Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Tier Decks (post states)

No way Vilegar is a tier 1 decks, all it does is loose. Once you Ko the first Gengar the deck cannot answer
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I won a city championships with vilegar. If your Gengar is KO you bring up another one you should have been building up on the bench or the Gengar goes back to your hand with rescue enegy and you play it down again with BTS.

So It doesnt always loose, it won more states than dialgachomp which everyone agrees is a tier 1 deck. Vilegar is undoubtedly a tier 1 deck.
 
So much vilegar hate! Someone said it loses to sablelock; not true. Between the two states I went to I was 4-1 against Sablelock, with the one loss being a donk. That match does take a good amount of skill though and they usually take 2-3 prizes while you set up. IMO:

Tier 1
VileGar
LuxChomp
Gyarados
Sablelock

Tier 1.5
Dialga (really overrated IMO)
Magnerock

Tier 2
Machamp
LostGar
Steelix
Arceus (I actually kind of like this deck)
Gigas

Tier 5 billion
uxie
 
Both Vilegar and Gyarados are tier one. Those of you who say it isn't haven't played against a good player/good list with it. I saw alot of average lists of both at States but I also saw a few good ones. And in the hands of a good player who knows the deck and the match ups, both are scary to be sitting across the table from.
 
@Son OF Apollo: Dialga isn't overrated it just has too many difficult matches that only a long series of games rather than single game or even match play would allow its inherent strength to sbecome apparent. It has no really easy matchups unlike the others in your Tier 1 list.
 
The Sablock/Dos match up is weird. You have to take into account donks and how well Sablock Controls the game (which can be hard if they get a Spirtomb start). Because the deck has a hard time dealing with even a single dos
 
Tier 1:

Dialgachomp
Luxchomp
Gyarados
Chenlock

Tier 1.5

Vilegar
Magnerock
Machamp varients
T-tar
Sablock

Tier 2

Mewperior
Steelix
Gigas
Scizor
Vilelostgar
Zard
 
Tier 1:

Dialgachomp
Luxchomp
Gyarados
Chenlock

Tier 1.5

Vilegar
Magnerock
Machamp varients
T-tar
Sablock

Tier 2

Mewperior
Steelix
Gigas
Scizor
Vilelostgar
Zard
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Why is everyone saying vilegar isn't a tier 1 deck. It won more states than dialgachomp which everybody seems to agree is a tier 1 deck. The results dont lie, vilegar is undoubtedly a tier 1 deck.
 
Jaeger said:
The Sablock/Dos match up is weird. You have to take into account donks and how well Sablock Controls the game (which can be hard if they get a Spirtomb start). Because the deck has a hard time dealing with even a single dos
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Spiritomb start in Gyara? Interesting. It can still discard Karps effectively and doesn't get in the way early game?
 
No just a typo, I meant Sabyle. I meant it hards to disrupt them when they can just Impersonate for a Supporter.
 
I agree with the original list with a few exceptions: Vilechamp should be tier 2 at best. I imagine that it would crush any form of sp, but that's about it. The deck really hasn't proven itself yet. Mewperior is also tier 2 at best. Also, I think lostgar should be tier one. Right after lostworld's release, several variations have done well at tournaments.
 
Politoed666 said:
Machamp has great matchups only against LuxChomp and DialgaChomp not running Toxitank. It autoloses to Gyarados, VileGar, Jumpluff, and Charizard, has no answer to Honchkrow, and is only average against pretty much anything else.
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Tier 1
LuxChomp - Great
DialgaChomp - Great
VileGar - Awful
Sablelock - Great

Tier 2
Magnerock - Favourable
LostVileGar - Awful
Gyarados - Poor, but winnable
Scizor - Good

Tier 3
Machamp
Steelix - Good
Regigigas - Great
MewPerior - Good
Jumpluff - Poor
Charizard - Poor
Arceus? - Auto-win

So basically 3/4 of the decks listed at 'Tier 1' in your list are near autowins and you still think Machamp is worse than Scizor and Magnerock? Toxicroak is annoying, but nothing more than a speed bump and Honchkrow is easy enough to take down (at least once, second time will take more effort). Then again, I'm talking about a speed build with proper techs to handle the meta, and for all I know you're talking about the Tomb variant.

Also, who plays Charizard these days? I've seen and heard of way more Arceus out there than Charizard, yet Arceus does not make the list.
 
I wouldn't say vilechamp is great against sablelock. Overconfident gets big prize advantage then krow cleans up. How is scizor good? Scizor can oneshot a machamp, and you have to use only fighting energy. IDK about mewperior being good, seeing as they OHKO machamps easily and dont rely on trainers much.
 
When you are trainer locked and getting OHKO'd, there is little way Sablock can recover.

Plus, if you are playing a good Champ they can run multiple Judges/Looker's, and increase damage with Zong G.
 
Mike130593 said:
Why is everyone saying vilegar isn't a tier 1 deck. It won more states than dialgachomp which everybody seems to agree is a tier 1 deck. The results dont lie, vilegar is undoubtedly a tier 1 deck.
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i am not a dialgachomp or vilegar player, but from my personal experience dialgachomp is the hardest deck to play of all T1/T1.5 decks. vilegar is a deck which is medium/hard to play so i think you see more vilegar than dialgachomps at states. that means you have more vilegar decks than dialgachomps-> chances are higher that vilegar wins a state than dialgachomp because there are more vilegar decks around. Besides vilegar is cheaper than dialgachomp.

tbh i dont like dialgachomp as well because i cant find a list that fits for me, but i see many good players running dialgachomp and they find a list which fits for them and win many games. however, vilegar decks arent popular in my area because of some reasons (time, recover etc). thats why vilegar is T1.5/2 for me.
 
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