Team Aqua Team Magma List; Does Anyone Know?
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Well, let's close a season on Old Man and open one on Soslowpoke for giving us all the card lists for the WOTC sets before the release dates. How could you? Maybe Soslow is to blame for WOTC loosing the license? Just kidding. It's the card game and everything helps advertizing. Did anyone ask Pokemon USA how the TV Reporter mistake affected the Dragon EX sales, and whether it was a mistake or a planned event? This is more important question than why the list was released. I guess we'll never know.
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oohh, Martha was just convicted of covering up and using "insider info" to illegally sell her stocks. So, anyone using the "leaked" card list to their advantage tomorrow, well, be careful. Don't cover it up, or you too could be guilty.
Okay GLBlaine, I'm not privvy to the PTO/PUI non-disclosure agreement, so I can't really address whether a PTO is at fault here. But, the non-PTO (oldman) is NOT at fault here (unless of course he was told by his PTO not to squeal - if that's where he got his info).
My PTO let me see the Pre-release stuff earlier this week because I'm the HJ. He verbally told me not to reveal the info. Maybe that's similiar to oldman's situation. So, if a PTO preps his staff by showing them the pre-release stuff before the tournament, then, one of the staff reveals the info, what then? Did the PTO make a mistake?
It's not like this info came up so early that damage has been done. It's just not a big issue to me.
GLBlaine, no "dissing" intended to you my friend.
Okay GLBlaine, I'm not privvy to the PTO/PUI non-disclosure agreement, so I can't really address whether a PTO is at fault here. But, the non-PTO (oldman) is NOT at fault here (unless of course he was told by his PTO not to squeal - if that's where he got his info).
My PTO let me see the Pre-release stuff earlier this week because I'm the HJ. He verbally told me not to reveal the info. Maybe that's similiar to oldman's situation. So, if a PTO preps his staff by showing them the pre-release stuff before the tournament, then, one of the staff reveals the info, what then? Did the PTO make a mistake?
It's not like this info came up so early that damage has been done. It's just not a big issue to me.
GLBlaine, no "dissing" intended to you my friend.
Honestly, now this is starting to make me sick.
Let's all remember that we are the consumers that make Nintendo go round.
We don't have to bow down and kiss their feet just because they're gracious enough to make this game and make lots of money for themselves...
PART of having new sets and RELEASING information to ANYONE, is that obviously it's going to leak. Geez, we have memos leak from the United States GOVERNMENT, I surely doubt that normal everyday pokemon citizens who have been privy to such info are going to all align in one pact to KEEP THE TRUTH HIDDEN!
It's not a big deal, and we shouldn't be treating it as such. It's a freaking expansion set that's been released in Japan ALREADY! What's the point of this? Man, I never saw such fallout back when people were predicting the Fossil and Team Rocket expansions...
Old Man got the list somehow, and released it. So? He's not a Nintendo employee, and he's not aligned with any one group. He's a consumer. He can do whatever the heck he wants with whatever info he receives.
The only way I would disagree with someone releasing information is that Nintendo specifically asked THEM not to... So basically, whoever gave the information to Old Man is the person at fault, if there is any fault to be assigned.
Oh, and btw, not only TO's got the info... so did the media.
~ RaNd0m
Let's all remember that we are the consumers that make Nintendo go round.
We don't have to bow down and kiss their feet just because they're gracious enough to make this game and make lots of money for themselves...
PART of having new sets and RELEASING information to ANYONE, is that obviously it's going to leak. Geez, we have memos leak from the United States GOVERNMENT, I surely doubt that normal everyday pokemon citizens who have been privy to such info are going to all align in one pact to KEEP THE TRUTH HIDDEN!
It's not a big deal, and we shouldn't be treating it as such. It's a freaking expansion set that's been released in Japan ALREADY! What's the point of this? Man, I never saw such fallout back when people were predicting the Fossil and Team Rocket expansions...
Old Man got the list somehow, and released it. So? He's not a Nintendo employee, and he's not aligned with any one group. He's a consumer. He can do whatever the heck he wants with whatever info he receives.
