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JandPDS

JandPDS

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Yes it has trouble with Fire decks, and the Zekrom Matchup is challenging (winnable but challenging) But it has strong matchups vs anything else out there. I saw one yesterday while I was judging discard 3 chandleures before his opponent could get one powered up (Yes it was hitting for 3 damage a turn, but it did not hurt the durrants much).

I really think this deck can be a major force to be reckoned with. If it gets Popular the mirrors should be interesting.
 
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"Problem for fire decks & Zekrom"

Stopped reading there, stop and look at ~60% (matbe more) of the meta around you.
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FMaholic said:
"Problem for fire decks & Zekrom"

Stopped reading there, stop and look at ~60% (matbe more) of the meta around you.
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First Place Masters Cities Results as of 12/6 said:
1st Place
8 ZPST (1 w/Kingdra 1 w/Lanturn 1 w/Yanmega)
8 Zone/Eel (1w/Thunudurs 1 w/Zekrom)
5 The Truth (1 w/Cobalion)
5 Chandulure( 3 w/Vileplume)
4 Lanturn/Eel (2 w/Zekrom, 1 w/Thundurus )
4 Yanmega/Magnezone
4 Kyruem/Cobalion/Electrode
2 Durant
2 Typlosion/Reshiram
2 Terrakion/Yanmega/Zoarark (2 w/Tornadus, 1 w/ Zekrom)
1 Zekrom/Eel (1 w/Tornadus, 1 w/Thundurus)
1 Vanilluxe
1 Emboar/Reshiram
1 Six Corners
1 Terrakion/Virizion/Kyurem/Reshiram/Zekrom
1 Zorark/Mew/Yanmega (w SEL)
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Yes, 10/50 = ~60%...

You're right that the presence of ZPST and Reshiphlosion will prevent Durant from ever becoming BDIF, but in this format, there won't ever be a BDIF because of the amount of viable decks. There's a counter for everything out there.
 
Is terrible in best of 3, so it will never be a truly good play for a tournament. I actually think Durant is pretty good in Swiss, it has alright match-ups, that Best of 3 is just a killer though.
 
Even with only 1 Chandelure down with my horrible Chandelure build I beat a Durant deck in Swiss this last Sunday.

I don't see how 'Lure could possibly lose to Durant barring horrible luck (EG all Chandies get milled + all Rods+JArms get milled as well).

Just have to learn to play conservatively, people! Get one Chandy out and drop the 3 counters every turn, never play another card after that, don't even drop a Beach or anything. Let your hand grow, then N it back into your deck. GG Durant.
 
The deck has serious problems against fire, trainer lock (Gothitelle, Vileplume) and big basic decks (Zekrom, Coballion, Landorus, Tornadus). And players are quickly learning how to play against Dutant. So it's a definite no to the question of a possible BDIF.
 
Durant will be easily countered as long as people play the matchup conservative. I have played Durant for lolz and I have seen far too many people misplayed due to not being conservative. All of the matches I have won, would be won by the opponent if played conservative. Even a mirror match lol.
 
The format is too diverse for a clear BDIF.

It certainly wouldn't be Durant anyway. Too many unfavourable match ups* against popular decks.







*Note: I said 'unfavourable', not 'unwinnable'
 
Tagrineth said:
...Just have to learn to play conservatively, people! Get one Chandy out and drop the 3 counters every turn, never play another card after that, don't even drop a Beach or anything. Let your hand grow, then N it back into your deck...
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I don't think so; look at the math. If you are dropping 3 counters every turn starting with turn 2, the 6th Durant will not be knocked out until your 15th turn. Meanwhile, if your opponent is milling 4 cards per turn, those 15 turns will discard 60 cards from your deck. You will need 6 cards for prize setup and at least 3 cards to make your Chandy, which will only leave a maximum 51 cards in your deck that need to be discarded. Unless the Durant player is very unlucky, he will win that race.
 
Durant is good I'll give you that, it has much potential, but definitely not BDIF. Let us reserve that for Mewtwo EX in February.
 
Pikabruce said:
I don't think so; look at the math. If you are dropping 3 counters every turn starting with turn 2, the 6th Durant will not be knocked out until your 15th turn. Meanwhile, if your opponent is milling 4 cards per turn, those 15 turns will discard 60 cards from your deck. You will need 6 cards for prize setup and at least 3 cards to make your Chandy, which will only leave a maximum 51 cards in your deck that need to be discarded. Unless the Durant player is very unlucky, he will win that race.
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The Durant player still has to get out 3 durants in one turn after you kill 3 with Cursed Shadow and N them.
 
Someone I know at Cites said that Durant seems like the new SableLock and can easily win if they have a lucky first turn or two. Personally I feel that it's not nearly as devistating as SableLock could be but I do get how they can seem similar that way.
 
Durant is far from BDIF, especially with all of the big basics in format. It can be good with the right tricks, but it won't be able to keep up with all of the new decks coming out in the upcoming sets.
 
Pikabruce said:
I don't think so; look at the math. If you are dropping 3 counters every turn starting with turn 2, the 6th Durant will not be knocked out until your 15th turn. Meanwhile, if your opponent is milling 4 cards per turn, those 15 turns will discard 60 cards from your deck. You will need 6 cards for prize setup and at least 3 cards to make your Chandy, which will only leave a maximum 51 cards in your deck that need to be discarded. Unless the Durant player is very unlucky, he will win that race.
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Well granted the Durant I played against did stall for a turn or two when it didn't have replacement Energy after a couple KOs, and as others have said, Ability KO -> N really hurts the Durant deck.

If you get out double Chandy like you're supposed to (god, my build was so bad...) then the math is ridiculously in Chandy's favour.
 
uuuufff said:
Is terrible in best of 3, so it will never be a truly good play for a tournament. I actually think Durant is pretty good in Swiss, it has alright match-ups, that Best of 3 is just a killer though.
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How is it terrible in best of three? It is virtually guaranteed to never go to time...
 
I Played 2 durants at one of my CC. I was playing V3. The first one was in round 1 and the next was round 6 to battle it out for top cuts. I didnt have a problem with it at all. Once you learn how it plays and the best way to handle it durant doesnt stand a chance.
 
Assassin_Thief said:
I Played 2 durants at one of my CC. I was playing V3. The first one was in round 1 and the next was round 6 to battle it out for top cuts. I didnt have a problem with it at all. Once you learn how it plays and the best way to handle it durant doesnt stand a chance.
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Sorry Durrant eats V3 for breakfast. By the time you have your combo out I will have already milled a quarter of your deck.. You are doing maybe 10 damage on a heads flip if you are lucky and get double heads) And after 3-4 turns when you finally KO a Durrant I OHKO you back. I played this atchup once and my Opponent flipped double tails twice and basically scooped after that.

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Tagrineth said:
Well granted the Durant I played against did stall for a turn or two when it didn't have replacement Energy after a couple KOs, and as others have said, Ability KO -> N really hurts the Durant deck.

If you get out double Chandy like you're supposed to (god, my build was so bad...) then the math is ridiculously in Chandy's favour.
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How would N hurt the Durrant player?
 
BDIF, unlikely. A very fun one with a quirky and almost never seen win condition that's competitive? Yes.

Dunno how long it'd last, but I really do like the mill concept that's almost never been around in the Pokemon TCG.
 
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