Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

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PhoenixSong said:
I'm not defending the action, I'm saying that the rules need to be enforced consistantly.
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You're assuming that POP has the PROOF they need to apply sanctions in each and every case that hasn't resulted in a suspension. Perhaps they don't.

Case in point: we found a lot of obscene graffitti drawn on tablecoverings in our TCG area at Nationals, naming players by name, etc. It was obvious to us just who was at those tables all day since we saw that group there, but we had no PROOF of which specific individuals at those tables did the drawings...=/

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'mom
 
As far as your first post goes: respect is earned.

That second post isn't even a sentence.

I'm glad you guys all feel bad for me. Since my mom didn't hug me enough, its nice to know that you all can fill the void left by my terrible upbringing. Its only a shame that the real people that will suffer are my future kids. Hopefully social services will step in.

In all seriousness, I'm about as normal as they come. Just because I'm intelligent, articulate, don't follow the crowd like a sheep, and don't let bullies push me around doesn't mean I'm a bad person. I guess I can be very blunt and sarcastic at times and if that offends you I guess I'm sorry, but deal with it =\
 
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POP's OP programme is an at will relationship. What that means is that it IS a Take-it-or-leave-it deal.

There is no point in getting angry at anyone who posts, accurately, that the relationship is one of take-it-or-leave-it. You might not like that relationship and maybe you can successfully argue for some changes. But I doubt that you will get anywhere by attacking those who voice the current reality.

I've done stupid things in the past too, some I was punished for , and some I got away with. With many years of hindsight all I can say is that I'm glad that I was picked up on minor matters and didn't have my first experience of punishment for something major.
 
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Let's not forget that Nintendo and Pokemon are COMPANIES and have organized POP to promote and increase sales of their product. Organized Play is not a day-care or counseling center for troubled youth-if a POP player is doing ANYTHING to sully the image of Organized play, or hinder the promotion of the Pokemon TCG, POP has every right to ban the indvidual(s), unless a case could be made that the banning was based on the grounds of said player's sex, race, national origin, disability, etc.

This is a KIDS game, first and foremost. The TCG, cartoons, and other merchandise is desgined with a 12 and under target market in mind. It's only through virtue of superior promotion, unqiue learning curve, and some unknown universal appeal that keeps thousands of teenagers and adults intrigued by the Trading Card Game. Pokemon prides itself in kid-friendly, squeaky-clean image. Would you let your child participate in organized play, if you knew that POP allowed perverts who expose children to pornography to attend Organized Play events, and that this player would continue to be registered with POP and have access to any child at a Organized Play event?

Not only is it immoral, it's terrible for business. What he did may seem trivial to the average teenager who is exposed to this kind of dirt on a daily basis, but not to an innocent nine-year old child.
 
I'm not only saying that POP had the right to ban in this case, they had the financial and moral DUTY to.

In all seriousness, I'm about as normal as they come. Just because I'm intellegent, articulate, don't follow the croud like a sheep, and don't let bullies push me around doesn't mean I'm a bad person. I guess I can be very blunt and sarcastic at times and if that offends you I guess I'm sorry, but deal with it =\
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So you are unique by distributing to porn to children? Those 9-year old bullies must be awfully tenacious.....
 
Which leaves just if a ban is 'appropriate' or 'fair' or 'justified'. I try really hard to be fair and even handed but I can't see how anything less than a suspension whilst the investigation takes place is inappropriate. To recieve a ban once proven that you were guilty doesn't seem harsh at all. If Jake was a professor then the ban may be final. :(
 
SD PokéMom said:
Martin, you don't know what you're talking about.

Jake was sending #### links disguised as POP's page with the new modified format to 11 year old players via AIM. Any bans Jake had on the 'Gym had NOTHING to do with whatever disciplinary actions POP handed out.

'mom
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I must say I'm really in the gray about this one as well. I'm absolutely clear on the actions taken against him through the 'Gym, but what I fail to see is how this pertains to any violation against POP itself.

Not trying to say what Jake did was right, but the incident only involved (1) AIM and (2) PokeGym, neither an official channel of POP in any way. Its not like Jake was at a tournament handing out URLs to little kids that were links to ####.
 
Moss Factor said:
As far as your first post goes: respect is earned.
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Wrong. Your respect has to be earned. The only way to earn it is to show respect towards others

In all seriousness, I'm about as normal as they come. Just because I'm intelligent, articulate, don't follow the crowd like a sheep, and don't let bullies push me around doesn't mean I'm a bad person. I guess I can be very blunt and sarcastic at times and if that offends you I guess I'm sorry, but deal with it =\
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Oh don't worry. Us moderators* deal with it a lot... and we are so damn...bloody... sick of it, so just stop.
* = no, I am not a Moderator here, but on another message board

DarkLordSigma said:
Not trying to say what Jake did was right, but the incident only involved (1) AIM and (2) PokeGym, neither an official channel of POP in any way. Its not like Jake was at a tournament handing out URLs to little kids that were links to ####.
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He disguised the links as official POP links.
 
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DarkLordSigma said:
I must say I'm really in the gray about this one as well. I'm absolutely clear on the actions taken against him through the 'Gym, but what I fail to see is how this pertains to any violation against POP itself.

Not trying to say what Jake did was right, but the incident only involved (1) AIM and (2) PokeGym, neither an official channel of POP in any way. Its not like Jake was at a tournament handing out URLs to little kids that were links to ####.
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Well, to put it bluntly, you're wrong.
Don't know how many times it has to be said, but let's try one more time:
This incident did not involve the PokeGym.
Period.
Sure, it was discussed on the Gym, just as it is being discussed now, but it happened, as you note, over AIM.
If Jake had just AIMed kids saying "Hey, check out this porn link: *********" then I doubt that POP would have gotten involved.
What specifically DID bring POP into this was, stating again for the fifth time on this thread, his disguising the link as a POP page.

POP does not care who is banned or not on the Gym. Example?
The National Champion is banned on the Gym. Didn't affect his winning Nationals in the least. And I will note that almost the entire Gym staff comprised about half of the judging staff at Nationals.
So don't link any actions taken by the Gym with actions taken by POP. Is there any way to explain that more clearly?
 
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DLS: the moment that POP were made aware of Jakes' actions it became official.

Is this thread a TROLL?
 
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ok, it's about time to set the record straight........

i know JAKE quite well, but in all honesty, the CORRECT decision was made in banning him......

what jake did was a crime (soliciting obscenity to a minor) and in all honesty, i'm glad he got banned....... I DON'T WANT SOMEONE LIKE THAT PLAYING THE GAME!!! how stupid do u have to be to send porn links to an 11-yr-old???? seriously, had POP not taken actions, i would've been extremely dissappointed....... the rationale that POP has no business is assenine at best....... POP is in charge of making this game the most enjoyable for everyone, and if cutting out people that harass others helps, then more power to them

what jake did was an embarrassment to all of ST. LOUIS players and i personally apologize to everyone that was involved in this............neither me, MEG45 nor any other judge condone what he did

i'll tell u one thing, had JAKE been handing out URL's at a tourney......... i'd have him banned from the store, the league, POP, and then i'd have it put on his record..........
 
I would think most people would be suprised that this would happen, thinking that most people get away with this kind of thing. I'd say that they are finally starting to recognize the situation. They'll go ahead and ban more people, if you just tell POP who they are. It's all about making OP a more acceptable atmosphere for players and the parents of the players.
 
Moss Factor said:
As far as your first post goes: respect is earned.

That second post isn't even a sentence.

I'm glad you guys all feel bad for me. Since my mom didn't hug me enough, its nice to know that you all can fill the void left by my terrible upbringing. Its only a shame that the real people that will suffer are my future kids. Hopefully social services will step in.

In all seriousness, I'm about as normal as they come. Just because I'm intelligent, articulate, don't follow the crowd like a sheep, and don't let bullies push me around doesn't mean I'm a bad person. I guess I can be very blunt and sarcastic at times and if that offends you I guess I'm sorry, but deal with it =\
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This post really goes to show the person you are. "Normal"? Perhaps. But here's where we part ways. What is considered normal is not necessarily right. You may indeed be intelligent, but there is an absolutely huge difference between knowledge .... and wisdom.

Those who are wise, respect those in authority, whether they feel they are worthy of respect or not, or if they've earned it or not. Personally, I (and many others) feel she has earned the right for respect, whether you feel it's the case or not. I feel it would be wrong for me if I didn't at least ask you to reconsider your words - though I have no authority to enforce it.

Your sarcasm shows you have a healthy grasp of knowledge, but wisdom would protect you from harming yourself and others by the damaging effects of your speech. This again goes back to my earlier comments - just because you have the free will to say something, doesn't make it a wise thing to do.

Remember - your reputation is built by everything you do and say. What sort of message are you trying to convey? Believe me, you should consider the course of wisdom, not knowledge.

It's good to be a leader. It's better to be a leader that is wise. Please think on that.
 
Moss Factor said:
Also, what is wrong with drinking? Last time I checked its legal.
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First of all, it is a well known fact that the person who made that statment is NOT of age. Second of all, this is a game where we play cards with pictures of cartoon characters on them, the most famous of which is a small, yellow, electric mouse. Obviously, the game is directed at children. While you are certainly entitled to your views regarding drinking, the promotion of alcohal usage in a way which is clearly visible to young players is detrimental to the idea of spirit of the game.

SDPokeMom said:
we found a lot of obscene graffitti drawn on tablecoverings in our TCG area at Nationals, naming players by name, etc...
Get it?
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Anyone who wanted to find proof of those things happening only had to open thier eyes. It is not a mystery. The players in question are not concealing what they are doing - they do it because they know they can get away with it. They use the language they do because they know there will be no reprecussion.
Again, I am arguing less the point that POP is wrong in this instance and more the point that I don't think certain standards are always applied consistantly. That, in the long run, is going to be very detrimental to the game.
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NoPoke said:
But I doubt that you will get anywhere by attacking those who voice the current reality.
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Attacking? That is very inflamatory language.

weedler said:
Would you let your child participate in organized play, if you knew that POP allowed perverts who expose children to pornography to attend Organized Play events, and that this player would continue to be registered with POP and have access to any child at a Organized Play event?
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At the same time, would you allow your child to participate knowing that he would be exposed to high levels of R and X rated language, as well as to the promotion of illegal activities? Again, I am not defending Jake's action - I am posing the question of whether or not we are doing a good enough job of enforcing the ideas of SPOG on a consistant and level basis.
 
procrastination_alley said:
Those who are wise, respect those in authority, whether they feel they are worthy of respect or not, or if they've earned it or not.
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One of the great mistakes of age is the assumption that authority entitles one to respect. Just because a person carries a title does not make them worthy of respect, nor does it give them any true authority. True authority comes only when a group of people willingly follow. Blind trust in authority is a militant and communist principal and leads to a widening gap between the powerful and the powerless.
 
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