Tournament Management System User's Guide
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NoPoke
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It seems that TMS goes wrong the moment you go above the minimum number of swiss rounds.
Although it warns you that it cannot make optimal pairings for subsequent rounds. Even if you answer NO to the question about allowing duplicate pairings it ignores your response and makes lots of duplicate pairs.
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I was trying to enter a round robin tournament with 8 players that we ran last saturday. Yeuch
Although it warns you that it cannot make optimal pairings for subsequent rounds. Even if you answer NO to the question about allowing duplicate pairings it ignores your response and makes lots of duplicate pairs.
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I was trying to enter a round robin tournament with 8 players that we ran last saturday. Yeuch
DaytonGymLeader
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You are correct. We've also found another bug, when you try to modify a player's information while trying to do a late add, it immediately blows up.
As for the link not working, that was before the security on their site was ratcheted up. You must have access to the TO/Judging resources at op.pokemon-tcg.com.
As for the link not working, that was before the security on their site was ratcheted up. You must have access to the TO/Judging resources at op.pokemon-tcg.com.
DaytonGymLeader
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The TC folks are hosting the guide. We would need an answer from them or the site admins.
annisarich
New Member
To be added to the guide.
TMS doesnt like twins. Matching last names and birthdates seemed to make the software think there was a duplicate player or something. It searched and found the next birtdate and continued looking for data (IMHO). This resulted in 10- and 15= players getting paired up first round. TO called PUI and they said to work around this by Bumping the birthdate of one twin one day to avoid this in the future.
TMS doesnt like twins. Matching last names and birthdates seemed to make the software think there was a duplicate player or something. It searched and found the next birtdate and continued looking for data (IMHO). This resulted in 10- and 15= players getting paired up first round. TO called PUI and they said to work around this by Bumping the birthdate of one twin one day to avoid this in the future.
Dayton_Pokémom
New Member
At my Erlanger CC I had a set of twins and I didn't have problems with them. They both showed up in the correct age group.annisarich said:
annisarich
New Member
Please send me some of your TMS voo doo 
Rainbowgym
Active Member
I need an answer on this.
All Belgium CC's I played, almost all 10- were paired against 15+ while there were also 11-14 players.
Did they used TMS wrong, I don't have access anymore to TMS.
Example
9 15+
7 11-14
5 10-
4 x 2 15+ paired against each other
1 15+ against 1 11-14
3 x 2 11-14 against each other
2 x 2 10- against eacht other
bye at 10-
Is this how TMS works or isn't?????????
All Belgium CC's I played, almost all 10- were paired against 15+ while there were also 11-14 players.
Did they used TMS wrong, I don't have access anymore to TMS.
Example
9 15+
7 11-14
5 10-
4 x 2 15+ paired against each other
1 15+ against 1 11-14
3 x 2 11-14 against each other
2 x 2 10- against eacht other
bye at 10-
Is this how TMS works or isn't?????????
RainbowRichards
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Freddy K. said:
These don't work for you? -
http://compendium.pokegym.net/compendium/compendium_etc/tms_guide/tms_guide1.htm
http://compendium.pokegym.net/compendium/compendium_etc/tms_guide/tms_guide.pdf
http://compendium.pokegym.net/compendium/compendium_etc/tms_guide/Tournament_Manager16Guide.zip
Rainbowgym said:
Yes, that is how TMS (or manual pairing) works! :smile:
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Rainbowgym
Active Member
You wanna laugh.
We decided to get back as TO and try to set up a conversation with our distributor.
First step, I applied as TO.
The situation is bad for our players and we want to offer them at least something.
In 1 hour (yes 1 hour) my request was not approved.
Funny in a country were there is not a single Modified experienced TO, they reject the only one applying.
LOL
We decided to get back as TO and try to set up a conversation with our distributor.
First step, I applied as TO.
The situation is bad for our players and we want to offer them at least something.
In 1 hour (yes 1 hour) my request was not approved.
Funny in a country were there is not a single Modified experienced TO, they reject the only one applying.
LOL
meganium45
Active Member
OK. I'll give my REAL SIMPLE TMS 1.16 advice...
Don't use it.
It doesn't pair even according to PUI guidelines.
It doesn't handle byes correctly.
It likes to crash, and make you cry.
Anyone who is NOT running their tourney on match slips, at least as an immediate backup to their running the event on software, is REALLY not doing this right.
I will not be using software at ANY of my events until the advent of 2.0 or a correct fix of 1.16.
I have less than a five minute delay between rounds, all proper pairings and no worries.
