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The problem with Pidgeot

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hinkbert said:
This is also why you do what you can to accelerate other aspects of the game. For instance (this obviously wouldn't work with Pidgeot) but say someone was going to use Linoone's Seek Out, the next player may as well start with his or her turn, since what the other playing is doing at that moment won't have any effect on his opponent.
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That could work, but there are some people who would cheat if you do such things. I hope no one would, but it opens up room for people to use, say, Nidorina's fast evo, and search for a rare candy and a nidoqueen or something, whilst you're not looking, but drawing a card and thinking of your options. This would also work with Linoone and searching 3 cards. I think it's better to watch your opponent go though their whole turn, and not skip quickly through parts.

As for the pidgeot thing, it all depends on your situation. I agree however that more searching = more time used, but hey, searching is part of the game. Just cause there's a card that searches doesn't mean you should ban it.
 
Yeah, I do see many people that just start their turn when I SAR or something. They need to realize that their turn does not start until the attack I used is fully completed. Someone could get someone a warning or something if they were mean enough.

I do realize my mistake earlier in this thread. Recently, there has been unlimited tournaments in my area. A few people have asked me if Sneasel and Slowking were legal, because people told them they were banned. I told them that they were legal to use in a unlimited tournament. I guess I got the banning of modified and them not being banned from play altogether mixed up. They were banned from modified, but not from play altogether.
 
Venusaur said:
I hate when people do this, like they're in such a hurry to end the game. When I'm looking for the cards I'm seeking out for I have to look at what the opponent is doing also, and it gets annoying. Also using Seek Out could have an effect on your opponent. They could use Copycat.
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I usually put my hand on top of the deck, but don't draw until my opponent says it's my turn.






As far as Pidgeot goes, as a judge, I've seen games go faster since Pidgeot came out.
 
Well there is many things about Pidgeot that make it a powerful card
1. no retreat cost
2. Quick search
3. makes deck fast..
But with it being over used people are going to start complaining and everyone who is saying this is another Slowking inncodent is correct pretty much.
 
supertyranitar said:
But with it being over used people are going to start complaining and everyone who is saying this is another Slowking inncodent is correct pretty much.
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I have to disagree here. Slowking and Sneasel were banned(from modified) because too many people were basing decks around them and killing the variety of the format. You would have to be clinically insane to base a deck around Pidgeot. Yes, many people use it, but as a supporting Pokemon, not as the focus of the deck.
 
Well yeah that is true i kinda forgot that, but i mean Pidgeot is rlly overused and i mean who can blame people for using such a good poke.
 
Ok it is not that stupid to make a deck based around Pidgot like PokeMontoya made a Pidgot, Gorebyss, Wobbeffet (With Double Rainbows and Physcics to go around) He beat down alot of Gardy Decks and a couple electric decks to win First in a tournement a few weeks back. It depends on how you use it he just used it to grab DRE . However most people (Like me) just use it to set up and grab what we need
 
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Yah, if Quick Search was on a Basic or Stage 1, AND it's Pokemon had free retreat, then I'd say it should be banned.

Pidgeots only goes good in decks that use Rare Candy. At the Wheatridge-CO CC, my son played a D-Ty deck (with multiple ATM Rocks) that totally disrupted all the Rare Candy decks. If your deck relies on Pidgeot AND Rare Candy to work, you may have speed and search on your side, but watch out for devo disruption.

Banning Pidgeot because it slows down playing time isn't a good argument. (Let's ban other search cards too.)

Banning it because everybody uses it isn't a good argument either. (Let's ban Dunsparce too.)
 
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BTW, when I play and I know I'm going to play multiple search cards in a row (ie., Swoop then Celio), I ask my opponent if I can do so in order to reduce search-shuffling time.

The same can go for players who use Quick Search and search trainers. Help reduce the time by asking your opponent to let you do them at the same time.

Now, for players who are getting short on time and ahead on prizes, multiple searching could be used as a strategy to drag out the time. Depending on how this is done, it could be construed as stalling. You MUST take a reasonable amount of time when doing Quick Search. I've been known to give a few Stalling penalties for players who "watch the clock" and needlessly play time-consuming actions near the end of a match, especially if it's apparent that doing so is to their advantage.
 
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Blaziken98 said:
Ok it is not that stupid to make a deck based around Pidgot like PokeMontoya made a Pidgot, Gorebyss, Wobbeffet (With Double Rainbows and Physcics to go around) He beat down alot of Gardy Decks and a couple electric decks to win First in a tournement a few weeks back. It depends on how you use it he just used it to grab DRE . However most people (Like me) just use it to set up and grab what we need
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Based on the Pokes you listed in that post, the deck isnt based around Pidgeot, it's based around Gorebyss, which isn't that uncommon. Next.
 
I know. My point though is that Pidgeot is meant as a supporting Pokemon, not the focus of decks. Therefore, Pidgeot is in no danger of being banned or anything else.
 
I only have seen 2 people at my league use Pigeot. One is in a Blaziken deck, the other in a modified RAMBO. If its delaying the game its due to the player taking his time, heck, you can do the same with any card that lets you search your deck, Celios, Wally's, Lionnes Sniff out, and So on.
 
Bigpoppabeatdown said:
pidgeot is in there, but it only adds about 10 seconds........ 3 to get the card, and 7 to shuffle and cut.....
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I don't believe that a proper shuffle can be done in 7 seconds - with the emphasis on proper - and the cut takes at least 3. We are looking at 15 seconds minimum for the search-shuffle-cut sequence.

It is true that this is no different from trainers that search, but Pidgeot is used every turn. There are not enough search trainers in the present card pool to get anywhere close to that.
 
OMG get over it so Pidgot adds 15 Secounds to a turn BOO WHO CARES it is a great card and for just 15 extra secounds it sould be banned that is Retarted
 
DarkTwins - Thats why at the City Championship I Pokemon Reversal your Pidgeot as soon as you got it out and bam 100 Damage to ohko it. ;-)

Mozart - I am familiar with both of your decks as I also played in the same City Championship. I think alot of the time yes it was searching but look at the cards that were searched for Mr. Briney's Compassion and other healing. That in turn made the games last longer and prevented the opponent in taking prizes.

I think that once it becomes an issue at a major event with POP staff there judging ie: Nationals or Worlds they may consider it, otherwise penalties will be handed out harshly for excesive use of stalling and shuffling with Pidgeot.
 
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