Va Tech Shooting
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ryanvergel
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Thank God there aren't more people who think like you around, otherwise we'd be in the dark ages fighting in the Middle East over Holy Wars that were really about spice trading. You're a sad state of affairs if you think that forcing your beliefs upon people is:
1. Going to make them change
2. What Jesus would have wanted
3. The best thing for this country
When someone can prove to me that there is a God, then I will accept the need to have "His Word" in state-affiliated buildings. Until then, He is simply some abstraction (and distraction) that need not interfere with the conducting of this country. "Keep GOD out of California!"-A certain movie. I say we extend it to "Keep GOD out of the US!"
Let people live as they see fit: Don't let the government have any influence over your beliefs. Above ALL else, listen to the Constitution, which states that Congress shall not pass a law respecting an establishment of religion. Therefore, it would be unconstitutional to put God in anything. If you don't like the Constitution... well, then you might not want to live here, because it isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Oh, and when I mentioned "your radical changes", passing a law to respect Christianity is one of them. When you want to pass a law that goes against the Constitution, I consider it radical.
SuperWooper
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You don't have much experience dealing with non-Christians, do you? As much as it is in your power, live at peace with all men - that's in the bible. You're not building anyone up with your comments, and if you would take the time to really read the responses you're getting, you would know that. You're beating the people of this thread over the head with your comments. People need to hear the truth, but there are less obtrusive ways to deliver it to them than this.
Before you try to snipe at me for not being just like you, let me say that I'm a Christian. I guess you're one too, judging by the content of your posts in this thread. But the kind of stuff-it-down-your-throat fanatics that 'Mom is constantly whining about - you're toeing the line. You've taken a topic and assisted in steering it completely off course, and have belittled other members of this board in at least two instances. Intellectuals (this thread will be full of them after the comments you've made) live to nail people on their hypocrisy, and you're walking around with a gigantic cartoon target on your back.
Back on topic: the Tech shooting has shaken a lot of people in my high school. I live in northern Virginia, and Tech is the college of choice for many of my classmates. Hopefully security will be bolstered after this tradgedy and those who attend Tech next year, especially those that I know, will be safe there.
Yes, let's get back on topic.
I don't think VA Tech needs to worry too much about increasing security.
Unfortunately, it's the kind of tragedy that could have happened almost anywhere.
It just happened to be where Cho was when he went off the deep end.
Not to say the school and police authorities couldn't have handled things differently. The could have.
But I'm just saying it was not a problem with VA Tech specifically.
I don't think VA Tech needs to worry too much about increasing security.
Unfortunately, it's the kind of tragedy that could have happened almost anywhere.
It just happened to be where Cho was when he went off the deep end.
Not to say the school and police authorities couldn't have handled things differently. The could have.
But I'm just saying it was not a problem with VA Tech specifically.
SuperWooper
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You're absolutely right in saying that it could have happened anywhere - but a few people I know whose first choice was Tech were pretty freaked out by this whole thing. In light of the fact that some people would inevitably react that way, I think VT will probably do something to reassure them.
they might do 'something'...but ultimately how effective would it be?
unless we're willing to make VATech and every other school and public place an armed fortress...in essence, curtailing the liberty of 99.9% of people in the hope of stopping that one madman....is that any way to live? much like what's been done in the name of 'homeland security': haven't the 'terrorists' WON if they can impact 'normal' life so much?
look at flying domestically: 2 hours minimum early check-in, pages upon pages of what one can and cannot bring with them, locks cut off checked suitcases so they can be [del]looted[/del] 'searched', etc. etc. where does it get to the point where it's too much intrusion in the name of 'security'?
'mom
unless we're willing to make VATech and every other school and public place an armed fortress...in essence, curtailing the liberty of 99.9% of people in the hope of stopping that one madman....is that any way to live? much like what's been done in the name of 'homeland security': haven't the 'terrorists' WON if they can impact 'normal' life so much?
look at flying domestically: 2 hours minimum early check-in, pages upon pages of what one can and cannot bring with them, locks cut off checked suitcases so they can be [del]looted[/del] 'searched', etc. etc. where does it get to the point where it's too much intrusion in the name of 'security'?
'mom
I think I'm glad I missed this argument. He wasn't even wearing a "giant cartoon target" on his back... he was bleeding in the water, and I'm the shark. I was simply in other waters this time.
On topic, though, no, security doesn't matter past a certain point. Clearly, there have to be measures taken to prevent violence from happening, but these can't be the only thing people rely on. A school shooter doesn't have to display any outward signs of wanting to shoot the place up until he actually brings a gun onto the premises and starts ventilating people.
There needs to be more focus on helping people properly before they get to that point. Cho clearly wasn't given the right help, after all.
On topic, though, no, security doesn't matter past a certain point. Clearly, there have to be measures taken to prevent violence from happening, but these can't be the only thing people rely on. A school shooter doesn't have to display any outward signs of wanting to shoot the place up until he actually brings a gun onto the premises and starts ventilating people.
There needs to be more focus on helping people properly before they get to that point. Cho clearly wasn't given the right help, after all.
ryanvergel
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Treat the disease, not the symptoms!
Making it more difficult to carry a gun or whatever isn't going to stop violence. Eliminating the want or desire for violence, or at least making violence less desirable is the only legitimate method to decrease violence.
I just think it's weird that I've heard people say "Now I'm DEFINITELY not applying to VT!" If anything, wouldn't a school that just had a tragedy be one of the LEAST likely places to have another shooting? I would feel safer at VT than at FSU...
The problem is, identifying the people who truly need help and getting it to them before they start shooting people takes effort. It's easier/cheaper to just build some "security" measures that don't do much good to keep people comfortably numb to the idea that they're no safer from a madman bringing in a gun and opening fire than they were before, dehumanizing the shooters in the process, than to try and get help to troubled human beings when they need it. That, and it's easy to placate the masses that way.
Maybe I'm just overly cynical.
Maybe I'm just overly cynical.
ninetales1234
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Yeah, kind of sounds like gambler's fallacy.
It reminds me of what happened after the 9-11 terrorist attacks. Many people were afraid of getting on airplanes, as though the probability of an airplane-based terrorist attack increased after September 11.:nonono: