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Thoughts on Pokémon EX: Searching for the best method of leaving behind the EX era.

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Duel Masters got cancelled in every country outside of Japan back in the mid 2000s. Kaijudo is a remake of Duel Masters for America (currently, its planning to go worldwide soon), its a game thats using the same game play and similar monsters, but being completely redone to be more balanced and desired. Duel Masters didnt succeed outside of Japan since the anime was a parody outside of there and it came out when YGO dominated the TCG world so it died out and its now being brought back.

Realistically, the BW format is just Gen 1 with EX's and power creep. Like mentioned before, too many cards parallel Gen 1 that are in Gen 5. Its really just different names with the similar effects that are even better than back then (just as an example, Blastoise, its completely better than the Base Set version, same effect but better, better attack, better hp). If I wanted to play Gen 1 I would just play Pokemon TCG for GB lol.

FYI, a Blastoise like that has been printed in several formats, so that's not the best example you could pick, just saying.

And people are going to like whatever you throw infront of them with the Pokemon label. That doesn't make it good since we all know what an impact Pokemon has on people. The fact that even the video games are all the same exact thing over the years but are still it being the most dominant video game on handhelds just shows that you can just keep doing the same exact thing and people will buy it. I think that same logic can be applied to the TCG as well. Sadly for anyone who can have some self control and see something for what it is, they arent going to buy it if its not quality.

I'm sorry you have such a poor opinion of other people's judgement, but even if that were the case (which I highly disagree with you on, people like Pokemon because it's a unique franchise IMO) so what? If people are going to keep playing/buying then why should they care about improving the game just because it was Pokemon then these 'poor decisions' wouldn't matter anyway. (Again I do no support such a view)

Even though I am a Pokemon fan, if TPCi gives us more garbage in the XY era, Im not giving them my money. We just have to hope they learn from their mistakes of this era and make a better game.

If that's how you feel, that's fine, I'll disagree, and that'll be that.
 
Well, pokmon is unique because it gives people option but lately pokemon has been taking away options from people. Its a bad business move to make a market on new players once you been in the game for over 10 years. Pokemon has fan from the very beginning to now but they are saying screw the older fans. The only saving grace of this format for me are vaporeon and the legendary birds. 4 pokemon I like out of 1000 cards. If not for them, I would have stopped playing a while ago.

Their new focus on pokemon is just pikachu, eeveelutions and next gen pokemon. All this does kill off any older fans of the series and if xy continues this trend, it may be my last year as a fan of pokemon and thats saying a lot because ive been with the series since the very beginning. Black and white is by far the worst experience I've had with pokemon. I know most of you here only care about the tcg, winning tournaments, money and ultra rare card so you all could care less about the series but for someone like me, pokemon means a lot more to me then that. I have a very deep love for the series and the way they handled the series has been horrible. I do hope xy can fix things but im not holding my breath.
 
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I actually have been dabbling with Kaijudo myself, and tried to get into Duel Masters when it first came out but it never caught on locally and I just didn't have the budget at the time to pursue it. Kaijudo is Duel Masters, as far as I can tell, barring some minor tweaks no more radical than what has happened within Pokémon over the years. There is maybe one core rule that has changed (though perhaps I just never understood it correctly in the first place), and the black color cards are now purple (probably for the usual PC reasons).

It is like if the Pokémon TCG had failed outside of Japan and was canceled after Gym Challenge, but TPCi/Creatures Inc./etc. had tried again starting with the BW-era sets... with a few changes that meant Base-through-Gym cards weren't legal in the "new" Pokémon TCG.

As for actual gameplay, Kaijudo/Duel Masters is "PokéMagic"; take Magic: The Gathering and tweak it for faster-but-simpler play, then add in Evolutions plus a little more of a Japanese flavor to the game.
 
You mention evolution in Kaijudo.

Would evolutions in Pokemon be more viable in a competitive scene if there was no wait needed to evolve?

Oh, and Kaijudo rules.
 
You mention evolution in Kaijudo.

Would evolutions in Pokemon be more viable in a competitive scene if there was no wait needed to evolve?

Oh, and Kaijudo rules.

Evolutions generally would be more viable. After all, they lose a limitation. But it's not a working solution for various reasons. For one, it would break some current cards, you'd get some pretty mean T1 plays with Blastoise, or you can set up a lock before your opponent's first turn.

