Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

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Patriarch said:
-Magma: This deck is shaky vs the tier 1. IMO it can go 50/50 with blaze (maybe just barely less than 50), beat rocklock 55-60% of the time, but ahem...unless your opponent doesn't play scyther, you just outright lose to Dragonite. I would trust Magma in a high-class event, but not as much as another deck IMO.
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I'd have to agree with you on Magma vs. Blaze.

I'd have to agree with you, for the most part, on Rock-Lock.

But I do not agree with you on the Dragonite matchup. Magma has had, has, and will have a winning record against this deck. You must realize, Patriarch, that Rocket's Scyther ex gets massacred by Magma's Camerupt. Look at the prize trade-off. They take out my Magma's Groudon, I take out their Rocket's Scyther ex, they take out my Camerupt. It's 2-2, only now their only shot at my Magma's Groudon is gone. The next one can come in and clean house. If they have Pokemon Retriever, so what? Maxie Camerupt and Magma Switch a Rainbow from another Pokemon, attach normally, and Overheat. Switch for Camerupt. Two more prizes.

The matchup against Dragonite really boils down to who takes the first KO, because the prize trade-off is controlled, after the first few hits, by the Dragonite player. Conservative or beat-down with Rocket's Scyther ex? Weakness against weakness, resistance meets resistance. Magma has the type advantage, and usually the speed advantage. Magma does not outright lose to Dragonite, even if the opponent Techs Rocket's Scyther ex.

Quite the contrary, my dear Johnny. ;x
 
:eek: i didnt think the thread would get this many replies so quickly.

It is true that right now deck discussion is limited by the fact of emerald coming out before regionals. BUT it's also true that decks take a while to come from a new set. Like rock-lock, nobody payed attention to the possibilty because dark dragonite was everyones main focus. Same pattern with Deoxys... only 1 real deck made a splash at states.

IMO, rock lock will topple after emerald for very obvious reasons (frantic milo ex techs). Other than that, dark dragonite will likely stay as one of the top decks thru emerald. Who know what will arise out of emerald... only the main cards are somewhat known.

overall, i think discussing current TOP tier for regionals is fine with the knowledge that they will end up needing techs for regionals. :thumb:
 
Darkash said:
Vileplume EX vs. Dark Heart 45-55%
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I think you can do much better that that. I won the PA State with Vileplume EX and had to play my last 8 games against Dark Heart decks. The Vileplume + Mt Moon "lock" was so effective that I think I could have won without the two Crystal Shards (but they certainly made life easier).
 
SLOW DECK said:
Well, per What Won in the States

# of Wins / Deck / Ages (15+)-(11-15)-(10-)

16 Rock Lock 8-6-2
8 Dragonite 4-1-3
7 Blaze 3-2-2
5 red face paint's 0-1-4
3 Zapdos 0-2-1
3 Sally EX 1-0-2
2 Voodoo 1-1-0
2 Gardevoir 0-0-2

I don't want to say which deck is better, but what has won. It takes two things to win a state championship, a decent deck, and a great player. Don't let us forget that.
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MI States Rogue Crobat won - make that 6 rogue wins :p
 
Darkash said:
Delcatties and Rare Candies are a large part of that speed, and shutting them down with Moon and Plume goes a long way towards a win.
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Oh yeah, and we all know Blaziken decks still play Delcatty.

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Are yall slow the top tier decks are

tyranny/amphy That may be rocklock i dont know!!!!!!!!!!!
draggytrode
blastoise ex
sceptile/slowbro
blaze
 
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Ummm, dude, Blasty would be like Tier 2, only b/c it dmgs it self, dies to Rock Lock, and moon lock, so replace Blasty with something like Metattack. And SceptiBro would be on top of Blasty, Blaze would be in the middle.
 
SuperWooper said:
Oh yeah, and we all know Blaziken decks still play Delcatty.

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*Shrug* The few I saw at NJ and RI did. Figures that they would have died out, though, the main combo with them was Oracle. A good combo, though, was Smooth Over/Energy Drawe, which the decks I saw were making use of. Until I dropped Moon, that is.
 
SuperWooper said:
Quite the contrary, my dear Johnny. ;x
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Nahhh Woopah =P

Yes I know fully well that Magma's camerupt can issue insane mizage to a a rocket's scyther ex, but here's what happened with two games i playes a few days ago, drag vs magma:

game 1: both setup kinda decently, but I get out rocket's scyther ex and start doing some damage. It is then KO'ed by zangoose. The bench and energy resources have been depleted enough for zangoose to not be a threat, so I send up dragonite and KO camerupt with a mere 1 DM and 1 R energy attached. I keep on doing this until the sneasel or scyther can clean house and win for me GG

game 2: I start with lone scyther ex...but that isn't too bad. Magma goes first, attaches. Then it's draggy's turn, where all I do is play a TD'ed tini, do 20 with bounce. next turn it gets really bad when I KO his goose, and am once again able to pwn 'til camerupt comes out...which gets annihilated by draggy.
 