The only way I would disagree with someone releasing information is that Nintendo specifically asked THEM not to... So basically, whoever gave the information to Old Man is the person at fault, if there is any fault to be assigned.
Oh, and btw, not only TO's got the info... so did the media.
~ RaNd0m
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Were the PTOs the only people shown by Nintendo the card set list?
Broken Lizard
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When I signed onto the Gym yesterday, I did so looking for the inevitable post that would contain the set list.
old man happened to be the one who posted it, but I was pretty sure someone would.
Because I 'knew' the list would be there, I wanted to have it. I wanted to have it because the Chicago players would have it if it was posted, and I wanted to neutralize any advantage they would have when I play there tomorrow.
I play to win. In order to win, I need to be sure I've done all the homework I can, because some other players always do their homework as well. I was told by a reliable source that at least one PTO has shared the list with their regular league attendees in advance of a previous prerelease. Apparently that PTO was just trying to help out the loyal customers.
I'm happy I have the set list now that it is out. As far as I'm concerned, old man just happened to be the first to leak it. If he hadn't, I'm betting someone else would have.
In any event, sharing the info is not as bad as gloating "I know something you don't know (because I'm more important than you)". This is essentially what a few people were doing, and it's VERY annoying.
To the rest of the PTO's who don't act like that: THANK YOU for running events!
old man happened to be the one who posted it, but I was pretty sure someone would.
Because I 'knew' the list would be there, I wanted to have it. I wanted to have it because the Chicago players would have it if it was posted, and I wanted to neutralize any advantage they would have when I play there tomorrow.
I play to win. In order to win, I need to be sure I've done all the homework I can, because some other players always do their homework as well. I was told by a reliable source that at least one PTO has shared the list with their regular league attendees in advance of a previous prerelease. Apparently that PTO was just trying to help out the loyal customers.
I'm happy I have the set list now that it is out. As far as I'm concerned, old man just happened to be the first to leak it. If he hadn't, I'm betting someone else would have.
In any event, sharing the info is not as bad as gloating "I know something you don't know (because I'm more important than you)". This is essentially what a few people were doing, and it's VERY annoying.
To the rest of the PTO's who don't act like that: THANK YOU for running events!
meganium45
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I for one am not happy. In my opinion, the list should not even be available online anymore before such an event, or simply just stop holding the events.
The idea that the cards a a surprise and a secret makes the event kind of a neat thing. Just glad not all of the surprises are out of the bag, or maybe they are, I have no idea at this point.
Yeah, Old Man is getting flack for releasing a list he should not have had access to if it was accurate. That is why I do not let ANY of my judges or help see anything until the morning of the event. The judges and non-PTOs are not stuck under that same contract we PTOs signed. The only answer I have is not to give info until the last moment.
I wish I had an answer, just kind of blah that the list got put up, and that everyone is defending the list being put up by someone who got it who should not have had it. Even in his posts he admitted to getting it by his "computer skills" (hacking) or some other illegitimate means. I would have to the be OK PTO, because all eyes will be looking at him over this one, and perhaps, undeservedly so, as he has busted his hump to make OK a good place to play....
The people defending the post, are, well, the predicatable group, with the predicatable responses....
See you all at a future event.
M45
The idea that the cards a a surprise and a secret makes the event kind of a neat thing. Just glad not all of the surprises are out of the bag, or maybe they are, I have no idea at this point.
Yeah, Old Man is getting flack for releasing a list he should not have had access to if it was accurate. That is why I do not let ANY of my judges or help see anything until the morning of the event. The judges and non-PTOs are not stuck under that same contract we PTOs signed. The only answer I have is not to give info until the last moment.
I wish I had an answer, just kind of blah that the list got put up, and that everyone is defending the list being put up by someone who got it who should not have had it. Even in his posts he admitted to getting it by his "computer skills" (hacking) or some other illegitimate means. I would have to the be OK PTO, because all eyes will be looking at him over this one, and perhaps, undeservedly so, as he has busted his hump to make OK a good place to play....
The people defending the post, are, well, the predicatable group, with the predicatable responses....
See you all at a future event.