But most importantly, removing wait time for evolution would drastically lower the level of depth of the evolution mechanic. It's only logical that the player who is aiming at using higher tier cards has to deal with a period of lower efficiency... Oh sorry, this format already has EX and non-EX big basics that destroyed that rule of Pokémon's balance long ago.

Stage 2 and stage 1 aren't used because they aren't strong enough to give you an upper hand, even if they survive the period of risk and low effect attacks, they don't outlast EX so they can't turn the game around. Many EX and non-EX basics are so strong that even if you evolve against them, you still don't have any chances against them and their support.

The exceptions to this rule are Abilities that give an advantage that is even stronger than overriding evolution restrictions: getting to attach more than one energy each turn, moving energy around (+max potion or similar) or immunity. Those make up for the turns you weren't able to deal as much damage.. And special case is Garbodor which takes away those advantages. But even those are complemented by huge basic Pokémon.

Also, the game is already so fast you can barely distinguish different phases of the game from one another, so boosting evolution speed would be a step into the wrong direction in my opinion. We don't need a Rare Candy un-nerf, we need better evolved Pokémon and evolution support, anti-basic support or anti-EX support, in short, cards that are strong enough to be worth using even if they are slower. And these slow, powerful cards are to be carefully tested so that they really are held back by being slow proportionally to their potential, creating a more diverse playing experience with multiple timing windows for different strategies, and using different cards for these on top of that if the card pool is big enough.

Then again, there are a lot of evolved Pokémon that wouldn't be competitive even if they were Basic Pokémon. There's this inexplicably huge gap between playable and filler that the designers are keeping up for whatever reason, the lack of playable cards has nothing to do with evolution speed itself.
 
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FYI, a Blastoise like that has been printed in several formats, so that's not the best example you could pick, just saying.



I'm sorry you have such a poor opinion of other people's judgement, but even if that were the case (which I highly disagree with you on, people like Pokemon because it's a unique franchise IMO) so what? If people are going to keep playing/buying then why should they care about improving the game just because it was Pokemon then these 'poor decisions' wouldn't matter anyway. (Again I do no support such a view)



If that's how you feel, that's fine, I'll disagree, and that'll be that.

Blastoise has been reprinted over formats but to make a complete parallel from the broken Base Set version imo is borderline insulting. Rain Dance was incredibly dominant at its time, why relive that? To bring it back even better (now you can attach Water to ANY Pokemon instead of just Water ones) makes no sense. You would think they would have learned from the past to maybe make it to where they have to put damage counters on their Pokemon or discard a card or some drawback, but nope, same exact thing.

And as others are saying, the big deal is options. The Pokemon TCG doesnt give you many options now a days. Right now all you can run really are legendarys and only half the types of the game are usable on their own. Most competitive decks consist of 2 Pokemon, I thought in the video games you used at least 6?

Not to mention again how bad the booster packs get. Why are the rares as bad as some of the commons (sometimes I mistake them since they are so bad)? Why are even some of the holos as bad as the commons? Why are even some of the EX's as bad as the commons LOL? You have to remember this game isnt free and people arent going to spend money on things that dont get them even close to what they want.

Pokemon isnt the only TCG around anymore. Times have changed. They dont "have" to change their product because you have fanboys that will stick by it no matter what. However, if they care about their rep, they will make sure to make it better.
 
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You mention evolution in Kaijudo.

Would evolutions in Pokemon be more viable in a competitive scene if there was no wait needed to evolve?

Oh, and Kaijudo rules.

Kaijudo also has a mana resource system that applies to all cards; with the current card pool, I don't think you can get a T1 Evolution. I don't know Kaijudo very well (I basically just play the online game). I mean, that tells you how little I truly know about the card pool. :lol: So from what I've seen, the least expensive Evolution card requires 3 Mana, though there is a compatible 1 mana creature for it to Evolve from... that still means without acceleration it couldn't hit the field until turn 4!