Oh, and you can pair everyone else while waiting for a "sudden death" match to finish!! Yeah, it really works.
I may get flamed for this but....no problems with my system as of yet.
M45
Don't use it.
It doesn't pair even according to PUI guidelines.
It doesn't handle byes correctly.
It likes to crash, and make you cry.
Anyone who is NOT running their tourney on match slips, at least as an immediate backup to their running the event on software, is REALLY not doing this right.
I will not be using software at ANY of my events until the advent of 2.0 or a correct fix of 1.16.
I have less than a five minute delay between rounds, all proper pairings and no worries.
Oh, and you can pair everyone else while waiting for a "sudden death" match to finish!! Yeah, it really works.
I may get flamed for this but....no problems with my system as of yet.
M45
Rainbowgym
Active Member
Meg, I know how to pair manual, but most overseas unexperienced TO's don't.
WE always pair manual, but that's because we don't have access to TMS or any OP related thing anymore.
I only trying to find out were this thing went wrong. It isn't right as 8 years old to start each tournament against an adult.
When I return to my Pokemon apply as TO is gives a warning that the field STATE is required, but we have no states. I'm even not able to fill in anything there.
I suppose the rejection is because of that.
I know from the past that TMS can mess up things, but what I have seen those 3 CC's can't be only a bug in TMS.
WE always pair manual, but that's because we don't have access to TMS or any OP related thing anymore.
I only trying to find out were this thing went wrong. It isn't right as 8 years old to start each tournament against an adult.
When I return to my Pokemon apply as TO is gives a warning that the field STATE is required, but we have no states. I'm even not able to fill in anything there.
I suppose the rejection is because of that.
I know from the past that TMS can mess up things, but what I have seen those 3 CC's can't be only a bug in TMS.
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RainbowRichards
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meganium45 said:
That's right, they did release 1.16 *he he*
Signed - one who has downloaded 1.16 but still uses 1.15 without problems...
HEY, who put that signature down there!?!?!?!?
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Sorry, haven't been following this thread.DaytonGymLeader said:
What do you need?
A link updated?
We need to get an entire resourse area built on the Compendium tab. The site is a work in progress. 'snore's doing a great job so far!
But if we need to fix a link, let us know where it is and what it should be.
DaytonGymLeader
New Member
Actually, TMS is kinda funky as to how it pairs. Sometimes it will pair using the correct algorythm, sometimes it throws that out. We had an 11-14 player get a bye in the First Round of an event this past weekend when there was an uneven number of 10 & Under Players. Your example is dead on on how it should work though. What may have happened is that the event might not have been set up in TMS as Age Modified, but I can only speculate.
Vince, I agreee with you on several counts about TMS and have voiced such to PUI. Are you doing tiebreaker calcs for every round, or only when need be?
'Pop, I don't know if this is a discussion for PMs as it's directly related to site admin. there's currently no linkage on the new Compendium site to the guide, which is what some folks are looking for. However, it looks like Brian has dug up a workaround for the time being.
Vince, I agreee with you on several counts about TMS and have voiced such to PUI. Are you doing tiebreaker calcs for every round, or only when need be?
'Pop, I don't know if this is a discussion for PMs as it's directly related to site admin. there's currently no linkage on the new Compendium site to the guide, which is what some folks are looking for. However, it looks like Brian has dug up a workaround for the time being.
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Rainbowgym
Active Member
Just found out they used Swiss ise Age Swiss, that explains the weird pairings.
But still for those 10- kids there should be a kind of compensation.
I felt lauzy each tournament to start either a little 8 year old or my own sons (also 10-)
More adults didn't like it, but I asked if they used Age swiss and they said we are not playing separate agegroups because we don't have enough players.
So I thought if they dont play separate groups than it's Age swiss (at least that's how it should be).
Confusion , yes but it's a mistake which could have been avoided if the LD of that country had made a clear statement about which software to use and don't leave it all up to the organizers.
Well it's Europe everything is different there.
But still for those 10- kids there should be a kind of compensation.
I felt lauzy each tournament to start either a little 8 year old or my own sons (also 10-)
More adults didn't like it, but I asked if they used Age swiss and they said we are not playing separate agegroups because we don't have enough players.
So I thought if they dont play separate groups than it's Age swiss (at least that's how it should be).
Confusion , yes but it's a mistake which could have been avoided if the LD of that country had made a clear statement about which software to use and don't leave it all up to the organizers.
Well it's Europe everything is different there.
RainbowRichards
Active Member
DaytonGymLeader said:
**beams at the nice edit** :thumb:
Yeah, the 'old' compendium site is still live, and links still work there...
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