M45
ukpokemonpro
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My apologises 'Pop, I will delete that ref' .. I keep forgetting farbsman is not a mod .. must be the way he posts
Meganium45,
And the people aattacking old man are not the usual suspects with the usual predictable responses?
We all have our opinions it is just a pity that it seems a lot of people here don't believe people have a right to state them? I personally don't see a problem with posting the list a few days before the pre-release, some do have a problem with that, well that is their right to have that opinion too but please stop this insanity that says old man has spoiled the day for everyone! Perhaps we will be happy when he is hung, drawn and quartered!
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Broken Lizard
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you go ukpokemonpro!!!
The "predictableness" goes both ways....
So, does any PTO want to share the non-disclosure agreement here? Or, is THAT non-disclose-able too? I'm curious.
Broken Lizard makes an EXCELLENT point. HOW DARE Sensei release those rulings BEFORE the big event on Saturaday!!
The "predictableness" goes both ways....
So, does any PTO want to share the non-disclosure agreement here? Or, is THAT non-disclose-able too? I'm curious.
Broken Lizard makes an EXCELLENT point. HOW DARE Sensei release those rulings BEFORE the big event on Saturaday!!
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meganium45
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Those rulings were needed - imagine running the event without them tomorrow - talk about chaos.
And, yes, I overgeneralized here - everyone has the right to express their opinion, and does no matter what on this board, myself included.
I will disagree with the list being posted, and how it was obtained. I do believe it takes away from the event.
Of course, by tommorrow night, everyone will know all of the cards and there will be few surprises next week at the pre-releases, but that is predicatable for the second weekend.
Ok, nuff said, I will stop beating the dead horse.
M45
And, yes, I overgeneralized here - everyone has the right to express their opinion, and does no matter what on this board, myself included.
I will disagree with the list being posted, and how it was obtained. I do believe it takes away from the event.
Of course, by tommorrow night, everyone will know all of the cards and there will be few surprises next week at the pre-releases, but that is predicatable for the second weekend.
Ok, nuff said, I will stop beating the dead horse.
M45
LOL Steve.I`ve been a bad boy.
Like Meg stated,they were needed for this weekends prereleases...or you can just not have them and complain why wasn`t something asked and put out before the event to make it run smoother...which would you choose?
I think there are a few points that are being overlooked here.In the past,when soslow(or whomever) posted the lists,two things are to be considered:1)There were very few PTO`s on the boards then because WotC did not recruit much of the community to be a TO or PTO.With PUI,alot of people are now being given the chance to step up and become an organizer.We now have many more PTO`s which we all should be thankful for.2)When soslow(or whomever) released set info,it was usually from an outside source(person,site,etc.) and not something that was lifted off or from(in whatever manner) the PTO list.This is why there are many PTO`s that feel upset about this.Somewhere,somehow that PTO info was gotten and leaked out and thus understandibly,has caused some hard feelings.If this was any other set that had nothing to do with the PTO info,then you wouldn`t have this "discussion".
`Sensei
Like Meg stated,they were needed for this weekends prereleases...or you can just not have them and complain why wasn`t something asked and put out before the event to make it run smoother...which would you choose?
I think there are a few points that are being overlooked here.In the past,when soslow(or whomever) posted the lists,two things are to be considered:1)There were very few PTO`s on the boards then because WotC did not recruit much of the community to be a TO or PTO.With PUI,alot of people are now being given the chance to step up and become an organizer.We now have many more PTO`s which we all should be thankful for.2)When soslow(or whomever) released set info,it was usually from an outside source(person,site,etc.) and not something that was lifted off or from(in whatever manner) the PTO list.This is why there are many PTO`s that feel upset about this.Somewhere,somehow that PTO info was gotten and leaked out and thus understandibly,has caused some hard feelings.If this was any other set that had nothing to do with the PTO info,then you wouldn`t have this "discussion".