Another difference of the Kaijudo mechanic is that unless otherwise specified, you only need to match a Creatures "Kind" to Evolve from it; Cyber Lord Evolves from Cyber Lord. I don't know if exceptions even exist, I am just allowing for them because as far as I can tell, the game mechanics allow for them. So if I have a Cyber Lord Evolution I want to play, all other Cyber Lords are possible candidates to Evolve from, making it likely I can find some Cyber Lord with an effect I'd want in my deck anyway.

So allowing same-turn-Evolution probably wouldn't help us; while it has never been a core rule of the game we've had Broken Time-Space and we've had Rare Candy without the nerfing... and they hurt almost as much as they helped. The best help we can get at the moment, I believe, is making sure that what is being Evolved is useful. That actually is something I've seen in Kaijudo, though again it may be because I am basically playing in "Starter deck land". :lol: Continuing with the Cyber Lord example, there are "meh" stat/effect but minimum cost Cyber Lords to pick, great stat/effect but expensive options, and those that fall in between. Be nice if I had that kind of choice when selecting a Charmander.
 
@Otaku
Thanks for the clearer explanation.

Blastoise has been reprinted over formats but to make a complete parallel from the broken Base Set version imo is borderline insulting. Rain Dance was incredibly dominant at its time, why relive that? To bring it back even better (now you can attach Water to ANY Pokemon instead of just Water ones) makes no sense. You would think they would have learned from the past to maybe make it to where they have to put damage counters on their Pokemon or discard a card or some drawback, but nope, same exact thing.

Blastoise is not broken, it has good synergy with cards in format, but it isn't broken. There have been cases when Blastoise and Blastoise clones were printed, but saw little to no play (Feraligatr Prime being a...prime example -_-, and also Emboar who does almost the same thing has seen little play) Plus last time I checked Stage 2s got nerfed, so giving them a better edge actually makes sense.

And as others are saying, the big deal is options. The Pokemon TCG doesnt give you many options now a days. Right now all you can run really are legendarys and only half the types of the game are usable on their own. Most competitive decks consist of 2 Pokemon, I thought in the video games you used at least 6?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there are more options, people just don't bother using them. As for Legendaries taking the lime light, so what? LvXs, Primes, and older exs were overcentralizing in the past, and most people didn't complain then, what makes the new EXs so different in that regard, SRs are powerful and centralizing because they're intended to be. Also no most decks do not consist of only 2 Pokemon, speed decks do, but they aren't the only decks in format.

Not to mention again how bad the booster packs get. Why are the rares as bad as some of the commons (sometimes I mistake them since they are so bad)? Why are even some of the holos as bad as the commons? Why are even some of the EX's as bad as the commons LOL? You have to remember this game isnt free and people arent going to spend money on things that dont get them even close to what they want.

I have to disagree with you again here, sure a fair amount of rares aren't goo and they haven't been since at least e-series, but a number of these 'bad cards,' actually aren't all that bad, you just have to get them to work. Additionally many cards have a variety of purposes from novelty to playibility, and judging them all strictly on playibility alone is missing the point of some of their creation. For the record you're talking to someone who lives solely off of about half a box a set, and yet manages to maintain a small collection as well.

Pokemon isnt the only TCG around anymore. Times have changed. They dont "have" to change their product because you have fanboys that will stick by it no matter what. However, if they care about their rep, they will make sure to make it better.

Pokemon was never the first or only TCG, ever. MTG has been around longer, and Yu-gi-oh almost as long. Furthermore it has had an enduring fanbase, which apparently you believe are all fanboys (trust me they aren't, I've met a lot of people and many of them have stuck around for a variety of reasons, and they don't get hung up on the flaws of a single format) The game has actually grown significantly since I started, and it continues to do so, so there's obviously a disconnect with you and the game's actual position.
 
Kaijudo also has a mana resource system that applies to all cards; with the current card pool, I don't think you can get a T1 Evolution. I don't know Kaijudo very well (I basically just play the online game). I mean, that tells you how little I truly know about the card pool. :lol: So from what I've seen, the least expensive Evolution card requires 3 Mana, though there is a compatible 1 mana creature for it to Evolve from... that still means without acceleration it couldn't hit the field until turn 4!

Another difference of the Kaijudo mechanic is that unless otherwise specified, you only need to match a Creatures "Kind" to Evolve from it; Cyber Lord Evolves from Cyber Lord. I don't know if exceptions even exist, I am just allowing for them because as far as I can tell, the game mechanics allow for them. So if I have a Cyber Lord Evolution I want to play, all other Cyber Lords are possible candidates to Evolve from, making it likely I can find some Cyber Lord with an effect I'd want in my deck anyway.

So allowing same-turn-Evolution probably wouldn't help us; while it has never been a core rule of the game we've had Broken Time-Space and we've had Rare Candy without the nerfing... and they hurt almost as much as they helped. The best help we can get at the moment, I believe, is making sure that what is being Evolved is useful. That actually is something I've seen in Kaijudo, though again it may be because I am basically playing in "Starter deck land". :lol: Continuing with the Cyber Lord example, there are "meh" stat/effect but minimum cost Cyber Lords to pick, great stat/effect but expensive options, and those that fall in between. Be nice if I had that kind of choice when selecting a Charmander.

Evolutions in Kaijudo arent really that powerful but some are useful. The reason is that you need a creature to be out from the previous turn and most of their effects arent majorly game breaking. The game only has a little less than 300 cards, so a lot of the current cards it has arent overpowered in any way (thankfully).

In Pokemon the evolution system is a lot different since the game is played a lot differently. Evolution is a big part of Pokemon while in Kaijudo its kind a side mechanic. Like when people think of Pokemon, the 1st thing that comes to their mind is that they evolve.

It would make more sense in Pokemon (like in Kaijudo) if there were cards that built up to a Pokemons evolution. The evolutions that are good in Kaijudo all evolve from creatures that help them evolve. In Pokemon unless you have a Rare candy or a Broken Time Space, evolving is difficult since it requires lots of resources and unless your getting resources easily, then many evolutions go unplayed.



@Otaku
Thanks for the clearer explanation.



Blastoise is not broken, it has good synergy with cards in format, but it isn't broken. There have been cases when Blastoise and Blastoise clones were printed, but saw little to no play (Feraligatr Prime being a...prime example -_-, and also Emboar who does almost the same thing has seen little play) Plus last time I checked Stage 2s got nerfed, so giving them a better edge actually makes sense.



I've said it before and I'll say it again, there are more options, people just don't bother using them. As for Legendaries taking the lime light, so what? LvXs, Primes, and older exs were overcentralizing in the past, and most people didn't complain then, what makes the new EXs so different in that regard, SRs are powerful and centralizing because they're intended to be. Also no most decks do not consist of only 2 Pokemon, speed decks do, but they aren't the only decks in format.



I have to disagree with you again here, sure a fair amount of rares aren't goo and they haven't been since at least e-series, but a number of these 'bad cards,' actually aren't all that bad, you just have to get them to work. Additionally many cards have a variety of purposes from novelty to playibility, and judging them all strictly on playibility alone is missing the point of some of their creation. For the record you're talking to someone who lives solely off of about half a box a set, and yet manages to maintain a small collection as well.



Pokemon was never the first or only TCG, ever. MTG has been around longer, and Yu-gi-oh almost as long. Furthermore it has had an enduring fanbase, which apparently you believe are all fanboys (trust me they aren't, I've met a lot of people and many of them have stuck around for a variety of reasons, and they don't get hung up on the flaws of a single format) The game has actually grown significantly since I started, and it continues to do so, so there's obviously a disconnect with you and the game's actual position.

EX's are all legendary with massive amounts of HP that's higher than regular evolutions SP's were all different types of Pokemon and same with Primes and the older EX's. Thats kinda obvious how different EX's are compared to the older chase cards.

People dont use the other options because they flat up arent good. I'm not sure if we are speaking on the same terms here, but most of us here are referring to competitive play. Theoretically you could play "anything" but in card games the main objective to win and if you want to win the game, you want to run something that has the ability to beat the opponent consistently. Currently there isnt many options to how you can do that.

I do have a disconnect with the game since things are about to head south with the format, especially with us going into Plasma Freeze. It was bad enough we got HTL to make things faster for generic decks, but now we are going to get Haymaker 2.0 (team plasma.dek), which if you thought Lando poking you every turn made it hard to run things, well try having to deal with the minimum 1st turn damage output now being anywhere from 50-100 with almost no effort.
 
