been playing Luxchomp since before DCE's release, that card is ridiculously good in Luxchomp. I don't have time right now to list all the benefits which it brings apart from making attacks one turn faster, but I would suggest you build two Luxchomp decks, one with and one without DCE, and see the difference it makes after playing a couple of games against all the Tier 1 decks at the moment.

I'm not sure what 4 cards you would replace them with.

---------- Post added 04/11/2011 at 03:03 PM ----------

1 turn. The same amount of time a Machamp needs to get fired up. Half the time Gengar needs to Poltergeist you.
See how important that one turn is? In the long run, 4 DCE cuts on 4 turns of energy attachment. In today's meta, that is unbelievably important.

Now that you look at it that way. Saving 4 turns is huge.

 

[Porii Sames]

^Not to be overly obvious but....

Energies>