`Sensei
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Meganium45 said:
Hehe, in Magic, they tend to have the list of a new set out (a list of stuff that's NEVER EXISTED ANYWHERE, NOT EVEN JAPAN!!!) at least a couple weeks on a site like Brainburst, and they still keep their prereleases! We're just exhibiting another trait as to why the game's like a mini-MtG: stuff gets leaked, so get over it, y'all! >_<
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Broken Lizard said:
Just as an FYI,all those questions in the rulings report from yesterdays meeting were derived from,in one form or another,the TM/TA FAQ that was released just recently.NOT ONE of us knew what the contents were (other than from viewing the set list that was posted...).I have my boxes for my prerelease and I have not opened a single pack...
`Sensei
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Shakespeare
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Kyogre:
I meant no ill toward you, sorry if it seemed that way. Just tring to defend yours and old man's right to post on this topic. We all like a couple of hints on what's coming out. You hit it right on the head, NO ONE NEEDED TO LOOK IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO!
Old man:
Right on the money! There is just a list, no attacts, no pokepowers, pokebodies, no hp...ect. If anyone read the spoilers for the set they ruined it for themselves anyways. The set list is meaningless. I posted this topic for more of a collector's point (though i love the game also!).
I meant no ill toward you, sorry if it seemed that way. Just tring to defend yours and old man's right to post on this topic. We all like a couple of hints on what's coming out. You hit it right on the head, NO ONE NEEDED TO LOOK IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO!
Old man:
Right on the money! There is just a list, no attacts, no pokepowers, pokebodies, no hp...ect. If anyone read the spoilers for the set they ruined it for themselves anyways. The set list is meaningless. I posted this topic for more of a collector's point (though i love the game also!).
soslowpoke
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Oak said:Well, let's close a season on Old Man and open one on Soslowpoke for giving us all the card lists for the WOTC sets before the release dates. How could you? Maybe Soslow is to blame for WOTC loosing the license? QUOTE]
OKAY I ADMIT IT!
I am solely responsible for WotC losing the license. What I did was spread nasty rumours about flooding the market with 'B stock' ...wait that was someone else
What really cut it for them was when I posted that LC2 list...
Lol, Mega, I know I'm predictable... I'm usually on the side of the anti-conformist
In this case, I see both sides. But if anything, the release of the set list made it easier for everyone involved to be on equal ground. Most of the strong players would've probably already researched the Japanese cards anyways. For example, Blaziken ex is one of the cards we all worried about 3 months before this set was released. We still don't know, even with the set list, whether they errata'd it or not.
If Nintendo comes down hard on this, they're obviously not familiar with the CCG community... predicting set contents (and having knowledge of future set contents) has been done for years.
Also Mega, I think old man was sarcastic when he said the hacking thing.
~ RaNd0m
In this case, I see both sides. But if anything, the release of the set list made it easier for everyone involved to be on equal ground. Most of the strong players would've probably already researched the Japanese cards anyways. For example, Blaziken ex is one of the cards we all worried about 3 months before this set was released. We still don't know, even with the set list, whether they errata'd it or not.
If Nintendo comes down hard on this, they're obviously not familiar with the CCG community... predicting set contents (and having knowledge of future set contents) has been done for years.
Also Mega, I think old man was sarcastic when he said the hacking thing.
~ RaNd0m
Don't need to worry about Blaze ex at the prerelease. Can't evolve to it.
And as 'sensei said and I'll say also: None of TC has seen the set yet. Not even a list, until we read Old Man's post. We got a preview of some card text as part of discussion of the rulings for this week, but they are all related to FAQ questions and things we felt needed further clarification on those FAQs.
We wish we had been given a prior look at the set.
You'd probably have a much longer list of additions to the Compendium if we had...
And as 'sensei said and I'll say also: None of TC has seen the set yet. Not even a list, until we read Old Man's post. We got a preview of some card text as part of discussion of the rulings for this week, but they are all related to FAQ questions and things we felt needed further clarification on those FAQs.
We wish we had been given a prior look at the set.
You'd probably have a much longer list of additions to the Compendium if we had...
We wish we had been given a prior look at the set.
You'd probably have a much longer list of additions to the Compendium if we had
Pretty sad when you`re doing something for the good of the community and someone still has to complain about it.
You'd probably have a much longer list of additions to the Compendium if we had
Pretty sad when you`re doing something for the good of the community and someone still has to complain about it.
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