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Excalibar: I've played this game since it came out in the U.S., though there have been times when I've had to take a break from it. I don't have any noteworthy competitive play accomplishments, and tend to enjoy teaching the game and studying it as much as playing. I've done a decent chunk to promote the game. Not as much as many others, but I've done at least a little. I've invested a lot of time over the past 14 years, and I also know that given time, the game changes. I also have seen the game change, seemingly in response to what currently ails it.

In most businesses, while they can't or won't go to extreme lengths for an individual customer, they do pay attention to what people do and don't like. Right now, the game plays like a better version of how it functioned in its earliest days... a matter of regression, as those in charge of the game worked very hard to move away from such a state. For years, the designers did seem to listen to customer complaints.

By the logic that we should remain silent because there is something wrong with every format... should you have bothered posting? There will always be players dissatisfied with the direction of the game. If it is "wrong" for them to express their dissatisfaction because the game will never be perfect, then how is it "right" for you to express dissatisfaction with such people when again, there will always be people complaining?

Second, while there will indeed never be a "perfect" format, the concept that when something is "wrong" you just ignore it completely is questionable at best. Some of the worst things in the world happened because people said "well, nothing I can really do about it as an individual". Thankfully, this is just a family friendly card game, so the consequences aren't as severe as something more serious, though we are talking about people's livelihood here. Pretty sure that Creatures, Inc. wants as many customers as possible, so long as those customers generate a profit... even slightly demanding ones.

There are two things that dissatisfied customers can do. They can stop using/buying a product, and they can voice to their complaints. If they are unjustified, yes it is annoying for everyone else to deal with the backlash. If they are justified, then at least others are made aware of the problems, even if nothing else gets done. That is the worst case. The best case is the problems get "fixed".

To be clear, balance issues in the game have been fixed in the past. Again, it was never perfect, but a lot of unpleasant aspects of the game were at least downplayed or temporarily solved/averted in past formats. Plus, after 14 years, there are some things that have been wrong the whole time; I've given Creatures, Inc. time to solve these things, and because the overall experience was still positive, I haven't let... yet. I am satisfied when I can tell progress is being made, or at least can tell that reasonable attempts at progress are being made.

tl;dr: You are complaining about people complaining about something that will never change... when people complaining will also never change. When a company needs feedback to improve its product... you elevate your feedback over that of others. You may not wish to sound like a jerk, but you are coming across as one. As someone who regularly comes across as a jerk, unfortunately I have pretty good experience in this matter.


To start, I apologize to you and everyone else if I came across as annoyed with this thread or the opinions voiced on it. Let me tell you now that I am not. All I was attempting to do was give a little perspective in that people have certain issues with every format. My intent wasn't to bash or dis anyone. In truth, I was just trying to help. I firmly believe that you should voice your opinions, and that every voice is important. But again, all I was trying to do was grant some perspective. I apologize if I came across as rude; it was not my intent.
 
To start, I apologize to you and everyone else if I came across as annoyed with this thread or the opinions voiced on it. Let me tell you now that I am not. All I was attempting to do was give a little perspective in that people have certain issues with every format. My intent wasn't to bash or dis anyone. In truth, I was just trying to help. I firmly believe that you should voice your opinions, and that every voice is important. But again, all I was trying to do was grant some perspective. I apologize if I came across as rude; it was not my intent.

Apology accepted. With your apology handling what was concerning me about your post, it can now serve its true purpose (well, at least for me :rolleyes:) to remind me that one must be very, very careful about discussing what they dislike about something, lest it come across as thoughtless complaining and whining.
 
This is the first time I've looked at this article and I must say that, Aisor is the biggest critic on the format. There is absoulutely no point in the title as no matter what he cares about, Pokemon WON'T listen and for all we know, the X & Y TCG could continue on the Exs ( god yeah!!!). I've seen thousands of these messed up articles on other various sites, including Serebii, PokeBeach, Marriland, etc. I bet these same people, near the end of the next format will complain about how crappy the format was and will eventually call this format good. The thing is that these people don't reconise a format is good until the end of the next where they complain about that one instead. Remember the older ex format? Everyone called that the worse until the met the DP format where LuxChomp ruled over the format. When calling a format bad, how about you at least try to relate with the other people you like the format. Only then can you have the right to judge whether a format is bad or not. Well, that was me explaining why these posts are completely stupid as most of you haven't taken the time to ask the people who like the format, what they like about it. Next time, how about you guys do proper research into the format before you go on screeching about how bad the format is.
 
