USA gets D/P, all others not! Or, next set is...?

[Mew]

What is scalling? I fail to translate the word and it seems to be important before I reply.

It's kind of like saying Reducing or Adding, depending on how it's used.

the rumors over here are that the distributors are unhappy about the staggered release and are significantly scalling back on pokemon orders in anticipation of the grey market sales.

I also hear that Nintendo are reaching for their lawyers locally and trying to get Customs to block all grey imports. I have no idea how customs will view this. I doubt that they see their role as being to prop up corporate decisions on staggered market release dates.

At the moment this is looking like a potential train wreck .... Trouble is I think that we've been here before

Here it means :

the distributors are unhappy about the staggered release and are significantly reducing pokemon orders in anticipation of the grey market sales.

Hope That helps.

OT: I really don't care one way or the other.

 

[Rainbowgym]

Mew thanks,

It makes me laugh, because why reduce orders? No need to do that.
We are told over and over again the players are not the ones buying the most product.
And with a (for non players) brand new set (Epic), there is no need to worry for distributors.
When/If Epic is released the avarage buyer will take those, and when D/P comes they will buy D/P.

The average non playing buyers in Europe will not even know there is a set called D/P.
So what are they afraid off? Those few die hard players/collectors buying global.

Nopoke

I also hear that Nintendo are reaching for their lawyers locally and trying to get Customs to block all grey imports. I have no idea how customs will view this. I doubt that they see their role as being to prop up corporate decisions on staggered market release dates.

LOL I wish them good luck, they will fail to block legal import (which it is).

 

[evil psyduck]

What is scalling? I fail to translate the word and it seems to be important before I reply.

It means they are not ordering as much as they normally do.

 

[HornetsBasketballFan]

That's stupid. The point of world champs is to be good at the game. If they change up all the rules, the best players will obviously adapt and survive. That's the point of being the best is being able to prove it. Personally, i'm sick of lousy net-deckers winning all the time at worlds, not that this'll tottaly kill that, but, it'll at least shake it up. I say bring on the new rules, don't be a bunch of whiners, if you're good, prove it, and adapt to changes dealt. That's my 2 cents.

Lousy net-deckers?

ok...

04 Yamoto won with Magma....Definalty not net deck.
05 Jermey won with Queendom..Never thought of before....Definatly didnt net deck.
06 Ness won with Mewtric...Not widely played(atleast i dont think) Definalty not Net Deck..

So uh, where are the lusy net deckers that won worlds?

 

[bulbasnore]

EX Epic Collection is EX Power Keepers.

Maybe not. Looks like another RS-on sweeper. I hope it will be spiced with a few of the misc Delta Species cards and reprints.

I don't understand this. Quarter 3 = Summer = August aka Diamond and Pearl is released at Worlds as Pre Releases, as usual. Sounds to me like USA gets this reprint set after Regionals, before Battle Roads. What exactly is the complaining about?

Touché! If this is the scenario, I think there will be fewer complaints, mostly from those anxious for localized D/P cards.

It all seems very logical to me, because you don't expect a rule change (because of D/P) only a few months before Worlds. Introducing D/P after Worlds makes much more sense.

I do however doubt that US will get there D/P before Europe (no logic in that). Maybe some part of the German message may be a misinterpretation of the English message they got.

No prerelease for this set? I doubt that too...

Yes. Very logical as to the order. I will say several folks, incl. Flaming Spinach speculated D/P would be delayed til worlds because of the force of this logic.

Pre-releases are already taking a hit; I could see taking a break to regroup or lessen the budget impact this year if it was a FULL reprint set (which PK was not).

EPIC Collection :: Legendary Collection?

Maybe someone can help me out with one question, for those who are up on these things, what evidence did we have that D/P cards would be the next English release after PK?

 

[Lawman]

Kim & others: I speculated on the Prof. forums that we may not get D/P until Worlds. When exactly are we supposed to have a PR in the midst of Regionals (late April 2 wks), Battle Roads (May) (hundreds of these according to the op website...are these like CCs?? I think they will be) and then Nats in July.

I know that PTOs run many leagues. If we squeeze a PR in before Nats, what will happen to weekend leagues???? I know that our league suffers some during tourney season.

Keith

 

[Rulemaster]

so the next USA set is NOT d/p??

 

[Rainbowgym]

Maybe someone can help me out with one question, for those who are up on these things, what evidence did we have that D/P cards would be the next English release after PK?

The word of 2 independent (from each other) involved people.
The way I got that information did absolute convince me both people were correct about D/P being the set released end april/start may.

For me there was no reason to try a 3th source.
That's why I THINK (if this latest news is correct), it is a mandated decission done not to long ago and not one POP is happy about.

With 2 or 3 questions I might get to know more, but I really have no need to do such.
Meaby tomorrow we will get a respons from POP, that's the best source.

 

[IvesRountree]

I have noticed everyone has failed to notice a small detail, the communicate says that European players going to worlds will receive D/P product for reference and test, that means that, and please make sure you do get it, D/P will be legal for worlds, as for proof that D/P being th enext american expansion, its quite simple, go to any distributor page and search for the next pokemon expansion, its D/P.

It seems the European distribuors were also told this, and hence the communicate, and also this whole uneasyness, because they have been notified they wont carry D/P until august.