I wouldn't put Sceptile at Tier 1. Only Dark-based decks have trouble against it... anything that can EVER OHKO Sceptile ex pretty much auto-wins against that deck.

This includes anything Grass or Fire type that can do 70 (+10 Ruins) or straight up 80, or anything that includes Weezing... ^.~
 
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Granted, I'm just returning to the game... but Zapdos ex doesn't impress me at all. It's terribly easy to beat with almost anything as long as you can get a pidgeot out. The only games I've lost to Zapdos ex are games where I've started with one or two BAD basics as well as a weak draw. Any time you have a DECENT draw, you shouldn't lose to that deck. Well, maybe if you're deck isn't capable of koing it. But if you can't ko a Zapdos, odds are you won't be beating much else either.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.
 
Patriarch said:
Nahhh Woopah =P

Yes I know fully well that Magma's camerupt can issue insane mizage to a a rocket's scyther ex, but here's what happened with two games i playes a few days ago, drag vs magma:

game 1: both setup kinda decently, but I get out rocket's scyther ex and start doing some damage. It is then KO'ed by zangoose. The bench and energy resources have been depleted enough for zangoose to not be a threat, so I send up dragonite and KO camerupt with a mere 1 DM and 1 R energy attached. I keep on doing this until the sneasel or scyther can clean house and win for me GG

game 2: I start with lone scyther ex...but that isn't too bad. Magma goes first, attaches. Then it's draggy's turn, where all I do is play a TD'ed tini, do 20 with bounce. next turn it gets really bad when I KO his goose, and am once again able to pwn 'til camerupt comes out...which gets annihilated by draggy.
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Well, to add to this, R Scyther ex can switch with other pokemon i believe, so that makes it even better.
 
RaNd0m said:
Granted, I'm just returning to the game... but Zapdos ex doesn't impress me at all. It's terribly easy to beat with almost anything as long as you can get a pidgeot out. The only games I've lost to Zapdos ex are games where I've started with one or two BAD basics as well as a weak draw. Any time you have a DECENT draw, you shouldn't lose to that deck. Well, maybe if you're deck isn't capable of koing it. But if you can't ko a Zapdos, odds are you won't be beating much else either.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.
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Don't worry, you are absolutely correct.
 
Zapdos EX has the ability to not only punish you for a bad draw but beat you outright with a key reversal or 2. It's not something most top players consider for a major event, but its something everyone should fear. In a major event, it definitely ranks high in the "i hope i don't play vs this deck" category. Any sort of a non dunsparce start for draggy/rock lock/ blaze vs a turn 2 zappy is a huge disadvantage, and be honest, unless youre a luckbag, a dunsparce/energy start isn't something you can count on.
 
criminal wth, I HOPE I play zapdos at a tourney; it USUALLY signifies that the person using it isn't that big on actual GAME STRATEGY, which tells me that if I get them into a sticky situation tey misplay and lose.

OMG RAND0M YOU'RE BACK, <3333!!!!11!

Voodoo IS a random stage 1 deck. It ISN'T like other stage 1 decks. It IS good. It is NOT unbeatable. IMHO I THINK it's in the top tiers right now. I DID make it, and I AM accepting any appr challenges against it -- AIM me.

Fools who think RockLock is the best deck right now by far, arre, by far, the first word of this sentence.

And this format is very balanced; if anything good is out there, it loses to SOME big deck, usually two. Consistency > tech.
 
Hedgie said:
Fools who think RockLock is the best deck right now by far, arre, by far, the first word of this sentence.

And this format is very balanced; if anything good is out there, it loses to SOME big deck, usually two. Consistency > tech.
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hedgi e rock look dosent lose to any thing
every one thinks the format is balanced but it isnt rock lock only loses to bad draws or flips

you have atm rock to deal with breloom and every thing and the dakness ttar with 3 attacks kills plume ex one hit with dark dark scramble .
 
keebler said:
hedgi e rock look dosent lose to any thing
every one thinks the format is balanced but it isnt rock lock only loses to bad draws or flips

you have atm rock to deal with breloom and every thing and the dakness ttar with 3 attacks kills plume ex one hit with dark dark scramble .
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And then the second 'Plume comes up and screws you over. Oops. ;x

And thats not true. You overestimate Rock-Lock. Its far more fragile than you believe.
 
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