This is the first time I've looked at this article and I must say that, Aisor is the biggest critic on the format.

Nope. Frankly I bet I am a bigger critic; I just haven't yet written a satisfactory article detailing my points. Even ignoring my opinion of myself, only the specifics of his view really set him apart from others.

There is absoulutely no point in the title as no matter what he cares about, Pokemon WON'T listen and for all we know, the X & Y TCG could continue on the Exs ( god yeah!!!).

You make a statement and then fail to support the "logic" behind it. Claiming there is absolutely no point in something means there isn't any point at all. Instead, you hold up one narrow example of something unlikely (but not impossible) happening.

1) Pokémon is a commercial venture; while unlikely there is a chance the views expressed on this board (including Aisor's) will be considered.

2) Aisor seems more concerned with drawing the attention of the online player base to his concerns; those behind Pokémon are less likely to ignore many than they are a single player.

3) While the EX mechanic may continue on with X & Y, in the context of the article (and thus the title), it was the nature of this format, referred to by the author as the "EX era", that was the chief concern. I quickly skimmed through the original post (having read it twice before) and did not see a call for the elimination of the EX mechanic, but of concerns about how it was implemented.

I've seen thousands of these messed up articles on other various sites, including Serebii, PokeBeach, Marriland, etc.

Exaggeration is not a good tool for arguing a point. Even if one accepts a bit of hyperbole as being a good technique, your execution undermines your earlier point; if "thousands" of these kinds of articles then I am quite certain those behind the Pokémon game would be paying a lot of attention; it may be easier to write such things than ever before, but people do read such articles and if each article convinced only one other person that the author was right, those "thousands" double (assuming different authors for each article).

Despite it being a lot easier to get such articles published to a website (or even posted on your own blog), businesses have long lived and died by word-of-mouth. The more you complain about how common these articles are, the more credibility you give them. Note that neither being the majority nor the minority prove or disprove an argument.

As for being "messed up", being vague does little good. If that is your conclusion, state it as such; otherwise it sounds like instead of a legitimate argument, you are merely mocking the other side (which usually indicates one has no relevant arguments).

I bet these same people, near the end of the next format will complain about how crappy the format was and will eventually call this format good.

A format being "good" or "enjoyable" does not make the format perfect. You are implying hypocrisy but not actually demonstrating it. Even the best formats I believe were the best had problems, and I tried to address them at the time. That is just how problems get fixed, while ignoring those problems has shown a pattern of making formats less enjoyable than they could have been.

"Good" is relative; if the next format is less enjoyable than the last, yes players may lament the former format's passing and refer to is as "good". It is akin to referring to an object as "warm"; a "warm" soda is a lot cooler than a "warm" muffin! So while it is good to recognize a format's actual strengths, it is not being double-minded to point out a format's flaws when one even if one is otherwise enjoying it, or to recognize a format as being better than what is currently available.

The thing is that these people don't reconise a format is good until the end of the next where they complain about that one instead.

You need to explain why this is relevant. You say this like it is a bad thing, but guess what? You need experience to appreciate a format, and sometimes you simply cannot know how good a format was until it passed. This isn't arithmetic; you can't easily do the math and know that 1+1=2 or that 2+2=/=5. When this game first released, players thought almost every fully Evolved Pokémon could be competitive. After a while, the knowledge that only two decks really were tournament viable at the time spread, but many people who played the game now still don't realize that!


Remember the older ex format? Everyone called that the worse until the met the DP format where LuxChomp ruled over the format.

This is incorrect, and it seems quite dubious you legitimately did not know that your statement was factually incorrect. I remember this format because it happened when I was most involved in the game! Information dissemination wasn't at its current level, but it not only existed but was just a less refined version of what we have now.

My personal testimony is that most players believed the Pokémon-ex focused formats of E-On (2003-2004), RS-On (2004-2005), HL-On (2005-2006), and DX-On (2006-2007) were the best this game had ever experienced even while they were still happening. It was a very optimistic time as the game's overall quality seemed to be staying steady or gradually improving. Few people were pining for the days where Unlimited was the Standard Format (1999-2001) or Rocket-On (2001-2002) or Neon (2002-2003).