 

[Rainbowgym]

I have noticed everyone has failed to notice a small detail, the communicate says that European players going to worlds will receive D/P product for reference and test, that means that, and please make sure you do get it, D/P will be legal for worlds, as for proof that D/P being th enext american expansion, its quite simple, go to any distributor page and search for the next pokemon expansion, its D/P.

Ives, that's the first thing I tried yesterday at some international LD website, but I could not get anything out of it.

 

[lolganium]

in all fairness i know exactly what to do...


JUST WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!

you're worrying about something you dont know anything about, whats the point in making assumptions? none! just let the cookie crumble in its own time. stop bashing it with a stick.

whatever happens you cant control, so just live with whats going to happen.

 

[IvesRountree]

Well, lets just say that distributors on America have listed D/P as the next set, I dont have access to european distributors pages, so, I cant confirm, but the communicate pretty much says they wont, right?

Just read Lolganiums post, he is 100% right, as for me POP has all the faith in the world, they have given us enough reasons to trust their judgement, so I'll stand by their decisions.

 

[PokePop]

What is scalling? I fail to translate the word and it seems to be important before I reply.

Scaling back means making big cuts.
A scale model is a fraction of the size of the original.
Same type of thing.

 

[ukpokemonpro]

I am sure that Tego is correct in his assumption that this is an order from Nintendo to protect the sales of DP for the DS prior to the release of the DP TCG.

There will likely be a delay of some weeks if not months after the release of the DP DS game before the TCG is released. Since we know Aprill 22nd is US release date for DP on the DS then you can expect the DP TCG around the end of May and Europe will follow the same pattern with the DP TCG coming weeks/months after the video game release.

So I can't see Europe getting the DP TCG much before middle/end of August. Check out the news here that seems to confirm this. If July is the video game release date in Europe then August for the TCG seems very likely with the US getting the TCG end of May beginning of June.

So we'll get a 2 month(ish) lag again between the US and Europe and we have been here before - the result was lots of Grey Importing - You can be assured that POP and the Local Distributors have been vocal in expressing their thoughts to Nintendo - BUT at the end of the day Nintendo will protect their core product as they see fit.

We may not agree with this decision, POP and the Local Distributors very probably don't agree too, but they will be unable to comment outside of the discussions with Nintendo.

It is a shame that we do not see Nintendo gearing up for a truely global market, it is a shame that Nintendo look set to continue restrictions on a global trade of it's products. But it is their decision to make and we can only live with the consequences.

By scalling back on orders it looks like Local Distributors are already decided on one way they are going to deal with it... It will be interesting seeing how we get back to one global pre-release shedule after this without the benefit of the big reset button we got follow the WotC/POP switch over last time.

THE MESSAGE IS CLEAR DO NOT BLAME POP FOR THIS ONE!

 

[Ice'Cold]

I still think it will be interesting how if DP IS legal for worlds (which from what I've read here it likely will be) how the cross rule changes are going to work between older sets and D/P. Seems like the Euro LD's will have a lot of power decision making wise. I wouldn't be surprised if the participants of worlds are given a lot of non english/japanese product in their bags.

 

[Scizor]

Pokebeach is not a distributor. You're all nuts, we're not getting DP before Worlds (and if we were, it's not legal).

 

[JandPDS]

What is that based on?

You're not trying to make him sound like he doesn't know what he's talking about?:smile:
I couldn't point you to a specific post, but I think POP has made it clear on the forums that non-OP sales are significantly greater than OP sales. The organization that controls POP has its own goals, and sometimes POP is at the end of its line of priorities.

EDIT: Give me Exeggcutor [RG]!

I dont understand how that is broken down. What sales are non-OP sales and what are OP sales?

If I buy Cards at a prerelese is that OP, but when I buy them at Wallmart, Target or Toys-R-Us is that
sale then non-OP. And what about Card Shop purchases are they OP or non-OP sales?

 

[Marcello-Milord]

OP sales are sales generated by OP-involved customers (aka "players").
Non-OP sales are sales generated by non-OP-involved customers (aka "kids").
And you may understand that "players" are way less than "kids".

HTH

 

[JandPDS]

but still

OP sales are sales generated by OP-involved customers (aka "players").
Non-OP sales are sales generated by non-OP-involved customers (aka "kids").
And you may understand that "players" are way less than "kids".

HTH

Thats my point when I buy a pack at Target I don't sign a papers stateing that I am or am not a player in organized play.
So how do they determine if my purchase is for OP nor non-OP purposes?

 

[Rainbowgym]

Thats my point when I buy a pack at Target I don't sign a papers stateing that I am or am not a player in organized play.
So how do they determine if my purchase is for OP nor non-OP purposes?

They can't.
Like they can't "label" the amount of product in the grey circuit.
Meaby they will get a better insight when the release of D/P and Epic really will be at the same time.
But still no way to get good numbers in regards if sales are done by OP of NON OP customers.

Example,

If I buy 10 boxes of PK, I have to go to a USA distributor (ours doesn't want to sell to me)
Any average USA distributor sales is not counted as being OP sales.
But what if those boxes are used to draft and cards are used to play tournaments?

All POP or PUI can use as numbers is the "first line" they sell to, when it left their warehouses they have no view on what "public" destination the product has.