What is more, it was a very specific period of the DP-On format where players grew frustrated; Garchomp [C] LV.X released as part of DP: Supreme Victors. While part of the DP era of sets, that era spanned from the release of that era's "base set" (Diamond and Pearl, street legal May 23, 2007) through the release of DP: Arceus (street legal November 4th, 2009). That is over a two-and-a-half year period, and DP: Supreme Victors didn't even become street legal until its official release August 10th, 2009. You're telling me Garchomp [C] LV.X was a problem two years before it even released?

Ah, maybe you mean the other Garchomp released during this time period. They were Stage 2 Pokémon, and while they may have been mighty, they were Stage 2 Pokémon. Sorry to be redundant, but even when I didn't like a particular deck dominating (and that happens during every format, but usually not for the whole format), was one of these other Garchomp the only deck to dominate that whole time? I seem to remember complaints about how strong Gallade (DP: Secret Wonders 6/132) was during this time.

When calling a format bad, how about you at least try to relate with the other people you like the format. Only then can you have the right to judge whether a format is bad or not.

This doesn't make any sense; I mean the wording doesn't create something I can understand. I know you were addressing Aisor, but given that you made blanket statements about all critics and this is a discussion on an open forum and not a PM, I am part of it. Are you asking that Aisor "try to relate to other people who like the format", or ask that Aisor "try to explain to the other people what he* likes about the format"?

These are actually good things for anyone to do when trying to explain something. However, it has nothing to do with someone's "right" to judge whether a format is good, bad, or something in between. "Rights" are inherent (hence the term), so either it isn't a right but a privilege or Aisor has that right regardless. I recognize someone's freedom of speech, so Aisor has the right to state his opinion. He doesn't own the Pokégym, but as long as he follows the rules, if they are being internally consistent he maintains the privilege of voicing his own analysis and opinions here.

He has the right to judge; he just may not be right in how he judges.

Well, that was me explaining why these posts are completely stupid as most of you haven't taken the time to ask the people who like the format, what they like about it. Next time, how about you guys do proper research into the format before you go on screeching about how bad the format is.

You realize that you don't seem to have done proper research, and your posts, while much shorter than mine usually aren't easy reading either. You've gotten plenty of facts wrong in various posts, and to be to the point telling people to shut up about something they don't like just because you don't like what they are saying is hypocritical and historically has lead to much evil.

tl;dr: rcxd999, many people don't like what I say on message boards. That is their right. If you don't like what someone is saying, you are free to post a rebuttal, but make sure you are being logically consistent and strive to give correct information. Many will read what I wrote and dismiss it as a mere "rant", but if they do I am merely in your good company. :wink:

*Not sure if Aisor is male or female; I chose to go with the male/neutral "he" pronouns, not that many consider that PC.
 
This is the first time I've looked at this article and I must say that, Aisor is the biggest critic on the format. There is absoulutely no point in the title as no matter what he cares about, Pokemon WON'T listen and for all we know, the X & Y TCG could continue on the Exs ( god yeah!!!). I've seen thousands of these messed up articles on other various sites, including Serebii, PokeBeach, Marriland, etc. I bet these same people, near the end of the next format will complain about how crappy the format was and will eventually call this format good. The thing is that these people don't reconise a format is good until the end of the next where they complain about that one instead. Remember the older ex format? Everyone called that the worse until the met the DP format where LuxChomp ruled over the format. When calling a format bad, how about you at least try to relate with the other people you like the format. Only then can you have the right to judge whether a format is bad or not. Well, that was me explaining why these posts are completely stupid as most of you haven't taken the time to ask the people who like the format, what they like about it. Next time, how about you guys do proper research into the format before you go on screeching about how bad the format is.

You have no authority to call anyone's posts stupid when no offense but everything you post on this message board is questionable. You do realize that nobody likes most of the things that you post since they are either or wrong or just get people mad, right? Im just wondering since at this point your still being oblivious to the fact that everything you post has no weight what so ever and I feel that you still believe that you are unaware of how awkward you come off all the time.
 
You have no authority to call anyone's posts stupid when no offense but everything you post on this message board is questionable. You do realize that nobody likes most of the things that you post since they are either or wrong or just get people mad, right? Im just wondering since at this point your still being oblivious to the fact that everything you post has no weight what so ever and I feel that you still believe that you are unaware of how awkward you come off all the time.

Dude...not cool. You may think that his opinions are unsubstantiated (I make no comment on their actual substance), but that doesn't give you the right to insult him like that. Instead of hammering him by saying 'nobody likes him,' you could...I don't know try to kindly explain your disagreements while drawing attention to it. There is no reason to insult anyone in such a manner especially when this ENTIRE thread is about opinions.
 
Dude...not cool. You may think that his opinions are unsubstantiated (I make no comment on their actual substance), but that doesn't give you the right to insult him like that. Instead of hammering him by saying 'nobody likes him,' you could...I don't know try to kindly explain your disagreements while drawing attention to it. There is no reason to insult anyone in such a manner especially when this ENTIRE thread is about opinions.

LOL are you new to rcxd's posts or something? Almost everyone of his posts on this forum that he makes ends up being some sort of insult or mindless bash to somebody along with a bunch of incorrect information (not even just a matter of opinion most of the time, the things he says are just flat out wrong).

Im just in the most polite way possible (which is very difficult in this case) trying to explain to him what he does wrong on a daily basis. Its not even being mean either, the guy just doesnt know how to make a comment without adding very unwelcoming adjectives. It wouldnt kill him to at least say "hey sorry, my bad. i messed up", it just seems like his posts are incredibly spiteful and mean spirited.

Seriously, nobody likes half of what he posts because his posts ends up calling someone stupid, mentally challenged, or all of the above (he said someone had brain damage for thinking rotation was a possibility).

Enough is enough, its immature, pathetic, and just needs to stop now. What kind of example is this site setting by allowing this? Im surprised nothing is ever done about this. Its fine if you have an opinion but you dont have to insult anyone in the process.
 
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LOL are you new to rcxd's posts or something? Almost everyone of his posts on this forum that he makes ends up being some sort of insult or mindless bash to somebody along with a bunch of incorrect information (not even just a matter of opinion most of the time, the things he says are just flat out wrong).

Im just in the most polite way possible (which is very difficult in this case) trying to explain to him what he does wrong on a daily basis. Its not even being mean either, the guy just doesnt know how to make a comment without adding very unwelcoming adjectives. It wouldnt kill him to at least say "hey sorry, my bad. i messed up", it just seems like his posts are incredibly spiteful and mean spirited.

Seriously, nobody likes half of what he posts because his posts ends up calling someone stupid, mentally challenged, or all of the above (he said someone had brain damage for thinking rotation was a possibility).

Enough is enough, its immature, pathetic, and just needs to stop now. What kind of example is this site setting by allowing this? Im surprised nothing is ever done about this. Its fine if you have an opinion but you dont have to insult anyone in the process.

If you have a problem with his behavior then call him out on it, reason with them. Don't go and say nobody likes them. Don't return insults with insults. I'm not going to defend his behavior, but you still don't go around and attacking people like that.
 
If you have a problem with his behavior then call him out on it, reason with them. Don't go and say nobody likes them. Don't return insults with insults. I'm not going to defend his behavior, but you still don't go around and attacking people like that.

I never insulted him. Most people dont like him which is a fact. Do you think most people like a person who says that people have brain damage for having an opinion? Or do you think that you would like someone who calls you stupid for having an opinion thats different than you? The guy has an elitists attitude, where he thinks hes better than everyone else. Im not sure in what world that kind of attitude is liked.

And you dont need to tell me how to speak to someone. You dont seem to understand the situation and are rushing to make a judgment.
 
No, lugia, you ARE being insulting and this is neither the time nor the place to be voicing your thoughts.

Take the high road, please.
 
I never insulted him. Most people dont like him which is a fact. Do you think most people like a person who says that people have brain damage for having an opinion? Or do you think that you would like someone who calls you stupid for having an opinion thats different than you?

Id appreciate it too if you dont tell me how to talk to someone especially when you dont have an idea of the situation.

Saying 'nobody likes you,' IS insulting, no matter how true you think it is. Also did you miss the part where I said I won't defend his behavior. Lastly I'm sorry if it's a tad of a sore spot when people say things like that.
 
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